Camp Jansen Coach, Nick Gloff

0:02 welcome to behind the muscle podcast today's guest is a coach at camp jansen today's guest is nick gloth nick welcome to the podcast thank you for having me it's good to be here for sure nick so i kind of like to kick start the podcast with all my guests by asking them a couple questions the first one i like to ask everybody is who are a few of your favorite bodybuilders of all time

0:34 favorite bodybuilders of all time i'm gonna say sitting in first yeah i don't know if i want to do it by number i'll just go in no particular order has to not hurt anyone's feelings or get anybody you know riled up dennis wolfe would be one of my absolute favorite physiques to have ever seen he was one of the first people when i was coming into it that i had ever seen was like wow

1:05 what is that then similarly jay cutler i've done quite a few podcasts with with you know high level coaches and ifbb pros and you're the first one

1:36 surprisingly that has brought up dennis wolfe i had a chance i went to the 2008 mr olympia got to see him pretty pretty up close and i know he was kind of in the air of jay cutler ronnie some some really heavy hitters but you're spot on dude like dennis wool's physique like it was like it was it was beautiful but it kind of had that freak factor too what was it kind of specifically about his physique

2:03 that you really appreciated nick it was really just the overall balance of everything just like you said it's like he had the freak factor of just being a huge body and having development pretty pretty evenly and symmetrical across pretty much everything aside for his calves which is the one thing that everyone always dug on but really from top to bottom he was very complete and he was just a huge freaky massive person and so he had the the

2:32 pretty look that you'd see in some of the smaller guys that couldn't get to that mass freak factor type of size but he also had the mass freak factor type of size so it was like just a beautiful balance of both that's really what i appreciated most about him excellent man i think too like he had the height right he was he's probably like what six one i think or something like that i believe so yeah

2:57 yeah and it's just like just like with arnold like i i personally have never been that big of a fan of arnold's physique i mean you gotta respect him because he's kind of like you know a pioneer and things like that in terms of bodybuilding but just with arnold alone i think that height whenever you have a very muscular individual that also has the height it's always going to be usually generally speaking more impressive than a shorter guy that that

3:22 has the muscle right so i think exactly what what we both kind of touched on plus the height he had that that x frame he had those really wide shoulders broad shoulders kind of like j color but he had the height and i think the height was kind of like that extra icing on the cake so to speak in terms of just that freak factor of of dennis wolfe but i that's awesome man like i said i've done quite a few of

3:44 these podcasts you're the first one to bring them up and and definitely definitely a very impressive physique the second question i kind of want to touch on here just to kind of start things off nick is at what age did you start lifting weights and then why did you start lifting weights at that age i started lifting weights when i was about 12. so i started lifting weights as an extension of what i was doing for sport

4:09 at the time and so when i was that young really the first sport that i took very seriously was football and in the process of me being able to play to begin with because there was a weight limit a weight cap on how how big you could be to be able to play in the little leagues of football i had quite a weight cut to make and so i wasn't really into weight training at all or like really doing all

4:33 that much aside from just playing outside with friends type thing up until that point but then as a necessity of me having to cut the weight and get down i had to start doing things outside of just the sport for me to be able to make it and with that introduction i had to do a lot a lot of work to be able to make that cut and part of that just just the intensity of what i had to do

4:56 it really it kind of sparked something in me that i didn't know was there that i really enjoyed just doing the hard work and after that point i found that i grew more and more into loving the hard work of like pushing myself rather than just the sports themselves that i was playing in and so that was the spark and that's what set it off and it was always just a personal love of mine for me to be able

5:20 to go and dig and find another new way for me to push something else further and so that's really where it started excellent man now i i want to kind of just take a step into your childhood if you don't mind obviously that question that that latter question kind of always leads us into the backstory which is important because that's kind of like you know the the gist of the name behind the muscles i kind of get past just the

5:50 sets and the reps and all the stuff that we see on social media that's kind of normal quote unquote for for bodybuilders and physique athletes kind of get into the backstory so if you don't mind sharing nick where did you grow up just you know what what state we're at in the united states did you grow up obviously already touched on football i'm assuming there was other sports that were a big part of your upbringing any siblings just kind of

6:12 paint that picture of your childhood a little bit up to high school and then kind of stop at high school and then we'll we'll transition from there sure so i grew up in a small town in western new york called fredonia it's about for anybody that knows the buffalo bills it's about an hour away from there from where they're centered at so that's the only way that anybody ever knows where fredonia is unless of course they were from new york

6:40 and went to college there and so that's where i'm from that's where i was born raised all the way up through all the way up until the end of high school and then i moved a couple hours away into college university at suny brockport is where i went to school and so peeling back childhood when i was a kid kid really i didn't do any sports that seriously i did the same thing that most people did at you know young age parents

7:10 kind of want you to dabble in everything and so i did the baseball thing i did some track i did you know soccer you know the whole thing i did wrestling too and wrestling is actually one that stuck with me and so i started wrestling before i started football but i didn't really ever take it that seriously and so those were really the sports that were being played by that point and then after when i was about 11 10 11

7:40 i ended up getting really sick so i ended up getting appendicitis which is fairly common but it ended up putting me into the hospital for a good long time and i had some complications with that and so with that when that did start on the day that it happened i was outside playing with friends and so in my young mind when that happened and it just progressively got worse and worse over the day and finally capped itself off by me having

8:09 to go to the hospital that night the association was unconsciously implanted into my head that physical activity led to pain and so there was a good year after that time where i did absolutely nothing after the recovery and everything it just i sat around did nothing with myself just played video games and was a couch potato and after that year as you would expect started gaining a lot of weight super inactive wasn't doing any sports

8:42 just kind of got along with with living the daily life that way up until the point where it got out of hand for me it got out of hand and even at that age i was kind of figuring like this isn't a good path for me to be going it's not where i was happy i didn't feel good in myself i wasn't really all that close with a ton of people at that time like a lot of like friends

9:05 and everything like that it wasn't i had a couple of key friends at that point but it was just kind of a social outcast and pretty much stayed that way for the majority of my growing years as an outcast later on by choice rather than by just the circumstance but going through that i actually had a good a good friend of mine that became a good friend that was just a guy that played on the football team that was in my

9:31 class in fifth grade all the way back and he was just a super nice dude his name was eric and he was one of the the jock kids that would usually not not talk to the the dorky fat kid in class that just laid out his hand and was like dude you got to come play you gotta come play i wanna see you do this and eventually like pushed me enough i was like all right fine

