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0:00 Hey, we What's up, partner? >> How are you? Good to see you. >> Nice to see you. >> You good? >> I'm doing great. >> Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. Is this is the one you always do? >> Yeah, we were rolling right in. So, they're just coming down now. I'm never going to let them cuz you're here before them. They should be waiting for You should be waiting for us all right.
0:18 >> It's all good. I got here early. It was an easy drive over. I've had a My apartment's super close. >> So, it's a good block, obviously. >> It's a It's a beautiful building. My friend developed it. He lives in the building. >> Right. >> He's from Boston. >> Right. >> He named his son Brady. >> Ah. So, he's Tell me what's happening. You're the head of table, son. >> There's a pool, there's a basketball court.
0:37 >> Right. Gym, everything. >> Beautiful gym, there's a sauna, there's a steam room. But, it was good cuz he's living in the subway. I want to buy in that building. >> Is it expensive? >> Yeah. >> Will be, won't it? >> You know what? It It the And it like this real estate keeps going up. This city, like when COVID happened, it was so quiet. Nothing. And then everyone said, "Is New York City going to come back?"
0:58 >> Right. >> And then yesterday, you saw New York and it's It's a zoo. It's never been busier. >> Yeah. >> So, do you feel when you come over here, are you like >> Just something. I We We got stuck in the traffic, me and Roy went to watch the [ __ ] I want to call Yankees. Went to watch the last night. What do you think of the baseball, by the way? >> I love it.
1:17 >> You love it? >> Yeah. But, >> It's a hard watch, eh? >> Oh, yeah, yeah. Slow. It's really slow. But, it's a beautiful stadium. >> It was amazing. >> And the Yankees are the best of the best. >> But, it's slow, eh? >> It's so slow. It's a long game. They've tried to speed it up. >> yeah. They had a time clock was like running in >> It used to be really long games. Now, they're much faster. There's a long history of baseball in America.
1:42 >> Right. >> They call it America's pastime. >> Okay. >> Because like in the 1920s, baseball ruled for like 60 years. >> Right. >> And then in the '80s, our football started >> Yeah. >> coming on. Our football started It didn't even start professionally. >> Right. >> Our football started in basically in college. And college football is way bigger than pro football in America. >> Yeah. What's the big swing then? What was the swing? What was the sort of moment that >> And television.
2:07 >> Television. >> And then television happened and then American football is incredible >> Yeah. >> on foot on television. It's the perfect spectator sport. >> Yeah. >> And there's only 17 games a season. So you don't And it's once a week and it's on the weekend. And it's a 3-hour commitment. >> Yeah. >> And the visuals on football, the gladiator aspect, the the art and the science of it >> Yeah. >> really took over. >> How long you guys done the show for?
2:36 >> Three and a half years, four years. Yeah. >> Are they all done in the UK? >> All in the UK. We've done stuff with the We've done a few over here. We did two earlier on in the week. They do well. You know, we've had David's been on. Rory McIlroy's been on. >> Oh, good. >> Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, all the boxers and Usyk. >> Yeah. >> Who else has been on? So I think he's been on. Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, all the big sort of football players. JJ Watt came on.
3:00 >> Oh, good. >> He's at Burnley. He came on. Do you know Do you know him or >> Very well. >> Yeah. He's a good guy, yeah. >> Great. Yeah. He was a great player. >> Was he Is he at the most cuz we were talking to him. He was a defender. He had the most tackles He had the most tackles or something or one of the >> He was phenomenal. >> Was it >> most defensive defensive player of the year awards.
3:18 >> Yeah. >> He was incredible. >> Yeah. >> Just so gifted. That big, that athletic. >> Yeah. >> I mean, think about him as a goalkeeper. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you couldn't uh It'd have been difficult. >> Is that Was that his position? Was he Was he on the end? Was he on the >> He was kind of on the inside of the defensive line. And he was way more athletic than everybody he played against.
3:35 >> And he's got a brother that's equally as talented. >> Oh, you said, yeah. Yeah. >> So it's like two brothers that are elite >> Yeah. >> players. >> Yeah. >> Both would make the Hall of Fame. >> Right. >> Hey, Roy. How you doing, [snorts] partner? >> Nice to meet you. >> Nice to see you, too. >> Big fan. >> How's everything? Same here. >> With due respect, >> yeah. You good? >> I'm doing great, yeah.
3:55 >> He's not a big fan of of everybody, to be fair, Tom. >> Is that right? Why not? >> For him to say big fan, that that that's high praise. >> [laughter] >> I do a few games, yeah. I've always loved it since I was a kid growing up in Ireland. >> Is that right? >> There wouldn't be much sports on when I was at the NFL on a on a Sunday. >> Really? >> So, yeah.
4:11 >> Why would they have it on in Ireland? >> sure, but yeah. Good question. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, I loved it back in the day. >> I'm going to Ireland on Monday, by the way. >> Oh, yeah? >> Yeah. >> Whereabouts? >> I'm going to play golf with my dad for 3 days. We're going to Royal County Down. >> All right. >> And we're going to Portmarnock. >> Yeah. >> And we're going to Adare Manor.
4:29 >> Oh, cool. Not bad, huh? >> Yeah. >> It's beautiful over there, though, the golf courses, aren't they? >> Oh, my god. >> You've played Have you played any of the courses? >> I think I played Port. Is it Portrush? >> Yeah. We're going to Portmarnock. >> Portrush, yeah. I think I played Portrush once. I played the David got married in Ireland at Oh, what's the castle called? Where David got married, I played golf there with him.
4:48 >> Yeah, I know. I can never remember. >> What's the name of it? It's like a famous one. But, I'm going to see you. You're sending me He's sending me to Ireland in about a month when I get back to >> I've sent you a message. >> that. Ordered me to go. >> He sent me a message to go. >> He's ordered Ashford Castle. >> Ashford Castle. >> Yeah. That'd be cool, yeah. >> golf Is that golf golf course?
5:05 >> It's in Galway and Mayo on the border of Galway and Mayo. But, you have to get the car Kinsale. Have you heard of a golf course in Kinsale? >> Yeah. >> Supposed to be The Old Head is called. >> The Old Head, of course. Supposed to be amazing while I was there. >> Did you, yeah? >> Loved it. It's amazing, yeah. >> Well, I'm not into golf, but I I know about the course, of course. And I like watching.
5:21 >> Irishman not into golf? >> I got I I don't have the patience for it, Tom. >> [laughter] >> Really? >> Yeah. You put a practice in lessons and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I tried it. I did try it, but Did you play while you played Well, you were professional, did you play Cuz to be fair, you didn't like He didn't like the golf He didn't like the players rushing off to go and play golf.
5:41 >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> The idea of distraction and just like 4 hours on a golf course and stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> He thought >> We played on so I played growing up. I had three older sisters. >> Right. Okay. >> And my dad was going to be a priest. And when he went to the seminary in Chicago, he manicured kind of the landscape of the golf course. So when he had a son, my dad was always into golf and he got when I was 2 years old, he's like, "Come on, we're going to go off and play golf cuz you know, the girls are in the house. Let's go play golf." So I always loved it.
6:09 And then when I got to college and I worked at a golf course in the summertime to play free golf. >> Yeah. >> And then when I got to the pros, I was decent, but then football took over >> Yeah. >> and I never played during the season. So my golf game just got worse and worse and worse. And then now the last 3 years since I've been retired, I play more. >> What you off now? What you off?
6:28 >> I'm pretty good now. >> Uh-huh. >> Three or four probably. >> Just back straight back into it. >> It took a while. It took like 3 years. I had a lot of bad habits and um I'm tall. Golf's not good for tall people. It's hard. You're a long way from the ball. Rory McIlroy's great. He's much closer to the ball. It's a shorter arc. Yeah. I mean, all the good golfers, Jack Nicklaus was 5'9". >> Yeah.
6:50 >> Rory's probably 5'10", you know. Gary Player, Arnold Palmer. >> Yeah. How small are you? >> You should be ideal for you. You're 5'4", isn't it? And you'd be really good. >> [laughter] >> You know, you still get a lot of that power, but like you know, Tiger was 5'11", 6 feet. But when you start being 6'3", >> Tiger looks taller than that when you look at him. I've never I've never met him obviously, but he looks taller than that.
7:10 >> Yeah. >> watch him, he's not as He's 5'11", 6 foot. >> Five, yeah. >> What you talking Are you 6 foot? >> I'm 6'5". >> What do you play off now with the golf? I was 12 when I like going back in so when I was 19, 20. And then I stopped playing during my football career and didn't pick it back up again. >> You haven't picked it up at all? >> No, I'm going to play with Dexter on Monday at at at Hamptons.
7:31 >> Sabannack? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, incredible. >> Is he good? >> Spectacular. >> Yeah, I'm going on Monday. He asked if you'd like to come by the way. >> Gary did invite me to go with him. >> No, with us. >> You should go just to see it. >> Just just wait. >> By the way >> I don't play but he I said what will I do when you're playing golf even you can sit in the club house. I was like all right this >> It's a beautiful club house.
7:48 >> For three or four hours? >> You could putt or you could putt you could hit some balls. >> Tom could he go could he drive around the Hamptons that from there as well? >> By the way you The Hamptons is one of the most beautiful places you >> Well I'm sure it is. Yeah yeah but he could go. Come with us. You've got an invite. >> Yeah but you're >> You didn't invite me. >> selling it to me you know what I mean.
8:04 >> You can watch some games. What else you going to do? Sit in a hotel room? >> What's the best place for him to go in the Hamptons driving around if >> beautiful. >> Okay. >> I mean you're in the best part Southampton where that golf course is so where that golf course is Sebonack. There's another one called National which is probably the third or fourth best one in the country. >> Right. >> Which is next to Shinnecock where they're playing the US Open. All three of them are you can see all of them from the same place.
8:28 >> All right okay. >> So it's the most beautiful >> Yeah. >> one of the most beautiful places in the world to golf. >> See he's selling it better than you were. >> Yeah. >> You were just saying just sit in the club house and I'll come with a sandwich. >> The food's incredible. What >> What >> Oh well I might do. Yeah that's better. >> Have a beautiful day. >> Where is he in by the way? We did say 9:30 start. We did say 9:30 to fast.
8:47 >> Don't worry about it. >> Yeah he's always a bit late. Tom what's in that by the way? >> It's a potion. No. >> [laughter] >> Water, electrolytes, minerals. >> I spoke to you about this obviously we did a thing a few weeks ago but it's it says the 80/20 diet and it's like completely transformed. What is that? >> I'm pretty good about what I what I you know when I started playing I was like kind of like everyone else and then I needed to like improve my processes for playing and then I got good at it and I met a guy who now runs our health and wellness at the Raiders. He actually runs the health and wellness at Birmingham City too.
9:20 >> Right. >> And you know we just It's good food. It's the right hydration. The right body work. The right workouts and I played till I was 45 and we had the lowest injury rates last year. >> It >> It I How are you doing? Where are you going? >> [laughter] >> We just finished. >> We just finished. >> it was great. Thanks for having me. >> Did you enjoy the show? >> Thank you. I enjoyed the show.
