Mahmoud Khalil ARRESTED: Free Speech VS National Security

0:00 I don't want America to be turned into Syria I don't if you want to turn America into the Middle East please stay there you already have it hey there friends fans and foes of dad Saves America John paa here and I wanted to take this Friday to talk about an issue that's in the news that's at the intersection of a lot of things we talk about on this channel Free Speech American values and how to think about

0:26 them how to defend them especially at the extreme edges and that is especially difficult when it comes to the case of Mahmud Khalil supporters and legal Advocates outside a Manhattan Courthouse rallying for the release of a pro Palestinian activist this after a hearing just ended over his potential deportation we're talking about this man mmud Khalil a legal us resident with a green card who protested against Israel's war in Gaza at Columbia

0:58 University now immigration agent arrested khil over the weekend and sent him to a Detention Center in Louisiana that arrest is sparking demonstrations in many parts of the country today so before we get into the details of what the Trump Administration is trying to do and why I want to get you up to speed on as best I can who Mr Khalil is what he's participated in and why he would come under this kind of scrutiny and

1:27 potential deportation as a green card card holder move move Pro Palestinian protesters clashing with the NYPD at bonard College officers would riot gear holding the line forcing the group off campus cops say they responded to a bomb threat at the milstein center it's here where demonstrators took over the building for several hours demanding that college reinstate students who were recently disciplined this is at the Bernard College which is a part of Columbia University an all female part and

1:58 there's a lot of takes on the Middle East conflict but one thing that I find continually bizarre is that young women of all people have come to the side of the Palestinians the side in the conflict fundamentally who are the harshest on women's rights and I'm not just talking about the Palestinian territories but the Islamic World more generally it is weird to see all these young mostly American college young women dressing up like inata Fighters

2:29 it's not a great strategy for wanting to win the American public to your cause let me just tell you that right now and as a parent my daughter went off to college and was dressing like like a terrorist I would immediately pull her out of the school or cut the funding but let's not get ahead of ourselves the sit in relaunched after the administration and the words of the demonstrators sabotage negotiations and lock down campus last

2:58 week let's go this all stems after multiple Barnard students faced disciplinary action for breaking into Hamilton Hall at Columbia University last year Barnard expelled one student and suspended the other according to our Pro Palestinian group at Colombia you're arresting us instead that same group claims Barnard expelled two other students for disrupting a history of modern Israel class Barnard's president called protesters Mass disruptors who interfere with classes adding those actions cannot be tolerated this was

3:29 inside building called milstein center it's the library sort of a student center on the campus of Barnard where a group of pro Palestinian protesters had had entered and had taken over the place again with the I do think that honestly so much of this on the college campuses is a party I mean literally a party and here is our man this is recent mmud so what's going on here is he just

4:01 part of the group why is he getting targeted the reason he is being targeted is because he has actually been a lead participant a negotiator a frontman for a group of students called the Columbia United aparti divest basically they have a list of Demands which I'll get to but he has been a leading role in this movement since the response to the 107 attacks in in Israel uh in 2023 this hasn't merely been um peaceful

4:31 protesting and assembly it has gotten into a wider range of activities and behaviors including destruction of property and um disruption of the actual schools operation Pro Palestinian demonstrators doubled down on the University by midaf afternoon dozens of students were gathered outside Hamilton Hall determined to block any attempt by the administration to reclaim the building our demands are divestment closure and amnesty the university hasn't been adequately addressing those demands

5:03 instead proposing further discipline it happened in the middle of the night protesters smashed windows and stormed the building they barricaded themselves inside using locks and Furniture after allowing three University staffers to leave no one was injured our man has been at the center of this he has been a leader in it and he's also been associated let's say as part of this group with some pretty nasty

5:34 characters tonight colia has banned a student protest leader kamani James from its campus after comments he made online about Jewish people the video was taken back in January it surfaced earlier this week and reveals James said that zionists don't deserve to live he released a statement saying what he said was wrong but it was edited without context zionists don't deserve to live kammani James is one of the student or organizers of Colombia's encampment and has been negotiating with school leaders