9:55 and so i did it and then that leads into the first story of how i got into training anyway so i started playing football went out to practice and i had about 20 30 pounds to lose for me to make that weight cut off and so i had to do that with some of the help of some of my friends that i had to make through that but mostly on my own to make it through with the guidance of

10:20 some coaches that were willing to help me and within that first year i started to gain some sort of a leadership role within that because of what i was able to do with it and actually became a starting player by the end of it within the first year when i was pretty much doubted even by the coaches that i was even going to make it to be able to play on the field by the way cut off

10:41 so that was a start of almost like a hero's journey of my own of being the underdog kid having nowhere to go nowhere to be was just not something that was in my wheelhouse and then bringing myself through just by pulling myself up figuring it out and digging in and getting myself to do the things that i know was going to be hard and damn near impossible by the way that it looked making it happen and then making an

11:07 example out of myself for anybody else i was going to follow behind me and even the people that were above and in front of me that didn't want to put in the work to be better started to pull in a little bit more respect from them and really become a leader in that right and so that translated over little by little in the confidence that i gained from that continued forward into the rest of the things that i did

11:28 from that point forward and i was still wrestling at the time and so i wrestled all the way through from when i was a kid kid all the way up to the end of high school i didn't do it in college and that was where my leadership role really took the most so i ended up by the end of it being one of the leading heavyweights for the team as we were a fairly good team and known

11:52 pretty well in the area but the leadership changes over the coaching had been had dropped off a little bit and the generations that we had as the key players that led us into the state rankings were dropping away so a little bit of the legacy was landing on just a handful of us to continue to carry on from being the people that were still there when that was going on and taking it further on ourselves brought up

12:18 a lot of work ethic in people that really didn't know that they even wanted to be on the map and that's something that has always stuck with me as something that i figured out by just chance being being placed in the position that i had to to figure out how to be a leader where i wasn't naturally that and as as a kid when i was around that age at about 12 my my parents actually had a very nasty

12:44 split up and i have an older sister and a younger brother my younger brother at the time was too young to really understand anything that was going on and my older sister is actually on the spectrum and so she couldn't really put it all together either and so i was at 12 the conduit between both parents to be the reasonable arbiter between two of them for communications and i was also having to act as a

13:17 stand-in like parental figure for my older sister and younger brother it had to be the voice of reason where pretty much nothing around me ever made any sense so at a very young age being just placed into the circumstances that i was and the things that i chose to be placed into the things that i didn't led me into the direction that i have followed through up until this point where i had to set myself apart

13:42 i had to figure out my own way and then while i'm figuring out my own way try to be the voice of reason and the guide to the people that are willing to and want the help from me to be brought up there too and so those types of values and those types of the lessons that i had to learn through all that process have guided me to where i am now and i have a lot to

14:06 a lot of my history to thank for exactly how how well i've been able to make it into the position i am today i love that man that's that's some that's some that's some real stuff real talk right there now let's what what do you what do you feel like you know going from kind of the the the kid that was at home playing video games being inactive you know overweight and all that to you know it

14:34 sounds like by the time you graduate from high school you're in this leadership role you you've gained this confidence you've got friends what i mean was that did it just did it just kind of happened because like when you're younger when we're at the age things happen so fast it's kind of hard to like and i don't think most of us even really know how to like take a step back and and reflect or anything right so i'm

14:57 assuming things happen so fast but now as an adult being able to look back i mean what i mean what what was it was it was that a hard transition for you going from kind of the video game overweight kid to you know being in the in the leadership role or did it happen so fast and just kind of unfolded that you just kind of stepped into it and went with it pretty much i had to just step right

15:22 into it there was no because of the the timing of everything that happened in my life then the choice of me to go and do that for myself happened at just about the same time that that a whole lot of life circumstances had changed and there were some other personal things that were happening alongside like the parents split up and everything so other things that i won't really talk about here but with all the circumstances that it

15:45 happened it was just all at once and so there was no opportunity for me to go and you know put on the hat so to speak and be the leader when i go out to the football field and then take it off and just be the kid again when i decided to it was this is just it now you have these things you need to do you need to be responsible for yourself you need to show yourself that you could be a leader

16:11 for your own right and then be able to guide everybody else with the calmness being able to carry everything on your own shoulders and be the example for how to continue to walk while you have that pressure and so there was no point that i could take that hat off i had to continue to be that example i had to show up in school and be the straight a student that i was even though i had to

16:32 struggle i i nearly failed first grade because i was just not not good at understanding math and just basic concepts and i had always even all the way through college i'd always struggled with school but i kept myself on a very very very very high standard for myself that i wasn't going to let that stop me and so everything about my development kind of led in the same direction altogether that if you're going to do anything

17:03 speaking pretty much to myself you're going to do anything you need to do everything and you need to do everything to such a good degree that nothing else can fall off if any one part of any of the system starts just drop there's no way of picking it back up there's going to be no leeway there can't be any second guesses it's this is the direction it goes and this is it and because it was largely things that i couldn't control

17:33 with some things that i could control as far as choices to partake in that role anyway it was a natural consequence of what i was going to do to then survive this and really make this happen was a non-choice and then the things that were by extension the things that i could have chosen to do or not to do they kind of got all lumped in together in the same mentality that was getting built into me that this is just the way

17:58 it is and you're going to do it actually yeah i i love it dude that's that's some some awesome stuff it's some beautiful stuff because like i guess the thing that's kind of coming to my mind nick when i'm listening to you share your your your your upbringing your your childhood your early adolescence is is life is the greatest teacher right and if we're open to it now again you're talking about a lot of circumstances and situations that

18:30 you had no control over and all that but yet still life is kind of presenting you with with with opportunities to learn and and you you kind of took it and ran with it and i think that's even now to this day as you know you being a a coach and you know i own a gym and there's all these different responsibilities in adulthood if we're willing to take them on but like if we're open like life is

18:53 gonna teach us so much and if we're open to learning man we can we can learn and learn and learn and then that's where we can then in turn have an opportunity to come on a podcast like you and share your story share your experiences share your insights and that's how we can really positively impact other people right so that's just kind of what's coming to my mind is like man like even though you had no control over a lot of these

19:16 unfoldings in your early life you still were were able to learn adapt and now you're able to to share that so so very powerful now i know from just doing a little bit of looking on your instagram just trying to study up a little bit before we had our conversation you have a bachelor's degree in exercise science as well as a bachelor's bachelor's degree in kinesiology so why don't you touch on college what was what was that