9:41 >> I know. These were These were my notes on Tom. >> Jesus, I went down to get a banana and went late for Tom Brady. Hey Tommy, how you doing? >> How you doing? >> [laughter] >> Good to see you, buddy. >> I know. We finished everything. >> Hey, yeah. Vince Lombardi, be be 15 minutes early. >> it again if we need to. >> Yeah, we were just talking about actually Mr. Golf, but we'll forget that. We're just talking about Tom's diet and his 80/20 diet and how he sort of moved from that.
10:01 >> We were at well at the baseball last night. I had two hot dogs and some ice cream and my recipe >> Is that okay? >> It's fine. >> Is that part of the 80/20 then? >> [laughter] >> Wait, so when you guys were playing when you guys were playing did you have a lot of uh working out, physical training like they do in American football? >> We got a nutritionist We got a nutritionist in late '90s and we talked about actually yesterday. He got down to about 5% 5 and 1/2% body fat.
10:26 >> Wow. >> Which was like it used to be it was too low. He went He went like into like a complete and utter >> I can be a man of extremes, so that was That was too low. >> Yeah. And when I was playing in the midfield, I was People were hitting me and I was hitting them, so I was feeling a lot. I should have That was too low. Without a doubt. >> Who made you do that, Roy? What happened? What What happened to me?
10:44 >> Probably me cuz I used to be used to be about When I first went to United, I was about 12, 13, maybe. >> No higher than that, no. >> Yeah, I was about 18 or 19, yeah. But yeah, I was carrying a bit. >> But you you you were to be fair, you >> I was a Guinness. >> But you weren't looking after yourself. You weren't looking after >> Gary. No, I wasn't a good pro, but it's not about me, is it?
11:00 >> [laughter] >> Back off, will you? >> Yeah, I had some bad habits, Tom. You know what I mean? >> How did you get over a bit more mature? Did you have bad habits? >> Well, yeah, but we're talking >> I grew out of them. >> I have no bad habits anymore. >> [laughter] >> I'm just kidding. I have a lot of bad habits, none of which I'm going to tell him about, you know, on camera.
11:16 >> Of course, we don't want that, but like I was saying, that Roy had some bad habits. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> You started playing me. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Sky Bet. Before we kick off the show I want to say huge thank you to our partners Sky Bet who have helped [music] bring you stick to football throughout this tournament. Make sure you've liked and subscribed. You do not want to miss what's coming next. [music] Right, let's get into it.
11:49 >> They didn't have a very high projection of what they thought I could become and a lot of it was because of that combine photo. I wasn't the biggest >> Do you want to see it? >> No, I don't. >> We've got it. We've got it. >> [laughter] >> Guess what? As a 199th pick, I love beating the first round picks. How good was that guy in college? I'm going to kick his ass next. [music] I'd love to learn from you guys. Why do you fire so many coaches all the time? Don't they realize the players play? Every play is a set piece. So, if your set pieces are better than theirs, >> Thank you, Tom.
12:21 >> [music] >> Thank you, Tom. >> Arsenal fan. They They've They've won the league through set pieces. They've been phenomenal. >> [music] >> When Bill Belichick walked in the room, everyone sat up. He said, "Do your job." Is what he said. >> that line. >> [laughter] >> You've just drafted the first pick. >> Yeah, we needed a quarterback. Once you're selected, it doesn't matter. Now you're just a member of the team. Now you have to develop him.
12:43 >> Tom fell asleep in the locker room before his first Super Bowl. >> For all he said the last hour and a half, he was out the night before. >> [laughter] >> He's bladdered. >> What do you call that? >> Bladdered. >> Bladdered. >> Absolutely. >> [laughter] >> Strong. I love you, Brits. >> Let's talk about baseball. >> Go on. >> The first picture we've got here [music] of Tom. >> [ __ ] me. >> Is it >> That's not That's a good picture, talking picture of my life, I mean.
13:12 >> No, Tom's a great picture. >> Yeah, but you can look back now and say >> Tom, you've got worse than this. >> What's your You're a good baseball player. >> You were a catcher, weren't you? You were a catcher, weren't you? >> Pretty good one, too. Yeah. >> So, you you were >> Catcher was a little like playing quarterback. It's you're kind of in charge, you call the pitches, they don't start until you, you know, put the glove up. You're in the action, every play is there. You get to be a little bit of a leader. It's a pretty tough part of the part of the field. And like I said, when I grew up, my dad actually got drafted to play professional baseball. All three of my sisters played softball.
13:45 So, it's just in our family. And >> You know, when when you say about the the catcher, so is he telling the guy what the pitcher has to >> Yeah, now he does. It's a little different now. They've I mean, it goes back and forth a lot. When I was playing, the catcher told the pitcher what to throw. There's some really cool stories about coming out. There was one of the greatest baseball pitchers in America named Greg Maddux. He played for the Atlanta Braves. He was dominant in like the '90s. He was incredible. He would call his own pitches and he would do it when the catcher threw the ball back to him. How he caught the ball would tell the catcher the next pitch he was going to throw. So, if he had the glove facing this way, it was a certain thing. It was up. If it was this way, it was one thing. And no one ever picked up on his entire career. Some crazy stories. Now, they actually have because there was a crazy sign-stealing thing like what happened in the championship this year.
14:35 You know, the whatever. They now buzz in. They have like an electronic buzzer. So, it basically like between the catcher and the pitcher, they can hit buttons >> On the screen there on the watch? On the watch or >> I don't know exactly the way it works, but it's basically some electronic communication. >> Wow. >> That doesn't allow signs to happen anymore. >> Right. Do you like that or do you think that's getting too much technology with the sport even?
14:59 >> I love technology. I know there's like a lot going on with >> And there was some last night in the baseball, wasn't it? The decision though and I think that's what it is. >> I when I watch like Wimbledon now and they rule every ball in or out, like I love that. I mean, I think the guys work so hard year-round to train and you hit a good shot and it's in and they call it out and you lose and we have the technology to actually improve it. Well, why would you not do it? It's like if it's instantaneous and the flow of the game happens, why would you not take advantage of the technology? Which I think like in American football >> Yeah.
15:30 >> technology is really important in the game cuz things happen so quick. And I think there's always a part between like protecting traditions versus innovating to make the game better for the fans and for the players. So >> But then sports are more stop-start. That's the frustrating thing in England and everyone likes the fast pace. >> Yes. >> So in American football for example or even in tennis it is stop-start, isn't it? A lot of that sport where soccer is football is. So when they slow it down for it is frustrating. Like last night when they were making them decisions we were cool out, weren't we?
15:56 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, take your time. It's in the baseball. But in England they don't we >> But where they got to go anyway? I mean what's the rush? Why are we It's a tradition. Would you rather get it right or would you rather >> so. But it's just what they're used to. >> Yeah. Which is actually comfortable for everybody to go what we're used to, but we love the innovation on our technology devices. We love the innovation in our cars. We love the innovation in so many parts of our life, but in sports sometimes we like to keep things non-innovative. And it's like how can we think of these sports in the new generation whether it's golf or whether it's American football or >> Yeah.
16:30 >> you know. >> What changed Tom for you? You We're going to go to obviously the start of your career where you're I think 199th pick. >> Yeah. >> Draft out of 225 or 250 something like that. >> 250? >> Yeah. >> How How did innovation change from that moment to the end of your career which obviously mid-40s? What what's the biggest change you see through that career in technology? What happened happened in NFL? >> The biggest The most substantial change I think in the NFL from when I started to now is the contact aspect of the sport which I kind of appreciated the physicality. And I would say most sports the physicality is much different now than it was >> Of course.
17:08 >> when we all started playing. But I think there's like physical toughness is the only thing to me that can beat skill. Because if you just make it a skills competition, then the best athletes will always find a way to win. But if you can make it a toughness competition, >> Yeah. >> who's tough with skill, >> Yeah. >> then I think the toughness can sometimes >> Yeah. >> overtake that. And I think just because of people being really conscious and conscientious about head injuries, >> Yeah.
17:35 >> and I don't It's not my favorite thing to talk about. I think that like part of what you sign up for as an athlete is you're willing to take more risks than what other people are willing to take. And I played, you know, and I've been around a lot of NFL athletes. Michael Strahan's one of my great friends. He's on TV with me. Rob Gronkowski, you know, guys that played in the certain area of tough football, we're great, you know what I mean? We were We worked hard. We took care of ourself.
18:00 >> Yeah. >> You know, we look back at our careers and I think you're real happy. And I think I'm really happy about the sport that I played because it was physical. And the physicality of the sport forced me to come up with disciplines within myself that allowed me to be very healthy over a long period of time. And now I can still use those disciplines when I retire to live kind of really active physical lifestyle even though I'm done.
18:23 >> Mhm. So what what what are the big changes Tom from when you started to now? I mean, in football, there's something similar going on in England with the heading the ball. >> Yeah. >> So now I think kids under 16, they're on they're not allowed to head the ball more than maybe one or two times >> Yeah. >> per practice. Is it What is it similar types of thought of things that are happening there in the NFL obviously with what's happening?
18:42 >> Yeah, but I think the biggest change is >> Mhm. >> expressed this a few times is You The offensive players on a team my team should protect myself. >> Mhm. >> And your team needs to protect yourself. And I think the difference is there's a physical element to play where the quarterback can make a decision with the football and try to throw it to Roy, but Ian's really close. Now, Ian's coming in with a lot of force to try to knock the ball off Roy.
19:12 >> Yeah. >> The problem is if Ian comes in too fast and all of a sudden Roy drops his head 4 in and >> Mhm. >> and Ian clips his helmet because he's coming in >> Yeah. >> ball off him they're going to call a penalty on Ian >> and they're going to penalize you yards and they're going to find you. So now Ian's got to come in really slow and under controlled. Now Roy gets to catch the ball with no ramifications. The quarterback can throw the ball in places that he used to not be able to throw the ball into because now we blame the defensive player for making the right play on the football.
19:44 >> Yeah. >> So to me like if you're carrying the football and you're running you're you're running the ball down the field and you need a turnover the defender has to come in with a lot of force to try to knock the ball off you. >> He's got to run full speed cuz these guys are so strong. >> Yeah. >> If you're coming in half speed you're never going to put enough force on the football to knock it off me. But if you brought in all your force to knock the ball off me you're coming at it a speed which you can't change your target area if you're coming in full speed. So now all of a sudden the court the running back drops his helmet >> Yeah.
20:15 >> you're running you hit his helmet and because there's helmet helmet contact automatically there's a flag on you and you're the problem not the runner. So I think you should there should be an element of offensive players protect offensive players, defensive players protect defensive players. It's not the defensive player's responsibility to protect the opposite team. >> It'd be like going to a boxing match and saying "I want you to beat him but don't hurt him too bad."
20:40 >> Right. >> "Don't knock him out." >> Yeah. >> And it's [clears throat] like hold on my job if I don't want to knock him out he's got to play better defense. He's got to protect himself. >> Right. >> So I just think I had this probably 10 10-year part of my career, 11-12-year part of my career which was the old way and then there was the new way >> And now the new way is easier. It's just it's just more I don't think you're I think you're you're rewarding poor styles of play and poor decisions as opposed to saying, "I got to make really good decisions at quarterback to protect my own teammates, to throw the ball where the ball needs to be thrown."