6:04 but a resurfaced live stream they posted earlier this year shows James using disturbing language be grateful that I'm not just going out and murdering zionists yeah that's the stuff that's that's um be grateful I'm not going out and killing all the Jews that's what's going on uh and again that's that guy that was saying that is right there behind khil who is standing forward to speak on behalf of this group so what is

6:36 this group actually all about is it simply about the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians which is a bloody tragedy and a disaster and I actually don't think should be thought of as the centerpiece of this issue even though it feels like it is okay what is this group actually saying what do they want what do they believe is it simply about peace for the people of Gaza and an end to conflict and the death and

7:07 murder and horrible nature of War itself war is awful what's happening to the innocent people of Gaza is horrible as well as to the innocent Israelis all of that's horrible War sucks if you're just anti-war I can be with you but that's not all they believe and they actually wrote a kind of Manifesto last year and so I pulled it up up and read it and I want to just read an excerpt because it gives you a window into what this is

7:34 really all about and why the composition of the protesters is exactly what you'd expect it is if you've been paying attention to our politics for the past several years and for that matter decade we are committed to creating a multigenerational intersectional and accessible space dedicated to fighting for abolition transnational feminism yep you hear that yep Islam transnational feminism I know all about that one that's a real thing that's not completely made up anti- capitalism

8:06 decolonization and also to combating anti-blackness queer phobia again maybe you should take this to uh Iran instead of the United States where our biggest banks fly queer Flags every June islamophobia and anti-Semitism we keep each other safe we do not believe that prisons police profit over people militarism War colonialism or imperialism Will Keep Us Safe we reject the United States migration and Customs enforcement agencies weaponization of the United States racist immigration laws to prevent our International

8:35 comrades giving away the game there and peers from speaking up we believe in the right of self-determination land back and the right of return from Palestine to Turtle Island so what does that all mean what does that word salad of woke gobbly actually mean well in an Instagram post that's gone viral uh and I had to basically get off Twitter because I think it was was deleted by the organization they were a little more pointed we are westerners fighting for

9:06 the total eradication of Western Civilization we stand in full solidarity with every movement of for Liberation in the global South and Liberation here is defined by the prior sentence our inata is an internationalist one we are fighting for nothing less than the liberation of all people we reject every genocidal eugenicist regime that seeks to undermine the personhood of the colonized as the fascism ingrained in the American Consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable we seek community and instruction from militants

9:36 in the global South who have been on the front lines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order and then a by blob cholbe Revolution must continue this is the group this is the organization that this relatively recent immigrant to the United States who went to our most prestigious universities and has been a front for has been a leading voice for this is what at least in

10:06 association he and his friends are about let me just say this when it comes to eradicating Western civilization I don't want that I like Western Civilization I think that the founding principles of Western Civilization are good and I also think they are the founding principles of the United States but I do understand or at least I can put myself in Mr khalil's shoes and others like him if you grew up in the Middle East in the past 100 years you

10:38 are looking at who's dropping bombs on your region you are and you're looking at Western Powers playing proxy wars and various other foreign policy strategery and saying I don't like this I don't like watching people die in my community as an individual I get it if you look at the history of America and our role in the Middle East it is fraught to say the least we funded the

11:08 mujahadin during the Cold War we helped to overthrow the uh democratically elected ruler of Iran Muhammad mosc in the 1950s and gave rise to well frankly the Sha and then the Ayatollah keni this has been acknowledged this is a fact we have played both sides in Iran vers versus Iraq funding both and then subsequently invaded and overthrew the guy that used to be our Ally we are a mess when it comes to what

11:40 we've done in the Middle East and we have obviously picked a very strong side with Israel versus the West Bank in Gaza I am more sympathetic to Israel on this but I understand that if you are Palestinian you think we are the great Satan I get it you can can argue whether any one or all of that has been sort of net good or net bad for the foreign policy interest of the United States but if you're just an individual living in