19:45 experience like did you go play sports there why don't you just unfold that a little bit sure so yeah i do have a double bachelor's exercise science in kinesiology and while i was getting those degrees i was also working in a biomechanics lab for a couple of years and so i have a bit of a background in that as well but in college to knock off the sports thing to start with i didn't do any sports in college

20:10 with the the progression of the way that things went for me in sports throughout middle school high school by the end of it i was only doing wrestling as my sport in high school and i had by that point already realized that the training is what i love to do and the wrestling was only enjoyable for me because of the fact that i was doing it with the people that i had grown through the sport with

20:35 and so going and continuing to do that in college especially knowing where i was going to college the the college of brockport is known very well for wrestling and the coach there had been actually the coach for all three of my coaches from high school and all of my coaches were in their 60s and so this guy that has been coaching at that college for all that time

21:05 he's very well known for being exactly the way he is and so everyone that goes into wrestling at brockport is owned by brockport wrestling every every breath you take is monitored and so that wasn't something that i wanted to do plus with my intention of doing the double bachelors right from the beginning i already knew that my time was going to be so limited and i had to pay my way through school and i had to cover my own costs because

21:34 my family didn't have very much and that's something i i started i started working when i was 12. so i had always worked and i still continued to have to for me to support myself and so with working then training being important and never letting that go and then having some semblance of a personal life and then doing all the academic work and taking on other responsibilities as it went like taking on coaching is a thing that i

21:58 started doing later on not really is something that i did for money to start with all of those things it was going to completely disallow me from doing a sport so i just cut it before i even showed up but college for me was a big learning experience and pretty much every way that it could have been possible to have one so there was the first two years of college were really really rough for me it wasn't

22:27 it wasn't a place that i really fit in with a ton of people i had my core group of friends that i was with all the time and i grew through college with them but even through like i said in the beginning of the whole podcast i was a bit of an outsider as a kid and continued to be a bit of an outsider all the way through school through high school and then i continued to be outside of that as well

22:50 for the entirety of really my whole my whole history i've been a bit of an outsider and through a lot of it it's been by my own choice and a lot of it by just the fact that i am so involved so involved in the things that i decide are important to me that i don't fall out of the same wavelength as most of the people that i ended up finding myself around where a lot of the things that were done

23:16 like my core friends in college they were in the same major as me doing a lot of the same classes at the same times and all that but the amount of care that was placed into what was getting done for those classes and how much extracurricular learning was getting done was like i had a podcast in my years every single time i wasn't doing something if i didn't have a podcast in my years i was reading a book

23:40 i didn't have a book in my hands i was doing the work i was supposed to be doing for classes if it wasn't that i was talking to somebody that knew more than me that could possibly like guide my thought process in the direction that was going to make me better at any of the things that i was trying to get better at at the time and so with that kind of intent that i had on

23:58 my everyday of how i was going to treat every day as an opportunity to try and get another leg up another step forward i really didn't have very many people around me that thought in the same way and so it kind of left me as a tangential part of all the friend groups that i had ever been a part of where i was always there and i always got along with everybody but it was more so like yeah he's just going to do what

24:24 he's going to do and he'll come back to us when he's got the time to come back to us is the type of way that that always was and so college for me was a lot of work and work and work and work and a lot of things that just like the main theme of pretty much everything i've done it's been self-inflicted self-imposed that i had to go as hard as i did just because i decided i was going to

24:47 and so i held everything that i did to a very high standard of work and by the end of it i got what i came there for by the end of it i had a lot of professors that either respected me or were very annoyed by me and i ended up coming out of it with a lot of a lot of lessons learned that i wouldn't have had if i didn't go but i can say definitely that a lot of

25:13 my my education formally helped me to build a foundation and a structure like just the base of what i use for me to build up on all the knowledge that i got outside of formal learning which is really what i work off of more now is a lot of extracurricular learning that didn't happen directly in the classroom or from a book that was given to me to read in college most of the things that i operate from

25:40 at this point have been from sources directly in the special sectors that i wanted to learn from and those things were things that i was learning all the way back then which leads into exactly why some of the professors i had didn't like me so much little conflicting views at times but that's that's pretty much what college was for me and during that time i mean this is a bodybuilding podcast i had not competed all the way through

26:09 that time i didn't in high school i didn't in college actually haven't yet i'm 23 years old right now i'm a year and a half removed from college and haven't made it to stage and so that has been in in progress for all this time looking for really i can blame myself quite a bit on it for the fact that i've been the guy that was like i'm not ready yet i'm not ready yet and push it off and push it off every

26:37 year and then i could say even to this day i'm not ready yet but i'm coming to be perfect now i i want to ask you said you you learned a lot of lessons in college can you narrow that down maybe to like what you would say now where you're at a part of camp jansen and and coaching and all that helping and empowering other people looking back on on college what what do you say is the biggest

27:08 takeaway or that that that one lesson that just stands out when i ask this question like hey this is something that i learned during those college years whether it was you know actually in class or outside of class but during that time span that man i'm just thankful i went to college and i had that experience and i learned that lesson what what would be that one lesson nick it would have nothing to do with the

27:30 things that i learned out of a book it would have to be that if you decide that you're gonna do something it's gonna get really really hard to do at some point and there's gonna be plenty enough things and plenty enough reasons that you can give yourself that are going to arise naturally on their own without you having to really explore them and find them they're just going to show up like a sign straight in front of your face and

27:52 you're gonna have to decide am i walking through this or am i getting hit by the sign and so through college like the biggest thing that i had to deal with is the time strain the time strain of juggling everything and keeping everything up to a high standard which is very hard to do especially with like i worked a night job and so i was getting very little sleep going to school very early in the morning and

28:16 holding up on all my professional capacities as much as i could at some point after four years of being completely sleep deprived and working as hard as you can in doing all the work that you needed to you get drained you get drained and then at no point does anyone give you a consolation and go it's okay you've worked hard you can sit down now it's no okay you've done this so far so here's more and it's always going to be like that no

28:42 matter no matter what it is that you're choosing to do if you're choosing to do something that is worthwhile there's going to be the point in time where you need to turn it up you need to turn it up and you need to be totally fine with the fact that you do whether or not you resent the fact that you have to work even harder than you ever have doesn't matter because if you if you made the choice to do it you're gonna