21:18 Because Yeah, I mean it's really detailed. I need a chalkboard that draw some of the things up. But for the most part, you know, that's probably the number one change. And they have tried Nobody wants to see people get injured. >> No. >> But I think we should get better at actually taking care of people. We should get better like Why don't we focus our energy on how to get people recovered better? Why are we still archaic about that, but then let's change the rules to actually lessen the contact? Where to me, contact is a big part of the game. And it's still very still a lot of contact in the sport. But we've lessened it by probably 25-30%.
21:52 >> Are these the quarterbacks and the when you compare the quarterbacks to the last years, you look at a quarterback now that they're throwing flags. I think that's frustrating, isn't it? You must look at the current quarterbacks. And I get a lot more time, aren't they? Because people are a bit wary of certainly hitting a quarterback. >> Yeah. And I think one thing so like there there became a lot of rules to protect a lot of players.
22:10 >> Right. >> Uh receivers, defensive players, and certainly the quarterbacks. And now the quarterbacks can take the ball and they can run the ball >> Mhm. >> without much fear of getting hit really hard. Because anytime the quarterback's running, it used to be when I first started playing, if you decided to run, you were treated like a running back. >> Oh, yeah. >> And then a running back, they would come in and knock the [ __ ] out of you.
22:32 >> Yeah. >> Now when you run outside the pocket, they still treat you like a quarterback. >> Right. >> Which means you can slide and if they come in and they put their shoulders, it's a flag. And I just don't like the fact that like there's a lot of the most amazing players that ever played in the NFL, they're in the Hall of Fame that relied on a physical style of play. That those players who are so gifted and so talented, in today's football, they would be called dirty players. Whereas all they're doing is trying to do their job really well.
22:58 >> Yeah, yeah. >> And I don't think like you make someone a dirty player because he's playing >> Yeah. >> with a lot of force and >> you know with the quarterback, you see that when you because you are the main guy. So those are tough guys. They want to stop they want to hit you as hard as you can because you are the main guy. They want to slow you down. Is that not hap- that's not happening today, right?
23:18 >> They still are. I mean there look there's still a lot of >> I'm talking about really hit them because you say that >> It's less for sure. And there's less like for example, if I were to hit Gary on the way to the ground, I have to roll my body off of you so I don't my body doesn't land on top of your body. >> How do you do that? >> It's guys figure out a way to do it, but at the same time like if the quarterback wants to hold the ball to the last last last second I understand that. That's a decision the quarterback has to make.
23:48 If Roy's bearing down on me he's going to hit me as I'm getting ready to throw it. I want to let him come as close as possible and then I throw it to give my receiver enough time to get open and then you knock the [ __ ] out of me. >> Right. >> And you knock the [ __ ] out of me and I got to get up and I got to play the next play. Now when you're coming in at me these guys wait forever as long as they want and as soon as the ball's thrown Roy can't hit me that hard and even if Roy does hit me when he drives me to the ground he's got to peel off. So you're just saying you have to be way more under control as a defensive player which I understand why. It doesn't mean I like it.
24:23 I like the fact that like >> But I can't be naturally kind of because if their job is to try and get at the quarterback, get a fumble or a hard challenge. Their instinct is different then, isn't it? >> The instinct's a lot. So you have a guy let's say this is the sideline and the quarterback scrambles out of the pocket and he's running down the sideline and you have defensive players that are all pursuing him to try to do it. If that quarterback's 1 in from the sideline and he starts to step out of bounds and the defensive players knock the [ __ ] out of him they will blame the defensive players. When my view is he's still in bounds.
24:56 >> Yes. >> If he wants to run out of bounds 2 yards before the defenders get him, let him run out of bounds. It's his choice. >> Yeah. >> Don't blame the defensive players for trying to defend every blade of grass. >> Yeah. >> As a defensive player, we've won Super Bowls by defending 1 yard in the NFL. It's 2014, we played the Seattle Seahawks. We got to the fourth quarter of the game. It was a great game.
25:16 They got the ball down to our 1-yard line with under 30 seconds left. If they get the 1 yard and they score a touchdown, we lose. Plain and simple. >> The entire season, 7 months of football, came down to who could defend 1 yard. We defended it. They chose to throw the ball. We ended up winning the ball. >> it. They should have run it. >> I like the fact that they threw it. >> I'm [laughter] very happy the way they threw it.
25:38 >> But to me, like every yard should be important on the football field. So, why let a quarterback run unabated for 5 extra yards cuz these defenders are slowing down because they don't want to hit the quarterback or be called a dirty player. >> Yeah. >> To me, it's like let them play fast and aggressive. You're going to know they're fast and aggressive. As a quarterback or as a runner, you need to make decisions based on the fact that they are But we basically have told offensive players, you guys are infallible. There's nothing you could do wrong. You just run till you get tired.
26:05 >> Yeah. >> And if you want to slide, you can slide. If you want to stay up, we can't hit you that hard anyway. So, I think that's the biggest difference and I think it's created a Like I said, a a comfort zone for certain players that used to not exist. >> penalties are bigger, aren't they? If you If you are touched, those like 15, 20, 25 yards going to be punished >> yards, but what they start doing is they start fining you >> $50,000, $75,000.
26:27 >> Wow. >> And I'm saying like I hate that. I hate the fact that like Do you sign a contract for $2 million a year or $5 million a year? And it's so easy for someone to say, "Give me 75,000. Give me 50,000. Oh, it's your second offense. That's 100,000. That's your third offense. >> about it. Tell me about >> [laughter] >> Boy, I mean, I know. I've seen a lot of I've suffered >> I know, but I like this is like what job What job is like that in the world where you make a mistake at your job and they come and they go, "Hey, we're going to take your salary away."
26:53 >> Yeah. >> And then people are like, "Yeah, you should take his salary away." And I'm like, >> so much. >> I'd be finished. >> I know. [laughter] >> I mean, you would think, oh, you make a mistake in your job, they fine you. So, there's just a few of those little nuances that at least we can bring awareness to it. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You know, and I think sometimes the pendulum swings too far one way and it's got to swing back the other way.
27:14 >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Sky Bet. >> You see the picture there? I know we've got we've gone off a bit a little bit of it. I'm not bringing it back because you don't like it, but what what where was you in your kind of like your growth in the sport? >> We love that picture, Tom. >> Yeah, we love that picture. >> We look a little bit older and a little bit older.
27:33 >> No, no, no. No, we look [laughter] Look at that picture of Tom and we look at you now and it doesn't it doesn't look You don't look real. >> That was 36 years ago. >> You look amazing. >> Tom, there's another picture There's there's a picture of you. Yeah. There's a picture of you just before you get drafted. It's a famous picture of you where you're absolutely immaculate. You're the greatest of all time. But you're 199th draft pick. Are you at that point where you you can see everyone else getting picked before you? Is that Is how it happens? You see everybody else get You get told you're too Are you happy? Are you a bit like I'm >> Relieved, man.
28:04 >> Relieved. Am I going to I'm struggling here because I'm last How How's that feel? Is it Is it public? >> Yeah. >> It's a very public thing. >> Public coming, yeah. Very public. And I It's not like you're Look, it's a great opportunity to be drafted wherever you're drafted. And the reality is it doesn't matter where any of us start in our careers. You could start as the prodigy. You could start as someone who never thought would be that successful.
28:25 There's an element to all of us where you never know who you are until you face adversity in life. And you have to grow up through adversity and through challenges. And things don't always go your way. And I had a really good college career. I went to one of the best colleges in America. I played at one of the most storied football programs in America, the University of Michigan. I played in college in front of 110,000 fans.
28:47 I was 20 wins and five losses in my career at Michigan. We were really good. But then it came to the draft and then you have a lot of scouts that evaluate these college prospects and they think, well, let's project what they could become. And they saw me and they didn't have a very high projection of what they thought I could become. And a lot of it was because of that combine photo. I wasn't the big >> Do you want to see it?
29:08 >> No, I don't. I know what it looks like. I lived it. >> [laughter] >> Come on, Roy, break the [ __ ] iPad. >> Yeah, thank you. Get rid of that thing. >> We'll get rid of the iPad. >> Exactly. So, it was like they see the picture and they go, well, he's not that big and he's not that fast. But the quarterback position, I'm tall. I'm not the most muscular. >> Yeah. >> It was just been a hard thing for me to put on all that muscle.
29:32 >> Yes. >> And honestly, you put on too much muscle, you're going to get injured a lot of times, too. And I wasn't really a runner. So, what ended up being my biggest weakness was the fact that I wasn't that fast turned into my biggest strength, that it forced me to prepare and study better than basically anybody that played. There was a few other guys that I would compare myself to in terms of preparation, film study, anticipation.
29:55 And I went into a system in New England that embraced all those things. And then I could truly play field general. I could play the game between my ears. And then my physical skill within two or three years really caught up to everybody else. So, I think there's a way for every athlete to truly maximize their potential. And I think there's a physical, mental, and emotional part of us that allow us to all be successful. We oftentimes over evaluate the physical. And we think, oh, because he's such a physical athlete and he's talented, he's going to be great. To me, I mean, you probably got along because under you understood the game. You saw the passes. You saw the strategy. You saw the tactics. And then emotionally, you bring a competitive stamina, a energy, an enthusiasm, and optimism to the team every day. There's nothing worse than a teammate that one day he's [ __ ] great and the next day what happened to him?
30:47 >> Yes. >> Okay, Ian. Sorry. >> [laughter] >> That wasn't me. >> That wasn't it. It was always a fear. >> Yeah. I I didn't When you have that athlete or teammate that you know every day is going to show up, he's going to be on time, he's going to train hard, he's going to be good in the locker room, he's always going to be dependable, those are the type of teammates you want. You would take someone like that over the less skilled player that or the more skilled player that has more volatility. Cuz you know what you can count on. So to me I was very mental emotional was off the charts. Physically I needed to catch up.
31:21 And I started to do that from the from those moments on when I improved my nutrition, when I was more hydrated, when I worked out better, when I recovered better. >> a moment where you thought, "I need to do this now?" >> I was always part of it. It was always part of it. I just it got really >> intense. >> It got intense because and then one of the biggest moments was in my career. My I I met a guy who's my best friend still. I talked to him this morning. I talked to him last night. He's running the health and wellness department for the Las Vegas Raiders now where I own part of the team.
31:50 We have the lowest injury rates in the NFL. At Birmingham City in the Championship, the last 2 years we had the lowest injury rates of any team. And he started to train me with a lot of recovery treatments that got me feeling back to 100% really quickly after games, after injuries. And now we just run those protocols for our entire for our entire >> What were they Tom back then? What were they back then? >> So a lot of it is I'll give you an example. I was a quarterback. I threw the ball a lot. I had significant elbow pain. It was elbow it was tendonitis basically. And the tendon in my elbow would get inflamed. Every time I would throw, I would go in the weight room, I would lift weights cuz everyone says you got to lift weights if you want to be better. If you want a stronger arm you got to lift weights. So I would do bicep curls, I do tricep push-downs, I do bench press, I do pulls, I do all the things.
32:35 Then I would go on the field. So in the weight room, those muscles are getting stronger, but they're also getting tighter and thicker. Okay? Now, I go on the football field and I've got to create this really elastic movement where all these muscles need to be really long and elastic. But, in the weight room, I've changed them to be very dense and tight. So, now I have this elbow tendon that's like, "Hold on. What do you want me to do? Do you want me to be dense and tight, or do you want me to be long and elastic?" So, this tendon is now becoming very inflamed through all the repetitive throwing motions, day after day, to the point where I couldn't throw anymore. I would have to take days off. You take this day off, and then you come back and you practice every other day. And after practice, we're going to ice your elbow, we're going to give you an anti-inflammatory, and you're going to rest.