12:10 one of these countries not participating in global politics and just seeing what's happening wanting to eradicate the people doing this can at least be understood it can be made sense of and I think that those of us that want to um be critical of the movement that Mr khil is a part of need to recognize that need to take responsibility for the fact that that is part of the story here that doesn't mean that if you're a let's say

12:38 Greenwich Connecticut born Elite going to Colombia who just wants to feel good and be part of some social justice movement that you are justified in throwing your lot in with what is ultimately a kind of radical totalitarian ideology that ain't right that's not good and that why I do believe fundamentally that what Mr khil is allying with is bad and I also want to say that the fact that the United States

13:09 has been playing foreign policy games in the Middle East and around the world doesn't mean that no one in the Middle East or anywhere else has lost all responsibility for their own countries This is complicated stuff I am neither in the blame America last or blame America First camp it's complicated so now yet know what's been going on what is the Trump Administration seeking to do well we can

13:40 start with President Trump whose truth social post as usual was um not subtle following my previous signed executive orders ice proudly apprehended and detained Mahmud Khalil a radical foreign pramas student on the campus of Columbia University this is the first arrest of many to come we know there are more students at Columbia and other universities across the country who have engaged in pro-terrorist anti-semitic anti-American activity and the Trump Administration will not tolerate it many are not students they

14:06 are paid agitators we will find apprehend and Deport these terrorist sympathizers from our country never to return again if you support terrorism including the slaughtering of innocent men women and children your presence is contrary to our national and foreign policy interests and you are not welcome here we expect every one of America's colleges and universities to comply thank you this is the world we're in where these things are entirely adjudicated in public in in posts like

14:30 this one thing I think is fundamentally upsetting about this for me is that he is a green card colder and he does deserve due process of law and I think the president by pushing this kind of language out to some extent automatically starts to damage that a little bit he's suing the waters but I understand I understand where he's coming from and he and his uh cabinet have further

15:01 articulated in different ways where they're coming from I think Marco Rubio actually has made perhaps the strongest argument when you come to the United States as a visitor which is what a Visa is which is how this individual entered this country on a as a visitor's visa okay you are here as a visitor we can deny you that Visa we can deny you that if you tell us when you apply hi I'm trying to get into the United States on

15:20 a student visa I am a big supporter of Hamas a murderous barbaric group that kidnaps children that teenage girls that takes hostages that allows them to die in captivity that returns more bodies than live hostages if you tell us that you are in favor of a group like this and if you tell us when you apply for your visa and by the way I intend to come to your country as a student and rile up all kinds of anti-jewish student

15:40 anti-semitic activities I intend to shut down your universities if you told us all these things when you applied for a Visa we would deny your Visa I hope we would he is correct about this and I'm going to get to the actual paperwork you have to fill out to both become a green card holder and to naturalize and let me just give you a preview uh you'll get denied if you answer yes to a bunch of

16:00 questions that might surprise you if you actually end up doing that once you're in this country on such a Visa we will revoke it and if you end up having a green card not citizenship but a green card as a result of that Visa while you're here in those activities we're going to kick you out it's as simple as that this is not about Free Speech this is about people that don't have a right to be in the United States to begin with

16:17 no one has a right to a student visa no one has a right to a green card by the way so when you apply for student visa or any Visa that enter the United States we have a right to deny you for virtually any reason but I think being a supporter of Hamas and coming into to our universities and turning them upside down and being complicit in what are clearly crimes of vandalization complicit in shutting down learning

16:35 institutions there are kids at these schools that can't go to class you pay all this money to these high pric schools that are supposed to be of great esteem and you can't even go to class you're afraid to go to class because these lunatics are running around with covers on their face screaming terrifying things if you told us that's what you intended to do when you came to America we would have never let you in and if you and if you do it once you get

16:52 in we're going to revoke it and kick you out this is probably close to the strongest argument that the Administration has made publicly it is noteworthy that the Hamas support gets targeted first and foremost Hamas Palestinian and that gets conflated as well is Mr khil a supporter of Hamas or is he a supporter of the Palestinian people's cause he was actually born in Syria he's an Algerian Citizen and he has a US green card but he is of