29:04 have to do it and you can take pride in the fact that you did afterwards it may suck for the time being but you'll make it to the end amen man the the suck is always worth it right going through that suck so training wise before we kind of get more into your coaching and and the professional side of things training wise have you kind of obviously when you're training in high school for sports and stuff that's a little bit

29:32 different but i'm talking about kind of like when you got to train the way that you wanted to train was that kind of more focused on hypertrophy and you know kind of more bodybuilding type stuff or what what did what what does your training look like for the most part when you got to choose how you wanted to train i got to choose how i wanted to train since since the jump aside from the sports training

29:59 but that led me through a lot of different phases and by the time that it was purely like i was in like once i was in college and i was just doing everything for what i wanted to do for training it was bodybuilding i had decided earlier in high school probably about freshman or sophomore year of high school that bodybuilding was the thing that was what i was going to do and that is what i cared the most about

30:26 and that's what i geared all my training towards once i got into a position that i could do that by itself and that was just the thing i was going to be doing something about my training though that's probably a little bit different than most people that are just pure into bodybuilding from the getup is i have always included a lot of strength-based work into what i do and i've built up a foundation of strength and leaned into my ability to

30:52 get strong pretty quickly which is something that i just have it's a genetic trait of mine i'd have to say at this point is that i can get strong pretty quickly and i've always leaned into my ability to do so and leverage that as something that i can use as a tool to heighten my ability to do the hypertrophy work for bodybuilding i've always found it fun to move big heavy things but moving big heavy things

31:16 to get you better at being able to move those big heavy things for more reps in patterns that are going to be more conducive to hypertrophy is always just a base thing that i've always done it's been an underlying current of all my programming since the very jump and up to this day i still do i still work on pushing on strength as an absolute value so that i can raise the standard of everything else that is done

31:44 and that has helped to i would have to say build more tissue on me than i would have done otherwise so you you mentioned that you you haven't up to this point competed because you don't feel like you're you're ready right what what is kind of the mindset for you or the the goal in terms of when you are going to compete like is do you feel like it's just that's just something maybe that you've got to work through personally in terms

32:13 of kind of like i'm not ready i'm not i'm not ready or is that like like a legit like okay i'm just i'm kind of going i'm trying to get to this point and then i'll compete like what do you think that is does that make sense that question yeah yeah of course it's been both at one time or another to begin with it was definitely like just a personal like insecurity type thing so i just i i'm

32:37 not i'm not ready to do that yet i have more work to do i don't want to embarrass myself type thing at this point it has a whole lot less to do about that because i could care less about all that i mean honestly someone's going to embarrass himself on stage it's not going to be a big issue if that's me it's fun total but for where i sit and with what i've been able to do with just dedicated to

32:59 training over the last couple of years i know that i can i can do fairly well and i can put on a whole lot more tissue than i do have right now and my goal at the end is to be a good open class bodybuilder a pro open bodybuilder and be you know belong there and so in my head strategically thinking more so about do i want to spend half of the year of every year going through a competition cycle of

33:30 going dieting for all that time not really making any forward progress and then having half of a year to make some progress and then having to cut the growing phase short over and over and over again in my prime years for putting on tissue where it's going to be the easiest for me to do is it really wise for me to decide that early on that i'm going to do repetitive cycles of doing a prep or is it going to

33:55 be better for me to dedicate as much possible time of these early years as possible to getting as much tissue as i can on my frame and then once breaking into the competitions i can start from a place that i don't have a really really long way to go before i can actually do year after year of competing and still make the incremental gains that i would to be in in actual competitive standing for where i am right now

34:25 i think i'm about at the place that i could i could do that not to do a year after year after year competition is likely not i'm not in the place that i could do that yet i don't have nearly the amount of tissue that i would need to for that to be a really valid approach but for where i am right now i could definitely do something that is representative of the work that's been done up to this point and it'll show me

34:49 just about where it is that i stand and up to this point i've worked into my potential for what i can look like and i have a representative physique at this point that i'm not as big as i'm i'm gonna be but i can see what i look like now and have a good idea of more size comes on what is that gonna be like rather than a couple years ago rewinding it looking at where i was then

35:15 i didn't have anything that was representative of what the possible endpoint could have been and so going from this point forward it'll be a no-brainer and if i do well hopefully obviously if i do well then make it into possibly going into national level i would prefer to not have first season ideally get crushed you know just be be good at a local show be the guy because everyone knows the guy

35:46 that competes at a local show has like four people in their class wins it and thinks that they're going to crush it at nationals they go there and they get absolute last you know they're just in the sea of people that get the same ranking and then you just sit in the delusion of i'm a national qualified competitor and it's just like that that's all that you've ever done or being the guy that makes it at that

36:08 point and has multiple years of work to do before actually standing on a national stage means anything never wanted to be that guy and hopefully up to this point since i took the time i won't be that guy and then if i do make it through in that first or second run making it into high level nationals if i were to get lucky enough to get a pro card at some point in the next couple of years

36:33 then i also don't want to be the guy that got the pro card and then has another multiple years before being able to even be in the household name of any kind in the pro ranks ideally i would like it not to be a 12 year endeavor of going up to the top falling back to the bottom up to the top falling back to the bottom i'd rather it be sitting in a pretty pretty good spot

37:01 moving into across the competitive planes up until the point where i actually find where i'm supposed to belong for the time being and then put in the time to really breach into where i'm supposed to be at the end the person that comes to mind when you're you're kind of sharing your philosophy on the philosophy on all this is hunter labrada right i mean now you know i'm assuming you probably don't have the the genetics of hunter labrada

37:30 but man you want to talk about an individual that just is in it for the long haul and not the short haul and seemingly has done it the right way because i mean he's gotten the results right i mean here he is this will be his second olympia i believe last year was his his olympia debut this is his second olympian it's what like his maybe fifth or sixth seventh show like ever i think something like that i mean

37:58 it's it's less than ten i know that so so that's kind of what comes to mind and you know i i want to get into how you got connected with with with matt and and being a coach underneath him and as a part of camp jansen and that's something nick that that i'm learning myself i i compete as a drug free athlete and stuff but something that i see a lot with with matt and his approach with his athletes

38:26 brett wilkin is somebody that comes to mind is that it's it's it's about the long game right it's not about you know seeing how fast we can get to point a and then point z but it's really like hey how can we have a legit game plan just like you would see in other sports like football basketball how can we have a legit game plan and just stick that game plan so that when we do step on