33:22 >> So, I was like, "How accurate is that?" >> Yeah, yeah, well, that's what we do. [laughter] >> Wow. >> Anti-inflammatory, ice, rest. And then finally, it wasn't working anymore, because you get older, you're like, "Hold on, that used that 19, that worked, and that 20, it worked, but at 22, it's not working that much. At 24, it's not really better and it's hurting more and, you know, it's becoming more irritating." So, I meet Alex, one of my teammates, Willie McGinest, who was a great defensive end from USC, a first-round pick for the Patriots, I think in 1993.
33:49 He says, "Tommy, we can't have you." We I already won a Super Bowl at that point. He's like, "We can't have you miss practice. You're coming with me now. You're going to go work with Alex." And I'm like, "What can he do that no one else has ever done for me?" He was just listen, just shut up. Just grabs me, brings me into this little side training room, and Alex says, "What's the problem?" He said, "My elbow hurts." "Okay, this is what we're going to do. We're going to through manual therapy, muscle work, we're going to lengthen and soften all the muscles in your forearm, all the muscles in your bicep, and all the muscles in your tricep to relieve the tension on your tendon.
34:24 Your muscle doesn't Your Your tendon doesn't hurt because they're too weak. They hurt because they're too tight. So, we need to, through muscle work >> Yeah. >> relieve the tension. So, now instead of these muscles being very short and dense, we're going to make them a long and elastic through the through the treatments. So, now after 3 or 4 days of him doing the treatments, I would ice the tendon a little bit to bring a little inflammation out. I stayed on the anti-inflammatory for a little bit, but then after after making these muscles a little bit longer through the muscle work, that inflammation in the tendon came down. Well, then there was no elbow pain. And I was like, that was the first time in my life since I was that boy playing baseball >> Yeah.
35:04 >> that my elbow pain went away. And I was like, well, [ __ ] can you do it for my shoulder? >> Yes. >> Cuz my shoulder's sore, too. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to lengthen out your pec. I'm going to lengthen out your deltoid. I'm going to lengthen out the muscles in your back that you've created a lot of denseness and stiffness through working out. Now, I'm going to lengthen those out. Well, I didn't have any shoulder pain. And I'm like, well, can you do it on my knees?
35:22 >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I'm going to work on your calves, on your quads, and your hamstrings, and we're going to create space in the knee joints so that the knees aren't in pain. >> Mhm. >> And I was like, it was an unlock for me. >> Yeah. >> So, it was like, okay, once I started getting the right muscle work, it was like, okay, when I go away from you, what do I do? You got to stay really hydrated because I want your muscles to be more like beef tenderloin than beef jerky. If your muscles are like beef jerky and we put tension on that, they're going to tear.
35:49 >> Yeah. >> So, we got to be really hydrated, which how do we get dehydrated? There's a lot of things that dehydrate us. Travel, certain, you know, drink coffee, drink alcohol, dehydrating. You sweat a lot. You go in the sauna, you steam, you sweat a lot. But if you don't rehydrate, your muscles get really dry. You get dry, they tear easy. So, okay, we're going to stay hydrated. We're going to put a lot of electrolytes and trace minerals in what you drink. And then after that, after 3 or 4 years, it was like, well, what do I need to eat?
36:16 Okay, we're going to cut down on the sugars, basically. Anything that can cause inflammation in your body, we're going to try to just cut down on the inflammation. You can have a little bit of, you know, sugar and a little bit, of, you know, you can go out and have fun with your friends, but you just can't overdo it all the time. So, over time it became the right muscle work, the right treatments, the right hydration, the right nutrition. I would take kind of the generic supplements like a multivitamin or a fish oils or things like that. And then finally it got to I did a little brain training exercises which kind of came into vogue. Um and then I changed my workouts a little bit. Instead of doing the as I got older, instead of doing the heavy weights really slow, like a deep squat, I started doing a much more band work that was more elastic and a little bit quicker.
37:02 So, those are probably the major changes. I would say >> How How what kind of period from the time your elbow was hurting you to the time where it was like, "I can't feel anything when I'm throwing?" >> Uh 5 days. >> You're joking. >> Ian, 5 years. I had been in pain for 10 years. And then after this I tear my ACL in 2008. And I should give you another example. Um have Do you guys ever had groin problems?
37:25 >> Yeah, soccer Yeah, hernia like Yeah, your hernia or like an adductor release. >> Yeah. >> Okay, same thing. In 2006, my groin was hurting. I was doing a lot of single leg squats in the gym, which creating a lot of density in my adductors. And then as quarterback, you move laterally a lot. It's not a lot of straight-ahead sprinting. It's more shuffling with your feet. You're dropping back, you're crossing over. So, there was just a lot of tension on my adductors and I was doing a lot of weightlifting cuz I was told So, I go to the after the season, I go and I tell the doctor, "You know, my groin's just really sore all the time. Like every time I move, I can feel it just grab."
38:00 And he says, and I wasn't I was working with Alex a lot. We had developed a relationship over 3 years. But I go to the team doctor and he says, "Well, this is This is what we're going to do. We're going to do an adductor release. So, we're going to go in there, we're going to cut the adductor tendon in your groin. And while we're in there, we're going to cut the other side as well so it never becomes a problem." And I was like, "Okay, that sounds not like what I want to do." So, I called Alex when I left the office. He was out in California, so that's where he was living at the time. He would fly in to see me 2 days every other week.
38:28 And I said, "Alex, I have this The doctor told me to do this adductor release. What do you think?" He was, "Absolutely not. Just fly out here to LA for with me for 3 days and I'll fix it." Fly out there. We worked on the adductors. We lengthened and softened both adductor both adductor muscles, my hips, all my glutes, and basically relieved the tension on the tendon. >> Was it painful to do? >> Yeah, it's I mean, when you have a tight muscle, you have a tight hamstring and someone starts working on your hamstring, it doesn't feel very good.
38:57 But, it gets to the point where after you do it long enough, it does start to feel good. It start There's a lot of relief to the relaxation of the muscle. So, I worked on that He worked on the adductors and then 3 days later, no more pain. The doctor said there's a 99% chance that I'm going to have to cut your adductor tendon at some point. And to this day, nothing. >> the club okay with you visiting different people and the coach Belichick? Were they happy with you seeking kind of >> you know? It's again, it's hard for these coaches to feel like they're not in total control of everybody. I'm sure Alex Ferguson wanted to be in control everything.
39:29 >> He still does, doesn't >> [laughter] >> Sounds like he probably still does. >> I bet he does. I bet he does. Yeah. >> And that's probably a great quality for a coach, but it's also a little bit of a destructive quality for a coach, too. >> What was Belichick like Tommy in that in that sense? Was he >> pretty good with me. No, he was good with me. At times, I think he definitely wanted to be more in control because especially when you're successful as a coach, a lot of people will tell you how great you are. And he was great. There's nobody better in the history of American football than Bill Belichick as a coach. There was nobody I'd rather play for than Bill Belichick as a head coach.
40:03 It doesn't matter It I was a I was a great quarterback. I wasn't right all the time. I made a lot of mistakes. I threw a lot of interceptions. The working relationship we had was always great. He pushed me, I pushed him. There There things he didn't like about what I did. There were some things I didn't like about the way he did. But that's life. That's relationships. Sometimes, you know, you have relationships where not everything's perfect 100% of the time.
40:25 They were right about 95% of the time with Belichick. And like I said, he was so good. Now, when it came to certain points with you know, Tom's getting certain types of treatments and he was it confused him a little bit, but it was never to the point where it you know, bothered us that much. >> Who made the calls, Tom, on the pitch in the big moments? You or him? If you if you're if you're sort of the dynamic the the manager in a football team in England, they would pick the system, they would make the substitutions, but you're out there >> Yeah.
40:54 >> on the pitch in the big moments that you're talking about. You've had so many of them. Who's making those big calls between you and him? Sort of who has that control at that point? >> little both and I think the end of the day when there's nobody more and I think I think this is probably pretty pretty probably the right way in in European football as well. In American football, I think there's nobody more important to winning a game Monday through Saturday than the head coach.
41:23 He is the most important person in the organization preparing the team holding people accountable getting the players to perform on a high level. On game day there's nobody more important to winning than the quarterback. Now, everybody's important on the field on Sunday. The kickers, the punters, the linemen, the D-linemen but the quarterback touches the ball on every play. So, if your quarterback plays better than their quarterback, you have a 90% chance of winning. The coach can't do much on game day.
41:52 He's done his work Monday through Saturday. So, there's always an argument that people talk about in American football. Who was it? The coach or the quarterback? And the reality is you need both. You need both to be exceptional. If there's 32 teams in the league, if you want to be successful over a period of time, you better have a top five quarterback and a top five head coach at the same time. If you have a top five quarterback and a top 20 head coach, you're not going to be successful. That coach is probably going to be fired.
42:20 If you got a top five coach in the 20th best quarterback, you're not going to be successful and they're going to fire the coach. And once you start firing coaches, which I always think is interesting and I'd love to learn from you guys, why do you fire so many coaches all the time? Tottenham had three coaches here. Why is everyone firing everybody? Don't they realize the players play? I'm sure if you have Lionel Messi as your as your as one of your forwards, one of your strikers, that would help. You're not going to lose that much.
42:42 >> No. >> You know what I'm saying? So, it's like all of a sudden we're like, oh no, the coach is responsible for every bits of winning and losing, when to me, the players on the pitch, or the players on the football field, are incredibly [snorts] important to winning. But at the same time, I would say American football, and again, you guys can educate me, there's it's a very tactical game. There's set plays every play. Every play is a set piece.
43:08 >> So, if your set pieces are better than theirs, you're at a big disadvantage. >> Thank you, Tom. >> Thank you, Tom. >> Arsenal fan. They They've They've They've Yeah. >> Tom. >> This is where they lead through set pieces. It is phenomenal. >> You know, Thomas Tuchel would have >> We're going to come on to that cuz you said I remember you talking to me a couple of years ago and you said that it's a series of set pieces in American football and English football, or soccer, is more erratic. It's a bit more free. But Arsenal have got obviously American ownership with the Kroenke family, obviously. And obviously this season they've just won the Premier League title, which is incredible and well done to you and >> Thank you very much.
43:38 >> But they've won it and they've been criticized quite a lot for their set piece excellence, really. >> Yeah. >> You said I remember you saying to me it's a game of set pieces. Do you Does it frustrate you when you watch English football and think that it's needs to be more organized? Cuz you your discipline, your game is everything, isn't it, in the in in the NFL? >> The discipline in the NFL is, you know, it's very complex, American football.
44:01 Like if you were to see the books that I had to prepare for a game, I mean, they were this thick. >> Were you Were you preparing those books yourself? >> the coaches were preparing them. I was taking notes. I was exchanging information. They would give me a lot of plays they like. I would look at them. I'd say, "All right, let's change that. Let's give them back. What do you think about these?" And we worked together for 6 days to put together a a real plan. If our plan was great, well, we just need to go execute the plan. If our plan was poor or generic, it was a lot for the players to overcome.