17:23 Palestinian descent so it's understandable why he would be motivated to advocate for Palestinians I get that that is protected speech in the United States and I think that if that was all he was doing this would be an easy argument for me if all he was doing was saying I want to bring about an end to the war in Gaza I want to advocate for the Palestinian people that would be one

17:54 thing but it's more complicated than that as I've already pointed out just to be clear when it comes to the Palestinians versus Hamas the organization that Mr khil has been a frontman for made it pretty explicit this is from The Wall Street Journal in October 2024 quad formalized its support for Hamas and again celebrated the October 7th 2023 massacre in a statement revoking an apology the group had made for the remarks of member kamani James that's the gentleman that was saying he

18:23 could barely contain his desire to murder people that zionists don't deserve to live the group said that an apology didn't represent quad's values or political lines the group added we support Liberation by any means necessary including armed resistance so I don't know how many more actions this organization has to take to declare itself fundamentally an enemy of the United States and the entire West they have said as much literally so we're not just talking about Middle Eastern

18:51 politics and protest here there is a bigger picture all right so here's Tom hman from the administration making let's just say a weaker argument we consider him a national security threat when you're on campus and they say and I hear freedom of speech freedom of speech freedom of speech can you stand in the movie theater and yell fire can you slander somebody verbally Free Speech has limitations but when you go to college campus you in sight protesting

19:16 and locking down taking over buildings and and damaging property and handing out leaflets for Hamas who is a terrorist organization coming to this country either on a Visa or becoming a resident Al is a great privilege but there are rules associated with that you might be able to get away with that stuff from the last Administration but you won't under this Administration so much more dismissive of the Free Speech rights of a green card holder and I think that is

19:43 rightly worrisome what's the opposing perspective here well let's start with the um defense attorney for Mr khil Mr khalil's detention has nothing to do with security it is only about repression United States govern government has taken the position that it can arrest detain and seek to deport a lawful permanent resident exclusively because of his peaceful constitutionally protected activism in this case activism in support of Palestinian human rights and an end to the genocide in Gaza now

20:16 again he his organization at least has made far broader arguments than that the the government takes the position that because the Secretary of State finds his descent uh unacceptable or contrary to US foreign policy he can be deported as romsey suggested it's largely unprecedented save for ugly historical precedents including the Red Scare and McCarthyism that's what we're talking about so fundamentally he saying it's unprecedented but what he didn't say is

20:47 that it's actually unlawful that's an important thing to note in in the way he's describing what's going on here um there are plenty of other advocates for Mr khalil's Case including somebody I I deeply respect Glenn Greenwald who I think has been among the most staunched Defenders of freedom of speech um across the board in in very nonpartisan ways I'm not sure where I stand here today Glenn but I know you look at this and you think many

21:13 on the right have all of a sudden abandoned their defense of free speech oh there's no question that they have I mean this is what happens when you're actually a principled free speech Advocate instead of one who only objects to censorship when it's your political allies who are being targeted which is that a lot of people say they believe in free speech except when it comes to the ideas they most hate which they want silence I just want to say this point

21:39 he's making here is really profound it is almost the most profound point about this issue free speech is never actually really all that popular it is always an extremely minority position to be uh truly principled and as dieh hard Glenn is when it comes to free speech there is always a breaking point for just about everyone in which suddenly that speech is not okay and maybe I'm guilty of this too let's find out I just want to make

22:11 one crucial point which is you had said people on the far left like rashed to leave believe that legal residents in the United States have the right of free speech that is an indisputable proposition that the Supreme Court has for 200 years affirmed and just imagine if that weren't the case What Glenn is saying here is that freedom of speech rights and essentially no consequences for First Amendment exercise is unequivocally the law of the land through all Court precedent and this is