38:50 stage like we we we make a splash just like we sell with brett right and i i kind of am learning just observing matt and how he's how he's approaching his athletes how it's like man if you have that discipline not to compete all the time and really stick to the game plan you can really in the in the long run have a have a have a really profound impact on bodybuilding your own personal career and and legacy so

39:18 with with all of that that's kind of in my mind is that something that you've kind of learned in terms of being around matt and his own coaching philosophy i would say more so we've meshed into like me being brought in more so because we were already on that wavelength rather than me coming in and having learned it after the fact from him i've definitely seen those examples coming out of what he's done with his own his

39:46 own people but being brought in was really because there was there's a lot of commonalities that he saw in me and that he wanted to to bring me in and then help help me to do what i was doing better so that i could be a better coach primarily so i could help people more and for me to be a better athlete in myself using some of the principles that he learned over the years of learning and trial and error

40:10 that he went through to expedite my process the learning that the long haul the long term is the most important thing to keep in the the forefront of your mind was something that was already well ingrained in me for a very long time so my thought process as far as those goes have been reflective of his for longer than i've known him for so so how did you this fascinates me i mean i'm i'm 11 years older than you

40:41 where did that come to be because we i mean you're you're you're so young man i'm so young but you're way younger than me and and it's not too common that you see younger people grasp the concept of the long game as opposed to the short game because we live in a short game world everything is insta right so so was it through some of your earlier life experiences that kind of taught you that or where did that

41:08 come to be it was my earlier life experiences that brought me brought me to that me having to deal with a lot of things over long periods of time knowing that there was no no end game to be had it was how how long can you sustain doing exactly what you need to do and knowing that what you needed to do was exactly what you needed to do so it didn't matter how long you had to do it

41:30 for it was what was going to happen anyway time will always pass it's what you're doing with it that matters and so i always approached everything that way after i had really had that lesson beat into me by just the life coming at me in every single which way just had to decide all right well here we go step on out let's just do this and then go as long as the road goes before me and that's always been the way that i've

41:57 approached everything the long haul matters a whole lot more than what you could do today what you could do tomorrow it's going to be what what are you doing today and tomorrow that is leading you towards the end goal that we're ultimately trying to be that's always been just the way that it's been for me ever since i can remember yes man i love it dude that's so good so so much wisdom from a a young individual now let's let's

42:22 get into so you graduate you got your double major you had all of your college experiences in the classroom outside the classroom did what you did accomplished what you wanted to accomplish and and and i'm sure much more so i mean again you're only 23 so you're basically still fresh out of college how did you have the opportunity to connect with matt and become a part of his team so originally actually i don't know how it happened

42:51 but one of my stories that i posted up on instagram is i had been posting like educational stuff since since i had an instagram really and some of my friends in college told me and poked me enough was like you just gotta start like putting stuff up and just just do it decided probably sophomore year-ish that i was going to start doing that i had done that all the way through and it was in second to last semester of school i

43:18 believe i put up a story actually talking about gripping mechanics for pressing and some way somehow matt jansen had seen that story i don't know if it just came up as something that crossed his feed somehow or somebody sent it to him don't know but he saw that and he actually replied to it and we talked about it a little bit he kind of asked me what really the importance was and got into the

43:48 nitty-gritty in the details and through that first experience i think he he kind of got it into his head was like all right there i think i want to like poke into this guy a little bit more see what's going on and so over a couple of months there he continued to do that and when i put up something you know meaningful that he could relate to or something that he wanted to send off to his own

44:13 people and have noticed he would like repost and just try to explain what i was saying a little bit further he did that did that a couple of times we had other conversations back and forth over things like that in that time and then by march i was in my last semester of college this was two years two years ago now and so i was in last semester of college and that's when the whole coven thing happened

44:40 that's when it all sparked off and so i was at that time going through all my last stuff doing my internship and whatnot and everything just collapsed all at once it was the the two weeks to flatten the curve and so pretty much at that point my last semester of school was done in a blank and then at the same time bodybuilding world changed dramatically in that time because our access to gyms was immediately cut off

45:12 like coaching wasn't exactly what it was and like things just everything just took a major shift and with that major shift jansen actually wanted to take an opportunity that he had at that time for him to reset the way he was looking at his the way he did his work and he doubled down and he spent the time to make him that much better what he was doing and with that he wanted to start to build a little bit bigger of a legacy

45:39 outside of himself and so he wanted to bring into team camp jansen a team of people that he knew that he could trust and that were representative of what he wanted to instill into his own people that could start to spread that and start to make it into their own and so through just minorly like having conversations that went into like some personal directions some some less so into the professional realm he thought that at the time that

46:08 everything had changed that hey of anybody that we can pull into this then i guess why not me and so he offered me the job as being part of king camp jansen and the rest is history okay so you're a very smart individual and i'm sure you were following matt and you know all of his you know athletes and things for for for a while before this this this

46:39 opportunity presented itself i mean you know you just being as real as you can be i mean when he when he offered you to be a part of his team and and come in to kind of the coaching fold i mean dude was that was that pretty surreal or or do you just kind of take everything that life gives you because of your previous experiences just because kind of the way you are do you just kind of take it

47:04 shrug your shoulders say all right here's an opportunity i'm going to go with it was it was it pretty surreal did you have to pinch yourself or you just kind of take it as it as it comes when i had that phone call because it was it was a phone call because he likes to do the professional stuff that way for sure the real conversation when the words were said that he wanted me to be on the team

47:29 working under him and actually that he wanted me to be a part of this bigger project altogether that that absolutely for me i had no idea what to do with that other than just i mean the other part of me was like all right well here's the opportunity let's just do it i always have that in my head as well but the other side of it was like like wide-eyed like i don't even know what even this this is at all like this

47:57 just insanity i didn't expect this to happen and me sitting on after the call after after me being in you know this is business call get get through this decide everything talk us out and then after that phone call ended i was sitting there for a while whoa that just happened and further on like as time went on because that's just like me struggling a little bit with my own personal identity of where i am and the fact that i

48:28 was kind of semi-officially still in college and walking into that role immediately following it's like wow if anyone anyone would have told me a month ago two months ago three months ago that that would have happened i would have completely not believed it at all whatsoever and so and as i continued to go on and as i go on to like podcasts like this and things where i get reminded

48:59 yeah kid from small town absolutely no one knows where it is in new york and to the point any time i say i'm from new york because i'm in florida now here two minutes away from revive gym anytime i say from new york they're like oh i i have some family in the city i'm like i'm on the opposite side the side that no one talks about the part of new york that's disowned so coming from there having a very