44:30 I always felt like on our teams, we had really good plans. Now, we weren't right all the time. We were right more than basically anybody else. Tactically, we were better on offense and defense than 95% of the time. So, and if our execution was up to the standards of our tactics, we would win. So, it's just different. When I look at soccer, I look at hockey, you know, these games flow and basketball. >> Yeah. >> You know, so to me, the spectacular players make a huge difference.
44:58 Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, you know, Zlatan. >> Yeah. >> They make a huge difference in the ability for the team to get the ball in the back of the net. When I watch games, I'm like, "God, it seems so hard to get the ball in the back of the net." You know, and then you when you watch like Haaland, it's like he plays this vertical game and every time the ball's sent into the middle of the box, >> Bam.
45:16 >> the ball gets in the goal. So, some point, you got to figure out how to get the ball in the back of the goal. But if there's a lot of defenders back there, you're going to need a lot of height >> Yeah. >> unless you create some counter attack where there's more space and you can make a run. So, you again, you guys know the tactics a lot better than me. I mean, you tell me, is it the players or the coaching or the Not the Let's not call it coaching. The tactics of soccer, how important are they for the team success compared to the skill of the players?
45:45 >> Well, it's still the hardest part of this football, scoring a goal. Obviously, like you said, there's a lot of money goals in it. Coaches are very tactical now. You mention managers, a lot of managers now are going to games very defensively. They're frightened of losing their jobs. You lose three, four games in England, you're getting the sacked. Then there's another Everyone looks at Pep Guardiola. people want to play like Pep. So it's difficult. You need top players. You mentioned Haaland, but there's very few of them around.
46:08 >> Yeah. >> Like ready goal scorers is still the hardest part, isn't it? >> Yeah. I think the main thing is that like now you feel even with Pep and the way they play, it seems very tactical. It seems very There doesn't seem to be like for a player like myself a lot of like individuality kind of like instinctive stuff. You have to be in the right place for that person to be able to come across and I'd find it probably very difficult to play in this time.
46:31 Simply because it does feel very technical and >> as much. It does. It does feel like that when you play. >> flowing as much. >> feel like it's flowing as much and I I I do like like I say, you you watch the World Cup at the moment and you're just seeing things even like Messi's hat trick the other day, the flow and everything and then the score. It just feels a little bit more >> England and the US >> free Yeah, England >> And the US probably the two two teams have been a little bit free, I think.
46:54 >> Just felt like you can just feel the fluidity of it. It feels like it's flowing and I think that football match is always better when a player can be in like especially in the last third and then you can just be It just feels like >> Arsenal. You like Arsenal who have won the league, brilliant achievement, but they're getting heavily criticized for their set pieces. Whereas again, you talk about American football, the special teams, if they produce a big moment, which they do, everyone gets excited going, "What a job you've done."
47:17 Whereas in England, there's still that element of set pieces, it's a bit really it's the perception. Yeah, it's it's a bit boring. >> That's the way they look at it. >> The thing is if you win set pieces every game, if your set pieces are better than theirs, >> That's what I'm saying. >> Honestly, what Arsenal have done. >> If your set pieces are worse than the other team every game, you're at a huge disadvantage. Same in American football.
47:37 We would play on special teams and like Bill Belichick, great a great I think he's the greatest head coach ever. I think he's the greatest defensive coach ever and I think he's the greatest special teams coach ever. He would coach special teams and he came up as a special teams coach. We would win special teams almost every week. It was a great feeling as a quarterback knowing that whenever we kicked the ball, we were gaining an advantage. So, as a quarterback, I don't need to force the ball all the time. I know that if we punt, we're going to change field position. I know that if we get it down there close enough, we're going to make the field goal. I know that on our kickoff returns, we're going to have a chance to score or get us good field position where we could start our drives.
48:17 There's other teams that special teams is an afterthought. And now I'm the quarterback sitting there and the balls we kick the ball off to the other team and they run it back 90 yards for a touchdown. I'm [laughter] like Now I got to run it back out on the field down seven points and I got to drive the team on 12-play drive to go all the way down the field to tie the game. So, it's a very deflating aspect of the sport is when your special teams are a liability. I think if you make it something that's a a true asset to what you're doing and you gain a huge advantage every single time you take the >> What a challenge I was supposed to talk about American football when you're so far away and you got like 50 50 odd seconds you've got to try and get a touchdown and I hear all the commentators someone's got to get out of play. That must be so challenging is it for a quarterback? You get up the pitch but you're keeping an eye on the clock as well you might have one or two times out. I love that multitasking.
49:07 Is that obviously your biggest challenge at the at that moment of time in a big game? >> It's a great feeling. >> Cuz you won a lot of your Super Bowls even it's been like one or two scores in it. It's been tight >> All of them. Nine of the 10. So, my first nine Super Bowls I played in all came down to the last drive of the game. Wow. The last Super Bowl against Kansas City Chiefs and we we finally we blew them out which was amazing feeling like five minutes left in the game and you feel like we got this one.
49:30 But every other game came down to either us scoring to try to win or the other team scoring to try to win. And there's just small margins of error. But I always preferred to have the ball in those situations than to see the other team with the ball. I'd rather have the ball with us trying to drive the ball down the field and it's a really unique position for the quarterback at that time because essentially the coaches are very unimportant at that time. It's all about the quarterback's decision-making and >> But did you love that pressure? That was that your greatness? You thought this is where I come alive.
50:02 >> Yeah, and I thought it was like um you know, quarterbacks are always defined by how they perform in the clutch and how they perform in the big moments. So, I kind of realized like it was almost like a shift in my mind, a paradigm shift where you could look at that situation and be like, "Shit, man, we're losing and the defense couldn't stop and now I got to go out there and I got to go down there and drive them in the game." Or you could say, "Hey, this is exactly what I wanted. Give me the ball and if we go down and score, I get to be the hero today."
50:32 >> Yes. >> And I think that little shift in your mind as an athlete is really important. You could look at it as like this is a negative or this is a positive. And when you make it a positive, you can see on the quarterbacks' faces who really enjoys those moments. And you just see there's a poise, a composure that there's no panic. He's totally in control and that he feels confident that he can go down the field because of his decisions, his play calls, his accuracy, the to go win the game.
50:59 >> And the chemistry with your certain receivers go I'm I'm going to him. >> Oh, yeah. Always. And I would tell them like there's only so much, you know, in football with you know they can it's the the field stays the same forever. They can only defend so much. If, you know, Dan Marino, who's a great quarterback for the Miami Dolphins, used to say, "Can't guard a perfect throw." You know, it's almost like if you make a great strike on a ball and it's in the upper 90. I mean, look if you just hit it perfectly. I in those moments felt like I was so focused and concentrated I could make the best throws I could make in those situations. When there was total freedom to play and make the throws, I felt like you come alive.
51:40 >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Sky [music] Bet. You you win three Super Bowls I think in your first four or five years, and then you don't win one for Is it 10 years? >> 10 years. >> What's Tom like that doesn't win? When you You know, I'm just trying to imagine because >> Oh, angry. >> For that long? >> What are you What are you like when you go home? What are you like when you don't win? What are you like when you Why did you stay for that long? Why did you continue to stay Were you getting >> We were really good still.
52:07 >> You're still good, yeah, but Were you getting offers though, Tom? Were you getting people Were people trying to come and take you away? >> Oh, yeah. And I think our I think our Patriot teams had really two great generational runs. We had There was a 20-year dynasty, but I think there was really like two 10-year dynasties. The first run that we had was kind of one group of players, and then we kind of transitioned and transformed into a second group of players that both had tremendous, you know, winning achievements.
52:35 And we won three Super Bowls in my first four years I played. In 2007, we were undefeated. You know, we had the probably the greatest football team ever. We lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl on some incredible plays the Giants made. One is called the helmet catch, a guy Eli Manning threw the ball up in the middle of the field, guy jumped up, guy who you'd never heard of, caught the ball, stuck it to the back of his helmet, >> Yes.
53:00 >> fell backward, landed on the ground, controlled the ball on his helmet, had his other hand locked up, and they ended up scoring a touchdown and we lost the game. We would have been 19 and 0 and we would have been considered, I think, the greatest football team ever. We lost that year. That was a the most brutal loss of my entire career. And then 2008, I tore my ACL. It was a tough year. 2009 was probably the worst year we had at the Patriots.
53:25 We were We were not very good. 2010, we had one of the great years. We lost in the first round of the playoffs. We were 14 and 2. 2011, we went back to the Super Bowl and lost to the Giants again. And we We a I think a we had a lead in the fourth quarter and we lost that game. We blew it. 2012, we were in the game before the Super Bowl. 2013, we were in the game before the Super Bowl. So, we were >> You were knocking on the door.
53:53 >> Yes, every time. >> Yeah. >> Then 2014, the Seattle game, it felt like, "Oh, here we go again." They got the ball down to the 1-yard line. Malcolm Butler makes interception and we win instead of losing. And then 2015, we were in the game before the Super Bowl, lost to Peyton Manning. They won the Super Bowl. 2016, we won the Super Bowl. 2017, we were in the Super Bowl and lost. 2018, we won the Super Bowl. So, we had just >> Yeah.
54:17 Basically, a question of got to really wasn't it? >> No, it wasn't. It was just me and my coach. What really is an advantage >> every year, yeah. >> Yeah, we were competing and we had tremendous continuity in our program. >> Yeah. >> We had continuity with players. We had continuity with coaches. Continuity is the most underrated thing in sports. I think when you have the same coaches and the same players, you can get really good at the nuances of the game. I think when you decide to change people, you change them mid-year, >> Yeah.
54:44 >> it's There's no accountability at that point. The players feel like, "Well, you know, we run the system. We run the show." Like, a new coach that comes I always like it to like the audio-visual guy. They come in your house and one group installs the TVs and then he's They suck at it. So, you're like, "Oh, I got to get a new audio-visual guy." And this guy comes in and goes, "Well, they rewired everything the wrong way. You know, everything's wired. I can't I got to fix everything."
55:08 And you're like, "Hold on. It's such an easy thing to blame the person that's not in the room." You know, you fire someone, all the coaches are sitting there going, "Well, yeah, it was the guy who's not here anymore. It was his fault for all of this mess." >> I've I've never done that, son. >> [laughter] >> I Either have I. So, I think if you keep the accountability and what you know, do players to in today's age in soccer, do they still want to be held accountable, too? And Alex Ferguson who's saying, "You're not doing good enough. You're not prepared. You're not working hard enough. I need you to train harder. I need you to care more. I need you to take the better care of your body. Are players still responsive to that?
55:45 >> Not as much. Not as much. I mean, were you like that with your teammates, Tom? Were you Were you Were you demanding of your teammates? >> But would you have bust up when you were like losing up in some of these big games? Would there be bust ups in the dressing room with players? No, I would No. You also >> No, I think because we all realized how hard it was to get to where we were getting to.
56:04 >> Right. >> But um >> But if you got sacked a few times, would you be looking at you like >> yeah. >> Here we go. They lads, come on. Give me a chance. >> the [ __ ] up. Let's go. And what the [ __ ] we doing? Like, why why are we [ __ ] up? And then let's fix it and play harder, play better, get more intensity, get more urgency. Let's go. And I think when your best player is someone that every day is getting you going, getting you going, getting you going.