22:40 where I think Glenn in my attempts to try to understand this is maybe overplaying his hand when it comes to Legal residents and non-citizens mean that if say like Jordan Peterson who's not an American citizen but is always in the United States were to go and denounce the Biden White House the Biden White House could arrest him and Deport him and nobody could object on on constitutional grounds because he's a foreigner of course people legally United States have the right of free

23:08 speech and we don't want to create any kind of a framework especially on college campuses as the American right has been saying where because of the argument that minority groups are endangered by certain views black people or trans people or whatever we have to censor those views in order to create a safe environment and that's exactly what so many americ conservatives out of great loyal to Israel are now doing I think there's a lot of elements of Truth

23:33 in what he just said including the notion that one of the fundamental problems is the sense of safety on the part of students by speech this is a dangerous slippery slope and the arguments in favor of feeling safe because of feelings by speech are not tenable I do not support that you might be made uncomfortable by a large protest against an ISS issue you care about that's part of living in a free Society that's that's what it means

24:04 to live in America with our uniquely well-protected though not perfectly so freedom of speech rights for American citizens and that's where the argument here starts to get more difficult another example of arguments made is from our friends at fire this is probably the leading organization in favor of free speech and defending it especially on College campuses they've made a public statement about this case and I just want to read one excerpt that I think is most operable there are

24:35 millions of people lawfully present in the United States without citizenship the administration's actions will cause them to self censor rather than risk government retaliation this is the fundamental cost that fire is worried about that this these actions will create a chilling effect a kind of maist cultural chill lawful permanent residents and students on visas will fear a knock on the door simply for speaking their minds so one question we

25:07 have to ask ourselves is is that okay seriously if you're here as a could be American do we as Citizens want you to feel any reservation about advocating for the eradication of Western Civilization which which would would eradicate the United States itself we are a very fundamental you could say we are Peak Western Civilization our Constitution which is the thing that governs what we are as a nation we're

25:39 not just a geography we're a constitutional republic if you want to eradicate Western Civilization maybe I want your speech to be chilled if you're not a citizen if you're coming here to mess around uh this is where it gets hard for me and I'm not I'm not sure I can leave you with an answer but let me dig into some of the parts of this that the strongest advocates for free speech I think are somewhat misrepresenting let's start with green

26:09 cards what is that that is fundamentally could be permanent legal residency but it is not citizenship you are still considered technically an alien as a green card holder and so it turns out number one that in applying for your green card you have to actually answer a couple of questions and some of them I think might be a little bit awkward for Mr khil and people like

26:41 him so let's look specifically here on page 16 security related questions have you engaged in any activity whose purpose includes opposing controlling or overthrowing the US government by force violence or other unlawful means while in the United States this would have to be proved but it certainly seems like Mr khalil's organization would have to check yes down at number 45 do you intend to engage in any activity that

27:12 could endanger the welfare safety or security of the United States this is a a bigger stretch like what can one man do but maybe eradicate the West maybe going on to the next page number 52 have you ever been a member of or in any way affiliated with the Communist party or any totalitarian party in the United States or abroad I

27:43 would say that Hamas is a totalitarian party it is a totalitarian regime that is how it treats its people that is one of the great tragedies of this entire thing when it comes to the Middle East and Gaza is that the actually peaceful people of Gaza have been living under a totalitarian military regime that also enriches itself and lives off in other lands accumulating billions of dollars while sending 18-year-olds to die but does he need to say yes to this I think

28:12 there's a chance he might would he have had to check these boxes um at the time he maybe filled out this form or is it only after the fact as Marco Rubio pointed out that suddenly now he has to check all these all these scary boxes because of the stuff he's done since he's got here I I don't know I don't know his whole past one thing we do know though is that he believed that he might

28:35 be on Shaky Ground according to the Wall Street Journal Mr khil understood his legal risks in October 2024 he said quote I am here on a foreign Visa that's why for the past 6 months I've barely appeared on the media he told the BBC that Colombia briefly suspended him in April 2024 but quickly reversed itself which allowed him to retain his student visa mmud understood that he was on sh shy ground for his legal status if he