49:31 modest upbringing just the normal kind of like really not normal upbringing but kind of run of the middle of like you just do what you do you just do what you do and went the normal route with a little bit of a twist on it because i was so adamant about what i was going to do with myself instead of kind of falling in the same pitfalls that everyone goes like what is the practical thing for me to do from

49:55 here on i was never practical i was like i'm just gonna do what i'm gonna do so aside from that being the little bit of the outlier of just i'm gonna do what i'm gonna do and it's gonna fall the way it falls i never expected that that was going to be one of the cards that fell and since then every time i really think about the the place that i am like this is ridiculous you know what you know what though nick

50:25 like on some level i can relate because like i'm from a town of less than 5 000 people in iowa and that's that's actually i moved back here around when covet hit i was living out in denver moved back here bought the gym that i i grew up training at and you know the gentleman that mentored me he's since passed away but i i bought the gym and you know it's it's so i can relate and and but

50:52 that's something i guess you know it's it's been a struggle for me personally being back in my hometown you know i've lived in bigger cities i'm i i just love the bigger city and stuff it's been a struggle it's been hard for me to back my hometown but for the time that i'm here that's something i'm really trying to be intentional about is like hey you know what like you can be from a small town in iowa new york california

51:14 minnesota north dakota you can be from a big city it doesn't matter like your skin color where you're from who your parents were like we have an opportunity to write our story right and that's something i'm really trying to be intentional about is not to be kind of bummed out because i'm back in my hometown and i'm in the small town and everybody kind of has that small town mentality i'm trying to be intentional about like hey

51:36 do what you know you're supposed to do during your time here back in your hometown with the opportunity of of overseeing this gym to to be that light to be that encouragement to that to that kid that's that's in cherokee iowa your hometown so so that you can really encourage them like hey you don't have to just do the nine to five you don't have to just do what everybody else is doing in the small town or have that small mindset or

52:02 that small town mentality like you can do great things you can have a huge impact a positive impact on the people you know in the small town in the big city in the in our country in the world right like it none of that little stuff matters like it's all about what you want to do with your life and and and you're the author we're the author right so your story i can relate a little bit in terms of the small town

52:29 and it's like man like but like just just just do what you know you're supposed to do and something that came up when you were talking about that opportunity that matt presented to you was like hard work creates opportunity right so you put in the work and and opportunity has come so now let's let's talk about i want to be respectful your time so we'll wrap up here shortly but i do want to kind of get into some of the nuts and bolts of

52:56 of coaching right so now as you you have the college education right you train like a bodybuilder you haven't competed yet you will eventually so so what is your not not necessarily math but what is your coaching philosophy overall like when somebody comes to you whether they're a competitor or just like lifestyle what what is the process for you to connect with that individual and

53:26 begin to work with them first thing is always first that the initial communications with what are done are always handled on a personal level i always keep the the professional tone to everything but at some point everyone that you work with should be should become a friend is the way that i see it i mean there's always going to have to be a little bit of a separation but the longer that you know people and the more that you can you spend the time

53:56 knowing the people and working with them you're involved pretty intimately in what their life is i mean just having to be a bodybuilding coach you deal with i mean what are the reasons why you didn't get your sleep in this night of the week it's like oh well i mean me and the wife had this this issue it's like all right well i mean that's affecting your stress it affected your digestion the next day your weight

54:21 was up the training your values on your training and the numbers started to drop on the training sheets that i track and all of your subjective measures of what was happening on that day your mood your energy everything just took a dive so what's going on what what can be done what can change and you have enough of those instances that happen where at some point it's not about really just the objective things that you change on

54:49 the side of being a coach it's not always right off the bat usually right off the beginning you you have to make sure that everything is just as tight as it needs to be you're not trying to be the jokester or say say anything out of color ever especially in the beginning stages you know anyone for long enough and be that intimately involved with their life you're going to either end up in a position where you're great friends or

55:17 you're just really really really not and typically if you're somebody that enjoys being around people that are like-minded that are passionate about the same things that have a very similar mindset and as a coach there's a million of us there's so many coaches at this point it's an exploded industry people that are going to come to you are self-selecting people choose a coach at this point pretty much based off of instagram

55:48 they see what you're like they see how you interact with other people they see what your what your typical thought process is like and then they make their decision of whether or not they want to work with you based off of whether or not they resonate with what you do and what you say then it's obviously other content streams that come into you come into play there but you get the gist and so people end up coming at this day

56:09 and age to me for coaching are pretty well self-selected to be people that i i get along with they're people that kind of think in a similar way that have a passion about the same exact thing they approach the thing that we that we do as a collective in a way that you know is really similar to me and so obviously there's going to be things that i need to change and work with and make make a better understanding of

56:34 better groundwork shore up the places that are that are weaknesses and start to build the thought process that's deeper than what was what was there before they came to me but it's not fighting against the resistance of having a total diametrically opposed ideology over what it is that we do and so really all that i can say to it is that kind of a breaking down of the personal barrier into being that involved with people happens as a natural consequence of the

57:05 way that we select the people that are that we are choosing to be around and that would be kind of what you're choosing as a coach and just over time being in the involvement it just brings you to that place so what's the biggest lesson in your time underneath matt or working with matt or however you kind of worried that one a word that being a part of the camp chance and team what's what's the biggest lesson or takeaway from matt

57:36 personally that that that you have biggest thing that i've learned from matt is that fairly similar but with a twist to what i had always thought of as one of my principles as before being a part of it is you you're going to need to be conducting yourself in a way that is befitting of any of the hats you're going to wear at any one

58:07 time there's always got to be an undercurrent of what do you do what standard do you do it to who are you expected to be and are you proud are you not proud of who that is and if you have to change it you have to change it and that's something that i have definitely learned while being here around him and seeing all all the work that he esta has to do i mean people people get to see a little bit more into

58:34 his life nowadays than they they would have used to with the way that he puts out his content now he's he's a family man he is a good friend to the people that are friends of his he is a businessman he's a bodybuilder he still loves to do it even though he's not competing in it anymore he's just a good dude and so the undercurrent of everything is always ran with the work ethic always always needs to be

59:04 up to par and work ethic applies not just in what you're doing when you're sitting in front of your laptop doing your check-ins with your with your clients or sitting in a meeting over raw and revive or camp jansen or whatever whatever business venture it is you need to be up to standard with your work when you're trying to structure what you do with your family how you take care of the people around you how you treat people around you