56:25 >> Yeah. >> If you came in here and you're like, all right, what are we doing today? Who's prepared? Who's not? Well, >> Mhm. >> no one has to really be prepared. But if I came in there with energy, enthusiasm, urgency, we don't [ __ ] that play up. We don't mess one up. Come on, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Well, other guys, they know when they walk in the building in the morning, they better be ready to go.
56:45 So, I can't be out at 11:00 at night if I know that Tommy's in there the next morning. So, that accountability from a player means a lot to an organization. I think when you have players that >> Like a Kobe Bryant. That's what Kobe >> Kobe, Michael Jordan. I mean, all you you can go Steph Curry. You can't have an off day. You know, you have to >> environment. You need a great environment. I think that's key.
57:08 >> And that environment lifts everybody. And even for the people that don't want to be pushed that hard, it actually drags them along. >> Tom, I've listened to you quite a bit. And do you Did you ever lose your confidence? What was your What was a point in your career where you just felt like you didn't want the You said before you want the You wanted the ball in in your hands in the big moments. But was there a point where you went under a little bit where you lost confidence, where you were like >> In college?
57:30 >> In college. Yeah. Because I wasn't the best, I had to develop a lot of confidence in myself and I looked at I went to Michigan. It was a great program. I had a very challenging five years at Michigan where I was growing into the athlete that I wanted to be and I would very much make a lot of excuses why I wasn't performing at my best. And there was a sports psychologist there named Greg Harden.
57:58 And Greg said to me, he called me in his office and he was a great asset to the organization. Unfortunately, Greg passed away about a year ago. He was a sports psychologist. Yeah. And he said, "Why don't you quit bitching about all the things you're not getting and how about you do do the best with whatever opportunities you get? You know, stop worrying about what the other quarterbacks getting, stop worrying about what the coach is saying to you. Every time you get in there, you bring the juice. You bring the energy. You bring the enthusiasm. You treat practice like a game.
58:28 Because if you just decide to go out there and you're blaming everybody else, where does that get you? So, I started to change my attitude and I didn't have a lot of confidence in myself. And when you don't have a lot of confidence in yourself, you blame other people. And then all of a sudden when you gain confidence in yourself, you start pointing the finger at yourself. And I would encourage every athlete to look in the mirror after every day of practice, of game and say, "What can I do better to help the team?
58:53 What can I do better? Not what does the coach need to do better, what does my teammates need to do need to do better, what do I need to do better?" And if you show up every day with that attitude, every player will and every player does that, you're going to have an incredible team. So, I through college it was hard and I had to change my attitude. And when I started performing better because my attitude was better, I started gaining more confidence.
59:18 You can't have a false confidence and you don't only gain your confidence because of your physical ability. You gain your confidence because you're prepared, because you're competitive. And then you see those things start to transform into better performance on a daily basis. When I got to the pros, a lot of people never had those challenging adversities. They just felt like, well, if I show up, I'm better than everybody. >> Yes. >> So, all you just do is show up? Well, I didn't have that ability. I couldn't just show up and be a better than everybody. I had to show up prepared. I had to show up with energy. I had to show up with my body feeling right. I had to show up you know, like I was on a mission. So, then when I got to the pros, everyone's like, who the [ __ ] this guy?
60:01 >> Mhm. >> But that helped that you were drafted so late. Was there less pressure on you? >> It Yeah, that first year. I was drafted late, so there was no fan expectation. You know, I was really under the radar my first year. I got to train and develop my body through my first year. And then when I got my chance, I always said, if they ever give me a chance, they're never going to take me off the field. Because I had learned through college that I needed to be the most competitive. I had to be the most urgent. I had to be like a coach on the field. Then all the players started really respecting that.
60:34 When especially because the Patriots were one of the losingest organizations in the NFL before I got there. Then all the players who were there, they saw me come in and they're like, hey, >> Mhm. >> you keep it up. I like what you're doing. Just don't let anyone change you. You keep going. And I had little veteran players that came up to me that was like, we had we don't have this right now. And this guy that bring in, he's us all better because the way he's showing up.
60:59 >> Mhm. >> And that's what I That's what you call culture. You know, I think people that are culture drivers, they drive the culture. You need culture drivers on a team. And culture is about values. What values does Gary have? What values does Ian have? What values does Roy have? Are your values work ethic, preparation, caring about your teammates, discipline? If you have those values, then you have all of us. Well, that creates a culture. So, I brought a different values that the team had seen. Players that felt similar to me began to adopt those and then we transformed, I would say, a losing culture to a winning culture along with our coaches, along with a lot of other players on our team. Tedy Bruschi, Willie McGinest I mean, I could name 20 guys that were kind of like me, but had not had a chance to really grow and >> you. You Your timing going in there they were just a bit bit tired, a bit flat and you thought, "Yeah, brilliant."
61:52 >> Exactly. And when they came in, it was like oh, man. And then we started winning and then the great part about winning is it reinforces the behaviors. People realize that if I make the investment of time and energy and if I change my attitude, if I don't go out at night, if I don't party as much, you mean we win? Oh, well, there's an investment that pays off. >> Yeah. >> If I begin to do the right things and it pays off, well, then everybody wins. I think the hard part is when you're a coach or you're a someone trying to change a culture, I'm telling you Roy, Eamonn, Gary, let's not go out, let's study and then you lose. Everyone's like, "Why did we do that?
62:32 >> Yeah. >> Why don't we just go out and have fun?" So, the challenging part is if you try to push people to be uncomfortable and change and be better and you don't get the results, it's very hard for people to stick to those cuz most people aren't very self-motivated. You were. You were. You were. You woke up every day going "God, what do I got to do? How can I be better?" And you brought that every day, which is why you look at your career and you're probably so satisfied with what you accomplished.
62:58 But, a lot of people I think they leave a lot out there. I think most people probably only accomplish 50% of what they're capable of because they're not in that environment that pushes them to be successful. So, how can we create environments for people to be successful? You need accountability. >> But, why are so many organizations and teams in England and sports teams all over the world suffering because it sounds easy, doesn't it, what you're saying? Yeah, that environment, but a lot of teams don't have it.
63:23 >> Yeah. >> They don't have it. >> High-performing environments are are hard. And they're hard because there's a degree of being uncomfortable every day. When Alex Ferguson showed up, you were uncomfortable when he walked in the room because he had a perfection about the way that he expected you to perform. When Bill Belichick walked in the room, everyone sat up. >> Yeah. >> Because they didn't want to be called out for being shitty on the field. They didn't do their job well, and there was going to be a coach that said, "I told you what to do. What are you not doing? Where's the effort? Why are you not running on that play?" And you're in there and all front of all your friends.
64:03 And most guys just want to they want to be really comfortable. I think, you know, in the NFL, we play mostly on Sundays. Most organizations want everyone to be happy and comfortable Monday through Saturday. And everyone's happy, and everything's going to be good. And then on Sunday, you go and you get your ass kicked. And then everyone's uncomfortable. But then Monday through Saturday, everyone's happy again because oh, it's a new week. Belichick made Monday through Saturday uncomfortable.
64:29 Every day was hard. So that Sunday, everyone won. And we were all happy that we won on Sunday, which is ultimately what we should be. >> Did you ever have a go at you, Tom? Did you ever Was he ever calling you out? Was he ever >> Yeah. >> He was. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> "Do your job" once to someone? And famous like a Is that famous? Is that just Is that not >> That was his mantra for 20 years. He said, "Do your [ __ ] job."
64:52 is what he said. >> that line. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> And he said, >> That's [ __ ] into it, right? >> Exactly. >> I love that. >> And he said, "No one else can do it for you. You have to do it. If this is your job, there's no one else that has that job. You have that job. You need to do it. Don't worry about everyone else's job. Do your job." So that was just his mantra. Look, if you were the running back coach, >> Mhm. you coach the running backs to the best of your ability. If you were the quarterback, you do that. You know, so the standard was X The standard was perfection.
65:25 We settled for excellence. And excellence was good enough to win 75% of the time. We weren't We didn't win 50% of the time. We won 75% of the time. But the difference between winning 75% of the time and winning 50% of the time is an entirely different level of accountability, of discipline, of work ethic. >> We had we had a We had a captain Tony Adams. And like, you know, people all shouting and just before they go and I remember Tony used to say that just before you go out, he'd get really angry and scream like, "Just do your effing jobs. You know exactly what you're doing. Effing job." And it's one of those It either jolts you into You have to make sure Let me make sure that first one sticks. I make sure that it's tough.
66:05 And that was I remember that he said that nearly every time at some stage, but then there were times where he'd say it with real venom. >> Yeah. >> Like, you know, he's he's don't want to hear the [ __ ] He just Just do your jobs. You know what your jobs are. >> Yeah. >> Quite That's quite interesting. >> Yeah. I think it just creates the urgency that people need to, you know, like a You know, we always look at like the military and there's such like a correlation to sports a lot cuz, you know, everyone wears uniforms and everyone's treated the same way and you have a drill sergeant who's the coach and then you have a mission and you got to go accomplish that and it's dangerous.
66:37 >> Yes. >> And I think there's a lot of ways like human behavior, we do perform pretty well in those environments, you know? But again, in sports, especially now because of these phones and everybody has social followings and everybody can tweet something and everybody can express their own belief, I think that creates not necessarily the team environment. Because the team environment, when you subscribe to a team, and you come on my team, a good teammate to me says, "How do I not let down my other teammates and how do I put my individual goals behind the team goals?
67:14 But I think when you have a social media following or you have a contract or money, everyone in your life tells you, "What do you get first?" as opposed to do the team goals come first and do your teammates come first? And I think the best teams, like I watch some of these teams like Argentina. They play so well together as a team. Even the other night, you know, it's like you could tell Messi's >> He's that guy.
67:38 >> Incredible. I mean, he's, you know, arguably [clears throat] the best player to ever play the game. But it's not like every ball goes to him. They, the ball goes around and when it comes to him and he's got a shot, he says, "If he doesn't like it," he puts the ball to someone else. They all celebrate together. They, they look like a team. You know, and there's other teams that don't quite look like a team. It looks like they try to get to the star player all the time. And then >> They will do anything to win Argentina.
68:01 Argentina will do anything. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to [music] you by Sky Bet. >> Tommy, you were 199th pick, but you've just for a the Raiders had the first draft pick. Fernando, Fernando Mendoza? >> Yeah. >> Is it Raiders? >> Yeah. >> What did I say? >> Yeah. >> You said the Raiders. >> He said the Raiders. >> [laughter] >> What did I say? >> You did good. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Thank thank you.
68:27 >> You did really well. >> So the Raiders >> You did really >> A high achiever. >> [laughter] >> You're 199th pick. You've just drafted the first pick. Yeah. Is that that Is that the opposite of you said that you actually worked for you because it took the pressure off you? Is the pressure now on this lad? Is it Is How How does he cope with that? How do you help him? >> A lot of pressure and a lot of mentoring. And I always have a lot of There was another guy who's one of my favorite quarterbacks to ever play, Peyton Manning.
68:53 >> Peyton Manning. >> Peyton was my age, a little older than me. Um he was the first overall pick. >> Was he? >> And he had a tremendous amount of expectation. >> Yeah. >> And he was like the first prospect out of high school to go to college. So, his dad was a great player in the pros. So, even through high school everyone knew about Peyton Manning. Then he gets recruited to University of Tennessee, great football school. All this hoopla around him.