29:01 very publicly said what he believed and put his face out there in the world one of the aspects of law is do you know what the law is and at least in this instance he appeared to know so how else should we understand what's going on here when you go to the USCIS website and look at the Green Card Pages you will find that there are both rights and responsibilities specific to green card holders I want to point out a couple in

29:31 particular that speak to where secretary Rubio is going and why the arguments that there's an open and shut case in favor of khil being free to do what he's been doing isn't crystal clear number one you know you have the right to live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any acts that would make you removable under immigration law this is probably the most important part you are indeed

30:03 protected by all laws of the United States your state residents and your local jurisdiction so the notion that he is protected by the Constitutional framework is mostly true but with the Proviso that you have to layer in immigration law because they are an immigrant not a citizen one other piece you are expected to support the Democratic form of government that's an important one our law our Founders our immigration law for the entirety of the country has understood we want people

30:37 who will keep the country the kind of free constitutional Western liberal Democratic capitalist society that it was meant to be that it is designed to be and if you're not you're in trouble where might he get in trouble with immigration law this is one of the pieces of the puzzle that ties it all together there are several sections of the Immigration Act that call out potential problems for Mr khil and people like him who are here as

31:07 non-citizens advocating for the destruction of the west or associating with groups that want that number one this is inadmissible aliens those who endorse or espouse terrorist activity or persuade others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization Hamas is indeed a terrorist organization I don't love the designation terrorist I think it is overly broad I think it can be defined

31:37 in ways that can get scary real quick and it's part of the sort of post 911 war on terror regime that I think has made America worse but this is the law another section an alien whose entry or proposed activities in the United States the secretary of state has reasonable ground to believe would have potential serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is inadmissible are these protests actually causing foreign policy problems or Consequences it's not crystal clear but

32:08 this is maybe the exact statute that Marco Rubio is calling out when he says that and finally and I think this is also part of the problem immigrant membership in a totalitarian party any immigrant who is or has been a member or affiliated with the communist or any other totalitarian party or subdivision or affiliate thereof domestic or foreign is inadmissible so his student group falls into this category the claim that there

32:40 is no grounds for the Secretary of State to utilize this power that the Congress has granted to deport this man and others like him is at least debatable does that mean I think we should Deport this guy and others like to be perfectly honest I don't know my inclination is no and the reason for that is I deeply fundamentally believe in our freedom of speech not just legal

33:11 protections but the culture of our freedom of speech the culture that we can tolerate strong peaceful words and protest words aren't violence silence isn't violence only violence is violence and so the notion that herty words should be disallowed including ones that make crazy claims well frankly I have a real hard time with that and the other piece of the puzzle that if you take that

33:43 seriously is the fact that frankly his views are more or less shared by a plurality of college professors who are citizens here in the US and I think that is actually the bigger problem I think Mr khil is a sympt of something far deeper and scarier and it may be strategic and and even justifiable to take a harder look at non-citizens in this regard that's why I'm not absolutely super confident that the right thing to do is to keep this guy

34:14 here the right thing to do might be to kick him out and this raises some fundamental first principles questions that I think we need to Grapple with because there's some things going on in our society that should trouble all of us as parents As Americans and one of them is demonstrated by the elite young people dressing up like terrorists and parading around our college campuses smashing stuff and that is our

34:45 institutions have become a kind of fifth column in our society what do I mean by that I mean that literally you will find his opinion more or less mirrored in a major majority of places around Academia and Beyond and I think what that has done that has played the maybe primary role in smashing pride in the country for Americans by Americans so several recent polls have pointed this out and they are worth

35:16 lingering on this one is from The Wall Street Journal that shows that patriotism from 1998 until the present has completely collapsed into the 30s for all adults um religion having children community involvement they've all collapsed the only thing that's gone up basically is greed which is not a great sign we're becoming a nihilistic hedonistic Society thumbs down but that's not all axios did a poll of a