59:30 regardless of how you're feeling about it talk to me about culture because that's something matt berzicot i had him on my other podcast several months ago and that's something at some point i think we kind of touched on and i i'm just you know i i i've bought in raw products i've i've i've got quite a few of the revived products i actually just got an order in today from revive so i am

60:00 very respectful and have a lot of just respect for the culture that is being built through through all of you guys down there on through raw revive camp chance and kind of all the all the the coaches all the moving parts that that kind of inc encompasses what's going on down there in florida but talk about culture because that is something i know that matt talks a lot about i've heard him talk about a lot of a lot

60:27 about that like on podcasts talking about nick saban and looking at you know these elite coaches phil jackson and how they built these cultures to be very successful in in football basketball what have you for for you being a part of that culture nick first of all talk about the culture what is the culture and then second of all you kind of always kind of go into the beat of your own drum for you personally being now plugged into and a

60:54 part of that culture what has it done for you personally so talk about the culture what is it down there what maybe makes it different special unique and then what has that culture done for you personally the culture here has been since i showed up here is that everyone does what they do and everyone is given the space to do what they do at the best of their capacity and if you're willing and vocal about the fact that you are doing that

61:22 and you're here for purpose then the people around you are going to support whether that's support is through just revive and raws like they supply supplements to their athletes that are here they do give the support by promotion and more so than that than the stuff that you see and you can write onto a contract it's just being around in the same space and knowing that everyone is there for moving everything forward the culture itself is encapsulated in everyone is

61:54 pulling to get this culture dragged forward and to make it expand across more levels than just what is the gym floor of revive gym here in the people that set foot here it's about bringing that energy and bringing everyone that does i mean even even to this day right now with all the people that we have in revised gym that are doing their thing even still they all do just like i do come and dance to the beat of their own

62:21 drum everyone comes and does their own thing not everyone comes in here as a lot of really famous like meccas of bodybuilding have been like everyone goes there and they come become a part of a team and that team does everything together it's not really exactly how it works here we have functions where everyone is together and we share in the same cause so there's there is always the circling back to being the team but everyone on the team has a mutual

62:52 understanding and respect for what you're doing is what you're doing what i'm doing is what i'm doing if we have something that we're going to collaborate on because it makes sense to do it then we're going to if we're not it's not a problem that you do your own thing everyone has their own thing and we're trying to all be the best at what we do because being being a team and being a culture if everyone has to be a part of the

63:17 clique so to speak then it's not an inclusive environment to anyone outside of that as as of that point for them to come in and feel welcomed by the fact that they're a part of the culture too if the culture is based off of the fact that you're the in-group then there's not a lot of inclusivity to the people that want to be a part of it that aren't yet it's about putting out that culture to the point

63:46 that you know everyone's here for this this is the work it doesn't matter where exactly it is you're pointing your work towards as the goal we're here for the work everyone mutually respects the work if you're here for the work you're welcome and that has i i think that's pretty much what the gist is has become from anybody that's not here when seeing the youtube videos that come out of here with all the people that train here ian and chris

64:15 and then jansen and walker and berzicott and really everyone else that has come through here even brett was here not too long ago everyone that does make it through this place you come in and that that's what it is coming here you're gonna shake hands you're gonna say hi you're gonna get down to work and when you're not here you can still feel like you're a part of it because it's it's all a part of just

64:39 the general undercurrent of what everyone else is doing that finds themselves under under the banner and finds themselves representing it whether or not they're official part of it it's about pulling bodybuilding together so what is that being a part of that culture done for you personally then for me as a perennial outsider with everything that i have ever done me being that person for a very very

65:11 long time it made me feel spiteful of the fact that i was the outsider even when i had maybe active participation to try and not be but just the way that i was on the way that i approached my daily life was just not something that resonated with most people and so it wasn't it just wasn't what i belonged in and then coming into a culture here that is about the fact that we're all doing our own thing we're all expected

65:44 to do our own thing and own it and be good at the fact that we do it and we do it for our own sake to the benefit of others if that's the way that it goes but primarily it's for ourselves to be doing the thing that makes us most fulfilled and by extension it will extend other people being that that is the culture that i've walked into here it's better empowered me to think more independently about

66:08 what i'm doing and not feel like because i've been brought in and this is where i am that i have to conform into what it is that i believe the culture to be just by looking at it from the outset i don't have to try and fit myself into the puzzle that i imagine that this is i'm just here as another piece of the whole thing that just falls into the place that i do because of the fact that i am who i am

66:39 and i do what i do then everyone else that is just the same they're their own specific puzzle piece in the whole jigsaw they fall into place where they fall into place because of the things that they do and the fact that they take pride in it too and so it's it's been that's exactly what it's been for me super cool man all right we're going to finish up here i want to ask you in terms of personal growth right

67:04 nick what there's obviously a lot going on in your life a lot of amazing opportunities and there's going to continue to be because i know you're going to continue to put in the work but is there anything kind of like when you're when you're not working with clients when you're not you know training when you're not kind of involved in all the health and fitness and all that is there is there an area in your life that you are really i'm

67:28 trying to focus on or be intentional to improve in or or grow in i think the biggest deficit that i have always had is interpersonal relationships is really where i mean aside from just basic bodybuilding and being a coach and having a relationships through that and the ones built on the foundation of bodybuilding itself it's the relationships that i have with people that are that are close to me

67:58 that don't necessarily have that same tie that have have been difficult on me to try and maintain and do to do due diligence and justice for and so those things are honest honestly very personal to me but being exactly as honest as i think i should be those are things that i definitely needed to work on and things that i continue to need to work on and something that i do work on is my ability to connect with

68:26 the people that i don't have all the same passionate commonalities with it's more about the fact that i appreciate those people as human beings and even though there's not going to be that same foundation of understanding based off of what it is that we take our passion in there's commonality between everybody being able to get past just the the things that i inundate myself with as the things that i've chosen to be in the things that i've chosen to take a

68:58 part of finding myself in in personal situations that i need to handle with more tact and be better with is just the people that i have close to me that that don't resonate like that and that is definitely where i put the most effort so last question here in regards to your your your coaching and what some maybe ideas or thoughts that you have for