69:19 He delivers. He's the number one overall pick. He's drafted by the Indianapolis Colts. Tremendous expectation around him. And what I appreciate and love about Peyton is he always outperformed his expectation. It was tremendous talent that he had to be able to do that. And you know, he was a he was very much like me, process-oriented, tough, disciplined, driven, accountable. And I'd say that path is harder than the path that I took. My path was challenging in different ways.
69:54 Peyton, if he failed, everyone saw it right away. And he had to take that on and he superseded all those expectations because of his will and determination. And I I love that about him. So, the Fernando who we chose, he's got that same expectation. Now, fortunately he has me there to help mentor him. And look, at the end of the day, >> There's only so much you can do for him. >> Yes. And at the same time, you know, Roy, whether you're on the field, whoever you're on the field with, you just need them to play well. It's not like you are passing the ball to someone going, "Hey, that guy is the 8.2 rated guy and that's the 7.
70:32 Whoever's out there is out there. No one cares. And I think >> advice to him, Tom? What's your advice? What have you Have you been speaking to him regularly? >> Yeah, I talk to him all the time. Um and I a lot of times I ask questions about what he needs in terms of his development and um again, I I see it as three different buckets. There's a physical development, the actual skill throwing the football, dropping, how you're training, how you're eating, all the physical parts.
70:58 There's the mental part. What do you know about the plans? What do you know about all the plays, your reads, your drops, your footwork, the strategy? How can I teach you and develop you all the toolkits you're going to need to get us in the right play. And then the emotional part is I think the always the touchy part about sports and athletes. You know, the emotional part of all of us that one day we perform great and the next day it's still the same guy. We still are smart, but emotionally we just don't feel that good today. Why not? You know, why can't we repeat great performance every day? So, the emotional part is there's an emotional volatility to all of us and I think the more you can minimize that, the better you >> Why did you pick him? Cuz you mentioned when you were drafted, obviously people probably like scouting, people focus on what you couldn't do maybe instead of going, "No, let's focus on the potential, obviously." What do you see in this guy do you think?
71:51 I know you said there's a few things went into the mix, but is there something that your gut feeling going, this Like Jordan, the great movie about Michael Jordan, taking risks, happy to take a pressure in the last second of every kind of game that he's he's involved in. What What have you seen in this guy you thought And I'm sure there's other people involved in the decision-making. But is there something one thing you looked at you went, "Let's go for this kid."
72:10 >> He was great and I think we were very fortunate on our team to have that first overall pick this year. I think over the scouting process since the college season ended, he did an incredible job of making it very clear to everyone that he was um the best prospect for the next level. And it's certainly we are at a a place on our team where we needed a quarterback. So, he was the most developed prospect and the best quarterback this year. It was very natural for us to select him. But once you're selected, it doesn't matter. Now you're just a member of the team. Now you have to develop him. And I think most people and there probably a lot of fans, they think just cuz you get a player on the team, well, now he's going to be great. Well, no, there's a lot of development that still needs to happen.
72:57 Like I said, my first year I got drafted 199. By my second year, it didn't matter where I was drafted. Now, [ __ ] I was out going to go kick ass. So, like to me, I don't give a [ __ ] you were the first round pick. Guess what? As a 199th pick, I loved beating the first round picks. Put another I loved you How good was that guy in college? I'm going to kick his ass next.
73:17 >> I wasn't a first round pick. I wasn't a first pick, Tom. >> You were. >> No, I wasn't first. >> Oh, that's all right. I know. Yeah, that's what we [laughter] have in common. I think we like each other a lot. I mean, I like you a lot because I think you always >> Yeah. >> had between ears. And I think you were a great team player and you had tremendous ability to, you know, bring the whole locker room together and fill all the voids and >> fill the void where >> Tell him, Tom. He's very self-deprecating. He always does that.
73:39 Brings himself down. >> But I think the part is there's a lot of really important people that always when 1 + 1 = 3 with certain players, you know? And you lift everybody up by your style of play and humility, work ethic I think create the best team environment for people to succeed. Not to mention you're a great player. >> And can I ask you a question? What's the expectation of the Raiders this year? What would be what you're expecting? Are you expecting good things or is it still early?
74:05 >> I'm expecting you know, I would expect a lot of improvement from where it's been. I mean, we last year it's we were we just underperformed in every area. And it's everybody's fault. That's the reality. There's nobody who did a good job. There's not one player in the organization. There's not anybody involved that did the job to the to the level that needs to be done at. And everybody needs to improve. And it starts with me and it filters down to the rest of the players on the field and they got to go out there and ultimately they got to perform at a high level.
74:34 >> Would that be winning five, six, seven games, playoffs or is that all a bit >> I mean, I don't just improve just a massive improvement. >> improvement. And I would expect daily improvement. And I'd expect hourly improvement. I really would. Every day that goes by when you're on a good team, every day and every week goes by, you should be better. Like, a good team should be better at the end of the season than the beginning of the season, or you're not a good team. If you have more time together and more practice and you're getting worse, something's wrong.
75:00 If you have more time, more practice, you should be getting better. Now, the problem is the off-season, you change players, you change coaches, and now you've got to rebuild to where you were. Like, a lot of the teams I played on, the best game we played all season was the last game of the year. That says to me a lot about what the team's all about. >> Yeah. Peaking at the right time. >> Peaking at the right time.
75:20 >> Tom Brady, what about I'm guessing here. Now, I'm guessing it I want to mention Tampa. >> Yeah. >> You obviously win a lot, obviously, at the Patriots. But then, to sort of what would be rid this myth that you only won cuz you're at the Patriots and Bella- you go to Tampa and you win the Super. Is that your greatest achievement there? Do you would you see that as your greatest achievement, winning a sort of Super Bowl somewhere else?
75:41 >> Yeah, I think it was icing on the cake. Cuz, I mean, my I was blessed. I I had so many great teammates and part of so many winning teams. It was uh I mean, I would never change anything about my career. That was That was I had so much fun in Tampa. I could not imagine ending my career and not having the experience in Tampa. To play there three seasons, to go to a different conference, cuz the NFL is two conferences, an American Football Conference and a National National Football Conference. For 20 years, I played in the AFC. 3 years in the NFC.
76:13 I went to a a warm weather state in Florida. I played in a cold weather state in the Northeast. And then, I played it was much more of a passing environment, and I loved that. And I played with some of the greatest players I ever played with. Um it was it was a magical experience. And I learned a lot, because I learned that what we did at the Patriots was really unique, too. What we had developed over 20 years was awesome. And then, I got to see another place where I was kind of like, "This is different." And I could take the good things I learned from New England, try to apply them in another place, see the success, now I'm involved in the Raiders, now how do I recreate the success that I was able to have with even a different team, but in a different role. So, it was great learning for me.
76:58 >> This episode [music] of Stick to Football is brought to you by Sky Bet. Tom, are you enjoying Birmingham? Are you enjoying the football? Are you enjoying that side of it? Or is it frustrating for you? Is it like >> No, I love it. I love the competition. Um We had our first year season was terrible. We changed There were four different manager changes. I spoke about how I feel about that. We hired a really good manager in our second year, Chris Davies. We're in League One. We had an awesome season. And then the Championship is tough. And we got to the Championship this year. A lot of change in player, the quality of the player I think has been better.
77:31 Um we just could never quite get on a run with the right momentum. The Championship was tough. >> It's really tough. It's a tough league. >> It's a tough league. And you know, it's just those environments are tough. And you got to put together like what Coventry did this year was amazing. >> Yeah. >> Um Obviously great playing. They scored so many goals. Talk about They They made it look easy this year. >> they got promoted over there.
77:53 >> but it was just it's a it's a tough league. And you know, again, I think I really I watch a lot of Premier League, you know, every Saturday I got it on TV. I'm watching you know, as many games as I can. It's just I love sports and I love the competition and I love seeing players perform at the highest level. >> Which Yeah, sorry. Stop. >> No. >> I was going to say which >> quarterbacks, sorry now. Which quarterbacks do you love watching now?
78:13 >> I love watching all of them probably for different reasons. I love watching um Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford. >> Um I They're just tremendous. Uh Jared Goff I like watching. Um very different player than me, but Lamar Jackson. He was He was I don't know how he does it. It's incredible. Josh Allen. I love watching Josh Allen play. Um I love watching Joe Burrow play. There's a lot of guys who do it >> I used to love Eli Manning.
78:38 >> Really? I hated the way Eli did anything. >> just kidding. >> [laughter] >> No, you know I love There's a real shyness and a real kind of like introvert kind of energy about him, which was really quite nice, especially when you know the family and where he's come from, but he had a real nice kind of like don't even want to look you in the eye kind of >> Was he your nemesis? Was he like the sort of like the New York Giants obviously beat you twice and Was he like the sort of the the rivalry?
79:01 >> They had I mean >> [laughter] >> Cuz he >> I love Eli. You and I actually have a really fun relationship. So, and I'm I take nothing away from what they accomplished. Um and on the two games we played them in the Super Bowl, they played better than we did. Um >> But >> But we played consistently better than them always. >> [laughter] >> But then there was They just come with a game and they just on that particular And I swear to God, some games they they would play so bad and I'd be like And then they and then they would see our little Patriot helmets come on the field and they would turn into >> Turn it up.
79:35 >> incredible and I would say unbelievable. >> In the FA Cup, like someone plays against United and they're playing in the second division, they beat you all of a sudden, then the next week they lose against someone. >> Exactly. And they were, you know, the Giants have had a great franchise, too, and like defensively they were great. And Eli's Eli, to his credit, in those Super Bowls played great football. He played his you know, a couple of his best games in the big game.
79:59 >> And remember what you're talking about somebody Look at Look at his brother is, you know what I mean? Look at who >> I know. >> This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. Look at who he's playing >> And they have a nephew now that's going to be the first overall pick, probably one of the top quarterbacks taken. He goes to University of Texas now. Incredible. They had the dad, the two brothers, and now the nephew.
80:17 >> I don't know. I just Where Where would you put him? Is he Is he in the mix, yeah? >> I love Aaron. I think there's no greater passer of the football than Aaron Rodgers. It would be like someone kicking the ball. I mean, there's certain people like, you know, I love Roberto Carlos, the Brazilian, like the way that he kicked that ball. Holy I mean, there's certain people you're like >> Yeah. >> You see everyone do it and then you see one person throw the ball that much better. I mean, Aaron Rodgers was incredible. He's hard to put into words what how incredible he passes the ball.
80:49 >> Yeah. >> The ball, the way it comes out of his hand, the way that it spins and delivers with the pace and with the accuracy. I think like there's only >> They're coming out of the example. >> There's only probably three people in the history of the NFL that could do it like him. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Well, if you made it to the World Cup, you went to the Brazil-Morocco game. >> Yeah. >> You enjoy it with your family?
81:10 >> Great time, Brett. Had all three of my kids. >> Yeah. >> And I sat with my buddy Michael Rubin, who's a great buddy of mine. We're going to be at the World Cup final together here in New Jersey. Um but I love watching Brazil soccer. I always grew up in the probably I was always a soccer fan. My my middle sister played. We all played growing up here. >> Um but I loved the Brazilian national team and I loved watching Ronaldo, the original Ronaldo, play. And uh he was so You guys probably played against him a bunch. I mean, what a player. And then I just love watching that team. I have two Brazilian kids, so we were all cheering them on.