35:46 poll similar and narrowed in on young people 18-34 and what they found is chilling and instructive so so what they found is that in 20133 85% of those aged 18 to 29 said they were extremely or very proud to be an American 2013 keep in mind that 2013 is in the aftermath of the Great Recession where the economy still sucked and the war on terror had already ground

36:16 on for so long that more or less every American felt that the Iraq War was a giant disaster and that our military Adventures were really turning sour so if the fact that 85% of our kids and young adults were proud or very proud of the country says something where is it today get ready 18% 18% of 18 to 34 year olds say they're proud or very proud to be an American I I mean what are we supposed

36:47 to do with that how are we going to fight and win a war if we really need to really win a real one that really matters we've launched a lot of wars that were a bad idea but it's it's not impossible that we might have to fight a real war and having less than 20% of our young people be proud of the country that sounds like the fall of civilization type of territory to me it also points to the collapse of the rest

37:12 of our institutions if you don't love the country and if you don't believe in the country and if you're not proud to be in the country I don't see how anything else Works money doesn't work without trust nothing does and I think this is the problem that we are facing in the modern world and in the West in particular there's a couple questions I want to leave you with to think about number one does a government have the

37:41 right to control who comes in and out of the country that it controls that is its jurisdiction does it have sovereignty I think everyone aside from my understandable libertarian anarchists would say yes it is sort of the definition of having a country our constitution fundamentally is about protecting we the people of the United States um to pursue life liberty and

38:12 happiness but it is for the people of the United States that is what it's for it's right there in the documents every country on this planet has a different form of government a different culture different Norms different rules here in the US we we like that because we call it federalism we have 50 states 50 Laboratories of democracy to choose from I moved from New Jersey to Texas for a whole host of reasons including lower taxes why isn't that also good for the

38:42 planet why isn't it good to have lots of different countries with different worldviews if you want Sharia law which is going to be incompatible with all that other stuff in the Goble blob of Kami nonsense that this organization and countless others on college campuses talk about where oh let's have queers for Palestine but please don't throw our queers off the roof in Palestine please don't do that you've got plenty of countries to choose from if that's the

39:07 regime you want to live under you want to be in Iran be my guest have a blast you want to go participate in the Reconstruction of Syria have at it you've got a lot of choice I don't want America to be turned into Syria I don't I don't want America to be turned into any part of the Middle East and some people do and I don't want those people here and and that's just the way it is

39:30 that's kind of where my gut is at the end of the day if you want to turn America into the Middle East please stay there you already have it and I think that is the challenge that we face in the west more broadly we have lost the plot on what we are we have lost the plot on the values that underpin the rights that we take for granted and therefore we set ourselves up for this Paradox where're people who don't like

39:57 like our rights who don't believe in them fundamentally are willing to use them against us and the slippery slope of reacting to that and becoming the thing we despise is very real but how we defend the rights we cherish when toleration of the enemies of them is part of it that's really really hard I don't know all I know is when I look across the pond to Europe

40:28 when I look at the censoriousness when I look at the cultural breakdown taking place when I look at the impacts of Islamic immigration frankly in countries in Europe and what it has done to those communities and the the crimes being committed and then covered up in places like the UK in the name of Tolerance and intersectional politics it gives me pause as much of a free speech Advocate as I am it gives me pause and so I

41:00 thought I'd leave us with a clip from a movie whose final speech I think was intended to be seen as an act of villainy but as I age I increasingly feel may be at least a little bit heroic deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall you need me be on that wall we use words like Honor Code

41:33 loyalty we use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something you use them as a punchline I have neither the time or the inclination to explain myself to a man who Rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very Freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it I would rather you just said Thank you and went on your way otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand

41:57 upon post either way I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to I hope this has been helpful it has been mostly a bunch of back and forth Nuance but that's what we're called to try to understand and I hope this can help you see where the arguments are here this is big important stuff it's really big important stuff for our kids because it is shaping their education and if we aren't paying attention to it we will

42:25 end up wishing that this guy was on the wall for us have a great weekend