69:28 long term i i'm not gonna ask you where you see yourself in five years or ten years because i always hate it when people ask me that it's like dude i i can barely sleep past right now right like who knows what's gonna happen tomorrow so that's not what i'm kind of i want to get at but in order to be somebody who's you know wanting to be the best version of themselves and pursue that excellence there's got to be some sort

69:51 of looking ahead right there's got to be some sort of vision there's got to be a direction that we're taking so what is kind of that direction you're taking what is maybe that that hopeful you know end game or future hold for you in terms of coaching in terms of career in terms of just kind of like what you are building towards the biggest thing that i'm building towards is my my major passion aside from the body the training really

70:21 because obviously if competing was my major passion i would have done it seven times by now my major passion is the training secondary to that is education and through my experiences of going through my own personal education be learning the more fulfilling part of me learning has been going and teaching other people and more recently i've started doing like seminars things where i'm i'm doing presentations

70:53 and having the opportunity to to hand off some of the things that i have learned and that i can demonstrate within myself as things that the things that i have mastered i try not to breach myself into any sort of direction that i can't claim is something i i can do myself before i start teaching on it the things that i know that i can own and the things i have gone and done the due diligence to learn

71:17 and then apply and take it to the very ends of where where i can take it to and i've learned all the lessons that you can't learn from just sitting down and reading it or watching somebody's youtube video about it i have gone and made it an effort for me to be able to make those connections with people across that boundary to have them get the light bulb moment that i had to learn on my own

71:43 and in the next couple of years that's really one of the the two things that i really want to be able to take the furthest possible are going to be my training and then as an extension my training and then just the lifestyle of bodybuilding leading me into the competitive realm that i see myself being able to get to hopefully if not then just training like an animal just by the fact of it is going to be

72:06 what i'm really looking forward to but then second to that is going to be being a respected educator in the space and being able to give all the information that i have learned and taken the time to in all the ways that i have up to that up to that point and so i can help the people that are you know people like me or people that aren't like me that do or do not have the ability to go

72:33 through those experiences on their own to learn all the things that i did and that i will to lead people forward into just another stratosphere of what bodybuilding on the base level can become and try to start leaving a legacy where me and there's a handful of other people that are working working hard to try and make this this the reality of bringing up the standard of bodybuilding so that everyone walking in has the resources to be able to sift through to have the

73:04 basic understanding that we're all on a similar page and then we're not relearning the same lessons over and over and over again over decades which is up to this point a lot of what we've been doing is the the cyclical nature of how the pendulum swings in what we do and how we do it within this realm we're now in a place that we have the resources we have the people we have people that have experienced it all

73:27 that have gone and done more book learning than probably anyone in bodybuilding up to this point have done it's a new era and trying to lead the new era of bodybuilding as people are growing through it into a place that we're actually in a better spot than we ever have been in the past we can get people through the careers safer we can get them to train harder but smarter have them accurately apply themselves know where their place is where their

73:57 place is and what to apply what not to apply what to try and what's a bad idea so as a collective as everyone that participates in this thing has a direction to move and we're not sitting on the same base level that we have for so long that is really as you can tell as i've gone long-winded on that that answer that's really the thing that i look forward to most and the thing that i'm trying to get to the most

74:23 to try and drag everyone even kicking and screaming to a place that we're all at a common understanding of the fact that we can all do this better and then do it better excellent man so definitely definitely a lot of just insight that you shared nick so i just want to thank you for taking some time out of your schedule you said this is the second podcast you've done today so i appreciate you jumping on here to to podcast with me on

74:56 behind the muscle if there's any thing that you kind of we definitely and this is what i love about this podcast specifically is we don't again we don't always necessarily get into the nuts and bolts of the sets and the reps because there's there's all kinds of podcasts there's all kinds of you know social media platforms talking about that stuff i love kind of getting behind the muscle behind the curtain and and we definitely did today so so thank you

75:21 for just the transparency and kind of open up keeping it real so we've had a lot of thorough conversation if there's anything that you kind of want to leave the listeners with at this time please feel free to share that and then also where can people connect with you where can people reach out to you where can people follow along just kind of share your social medias any any sponsors any discounts anything like that after your final thoughts go

75:46 ahead share that and then i'll i'll i'll close this out so final thoughts would be that to close out on me personally that there's always going to be something that needs to be tackled there's always going to be something in your way it's always going to be a new opportunity waiting on the other end of it don't get defeated it's way too easy to sit down on what you've already done and decide that you've worked hard enough

76:16 to take your rest and that rest ends up being the end of any emissions that you end up having because the momentum of having to get yourself yourself started again is much much harder to build than you continuing on forward in working and reinforcing yourself into being the person that you need to be to continue to be successful and successful at a high level so i guess as a final thought coming from me would be a message to myself

76:43 a message to anyone that is in a i mean honestly anyone that's 23 or or below and probably a lot of people are in and around that that age group or even even higher into their 30s we're all here doing the same thing and the same thing doesn't necessarily need to mean training it's we're doing everything to a standard and if you're not doing everything to a standard then there's something to be changed where can people connect with you at

77:14 nick my main spot to find anything for me is on instagram so my instagram is just my name nick gloth and i see k gloff no extra fancy stuff in there just me you can find pretty much anything of how to contact me through there you can send me dms if you want to talk to me i answer all of them even if it takes a little bit of lag time to get to all of them

77:42 aside from that obviously everybody go check out cam jansen check out the kim james and youtube check out the app check out everything that we're doing here follow matt follow matt berzicott follow walker follow justin jacoby everyone that's involved revive revive md get raw nutrition sponsored with code glock just gloss that's it and then sponsored also by strength unit of a

78:12 clothing brand of one of my friends that is very near and dear to me so that's just gloss 15 if you wanted to get some of their gear it's good stuff and then last one would be myself and luke miller of no switch fitness and john jewett of j3u are going to be giving a seminar in san antonio on october 24th so anyone that's interested in safe use models for pds monitoring blood work and then

78:43 optimizing training for longevity and hypertrophy goals interested in any of those get your tickets get out there link for that is in my bio as it is in loops and john's that's just about it very cool nick thank you so much man for taking some time like i already said again a lot of insight dropped for all you listeners out there i i highly suggest you go follow nick and just plug into what he's sharing super

79:13 young guy but obviously as you guys can tell very well spoken very experienced for how young he is nick thank you so much well thank you for having me on it's been a pleasure so listeners two things i just want to ask of you here quickly if you have not done so already go to behind the muscle podcast youtube channel make sure you subscribe i am just busting my butt putting in the work to get you guys

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