81:41 >> Brilliant. Brilliant. >> I don't know how good they're going to be. I mean, they didn't look good. >> No. No, they weren't great. >> No, no, no. >> Well, you were at the game. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, but they might they'll get better, I think. >> Yeah. >> As the tournament goes on. Tom, we always do a little quiz at the end. Right? >> Oh god. >> No, no, it's not on you. So, we've got some myth busters. Do you want to do these myth busters?
81:57 >> hear it. Okay. >> Cristiano Ronaldo So, this is Is this true or false on Tom? >> Okay. >> Did Cristiano Ronaldo convince Tom to come out of retirement? >> You don't Is that >> Did he convince him? I had a chat with him. >> It sounds like something that they they convinced him. Two at that level, they could probably give him a call. >> But not convinced. That's a bit strong. Might have encouraged him. >> To convince him.
82:20 >> So, do we have to say con- like >> The question's convinced. I said the word convinced. Did he influence? I'll say influence. you influence >> Influence I'd I'd say influence maybe. >> Okay, yeah maybe cuz you did meet him at Old Trafford and you have to be got a hat trick. >> Did he influence did he in >> Tom did he influence you to did he influence you to come out of retirement? >> No. >> [ __ ] >> I knew he did.
82:40 >> He did. >> He's like Kezzer. >> He's [ __ ] he's [ __ ] us in there. >> He's [ __ ] us in Frozen Style. >> He's just listening to me for an hour not a mentality of a great of a great >> I know but like you don't know. >> He said I would have just had a nice chat with him after the game. >> You have one of the largest sports cards collections in the world.
82:57 >> Sports cars or cards? >> Cards cards >> Cards >> I'd say yeah. >> He has an investment is >> I'd say I figure it sounds like something yeah it did. Yeah I'm going to go with yeah with that one yeah. >> Yeah Tom we love your watch collection by the way we're obsessed with the watch. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Cards the cards ask for me. >> Yes we think have you got to >> Yeah.
83:14 >> Nice. >> So what what do you collect then? What >> Number one card >> Baseball football baseball football and basketball cards. >> Big business isn't it? >> Yeah it's a great business. >> I was I went to the >> I own 16 shops around America. I'm going to Mar de Can see I'm actually going to probably see some of the English English players yeah. Um but I'm opening a shop in Kansas City tomorrow. >> Oh brilliant.
83:32 >> Yeah 16th one. >> It's I went to a cuz of the Yankees. >> It's someone said we got a card Tom we got a card right? >> Yeah. >> It's going to get evaluated. >> This one here. >> It's one of you Tom. Can you pass that on to Tom? >> Tom I got it right just pass that on to Tom it's him. >> I don't know whether it's a good one or a bad one or an indifferent one Tom.
83:47 >> They are pretty good. >> It looked good to me. >> Yeah. >> It's one of you Tom huh? >> Love it. >> Let me see it Tom. >> Uh It's a great card. >> Okay. >> 2014 I was at the AFC Championship game against the Colts. >> Josh you've got one of those memories that like remembers every match every play it's like ridiculous. >> You can see it all. >> Shh >> [snorts] >> Tom fell asleep in the locker room before his first Super Bowl.
84:12 >> It's a strange thing to say so I'm going to say maybe it's true. >> I don't have it. >> No he's spinning it that he was having >> No it's all an act. >> No but like >> I don't I don't have him falling asleep. >> I don't feel like he falls >> So I think for all he said in the last 7 and 1/2, he was out the night before. >> [laughter] >> He's bladdered.
84:29 >> Have you heard of that? >> Bladdered. >> Bladdered. >> Absolutely. >> [laughter] >> Drunk. >> I love you, man. >> Bladdered. You have the best words. >> I mean, your words are unbelievable. I don't know what the hell they mean, but >> Don't say he did power nap. I say he did power nap. Is that a sleep or power nap? >> Tom, is it true or false? >> Yeah. >> No way. >> False, because you don't sleep ON THE JOB.
84:47 >> IT'S POWER NAP. >> HE'S being a nose. He knows what he needs to do. >> It's not like snoozing with a pillow for 2 hours. He's just having like 10 minutes. >> So, just explain what Obviously, the NFL dressing rooms are massive. They're like huge things. And how many people How many players are in there? >> Uh 60. >> Right. Okay. So, how would Where have you fallen asleep in this? >> Right in front of my locker. So, there was a long pre-game show because it was the year of 9/11. It was the February after that. It was a long pre-game show.
85:10 We warmed up early, and I came in and I was like, "I'm going to lay down." And I fell asleep for a power nap. >> Beautiful. >> That boy. >> Yeah. >> Irish brother. >> Right here. >> Nice. I love that. >> What's the greatest Super Bowl halftime halftime show of all time? I love watching them. >> Michael Jackson. >> Michael Jackson's. You can't beat that. Prince. >> Prince was good. >> Michael Jackson, I think. >> Coldplay were good.
85:33 >> Great. >> Put on a good show, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You released Tom recently released a drink >> you do? How do you watch a Super Bowl when you're in England? You're watching at midnight? >> Midnight till 3:30 in the >> You're watching midnight till 3:30 in the morning. >> Yeah. >> Brilliant. >> Incredible. It's a great show. >> Yeah. >> It's a great show. >> You recently released a coconut water drink called Good Nuts. He released a coconut water drink called Good Nuts.
85:55 >> Good Nuts. >> Yeah. >> Good Nuts. >> Good Nuts. >> Good Nuts sounds quite >> It does sound coconut. Oh, it's coconut, yeah. >> Yeah. >> But, it sounds good nuts. >> [laughter] >> It's a good nut. >> It's a good nut. >> Is it Did Tom release a drink? Tom's got lots of businesses, didn't >> It's important he doesn't even know it. >> I uh >> [laughter] >> What does he say? >> to say it's true, yeah.
86:14 >> Is it true? >> True. >> Yeah. >> Talk to us about Good Nuts. >> Chocolate Good Nuts. >> Chocolate Good Nuts. >> Beautiful >> nut. It's good. >> I love it. That's for me now. Chocolate good nut. That's all me. I should be promoting that. [laughter] >> Tom loves a dollar. >> Tom, you get you So, you're over here, by the way, that's the thing. You get called over here, we get called pundits. >> Yeah.
86:36 >> You get called a lead color commentator. >> [laughter] >> Is that because you're more articulate than we are? And Tom, you >> Pundit sounds so negative. >> Yeah, but >> And you said a lot of you know what's actually made a lot of American soccer fans is Ted Lasso. >> Ted Lasso. >> I mean, that's brought so many soccer I mean, my dad watches it. >> I watch it. >> It's amazing. My wife loves it.
86:57 >> It's a magnificent show. Football's just a vehicle. >> Tom, your punditry contract gets released over here. >> I know. How much? >> Why do they do that? >> I don't know. >> Crazy. >> What do your contracts look like? >> Tom, they're not >> Not as good as yours, Tom. >> They're not three They're not 375 million dollars, Tom. >> [laughter] >> No, but I I just >> I can tell you that. >> No, but I'm going to be like the Obviously, the BBC, they they have to say what people are earning, but where Why do people have to know >> I got called for >> No, people shouldn't have to know >> Even in sports, why do they I mean, you look at every contract or anything, you just go and you look at every player, and you realize But where why why would >> If my contract was worth that much, I'd be Oh, you can release it after you know >> [laughter] >> I had a I had a building night for $400.
87:37 It'll take me 6 months to >> It's all for the love of the game. >> [laughter] >> Of course. >> Of course it is. >> Tom, your your um NFL contracts were publicized as well, weren't they? So, what what was the biggest contract you ever signed? Uh would it be the Patriots or would it be Tampa? >> Yeah. Um probably with Tampa. >> And was that 3 years? >> 3 years, probably like 27, 28 million a year.
88:01 >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> So, that's 90 million. >> Now, these guys are making 55 million. >> Oh, yeah. >> There's quarterbacks now. Patrick Mahomes just signed an extension for Look at us now, we're talking about money. >> Are you thinking of >> 55, 60 million. >> Could you go back and play for a season now? You look fit as hell, obviously. Do you think you could go back for what Have you thought about it? Would you do it?
88:20 >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No, finished. >> Yeah. >> Finished. >> Unless he speaks to Ronaldo, and he >> [laughter] >> You guys have no fun on this show. I don't >> [laughter] >> Listen, this is balls. I can't believe they're paying you guys. I mean, let's keep it real. >> Tom hates being called the goat. >> Yeah, I'll say that. >> I could agree with that. I don't like it myself. >> He's a humble guy. He won't like >> Do you hate being called the goat?
88:42 >> No, cuz he doesn't. >> Yeah. >> But you are. I mean, it's >> I'm I did my best. >> Yeah. Congratulations to Robin, our ITV 7 winner, who scooped 50,000 pounds by correctly predicting all of her ITV 7 [music] selections for England versus Croatia. Next time, it could be you. Download the ITV 7 app and get your predictions in [music] now. This is basically we've got a name, the seven most followed athletes on Instagram.
89:13 >> Okay. >> This should be easy. >> Unless this is part of our charity. >> Is it because we struggled so much on this >> Is it because we struggled so much on the other >> All right, good. >> Is it because we struggled so much on the other >> Easy, right? Look. >> Obviously, Ronaldo and Messi. >> So, written in Ronaldo is one. >> Ronaldo's one. >> Ronaldo's one. >> Well, it it doesn't matter where they are. Just >> locking that in.
89:30 >> Locking Ronaldo one. >> And then there could be Americans as well. >> Okay, I'll definitely be American basketball. >> Ronaldo is number one. >> up there. >> I think Messi will be Messi will be in there. >> I've got Messi locking in. >> Yeah, Messi. >> Do you have to be playing? Are they currently playing? Are they playing? >> No, no, it's just >> ever. They could be >> Tom Brady. >> No, no. I don't How many have you got, Tom?
89:47 >> No, no, no. >> How many have you got? >> Tom Brady not on there? >> 15 million. >> It's big. >> No, it's not big. >> Hold on, it's big. Messi. >> Messi. >> Locking Messi >> Yeah, Messi's number two. >> Beck's must be on it. >> Not sure. He's only 80. I think only 80, I mean. >> It's a lot of people. >> What? >> Well, no, but compared to 508 >> LeBron LeBron LeBron James LeBron James >> LeBron James, yes, number five. LeBron James, how many?
90:08 >> 154 >> Michael Jordan >> No. >> No. >> No, Michael won't be on the list. >> Oh, Virat Kohli, the cricket player. >> All [snorts] right, you're right. >> Oh, of course. >> That's an amazing >> Virat Kohli is number three. >> What's your dream team? You're making a quiz team. >> Look at the difference though, that's insane. >> That's crazy. >> So, there's no >> There'll be another Indian cricketer on there, you know. >> Could it be a boxer?
90:27 >> I mean, what about >> No, no boxer. >> baseball >> What about What's about >> three lives, by the way. >> What about >> Mahomes, wouldn't he not be on it? Is he on the list or something? No, definitely not. >> Mahomes >> wouldn't have that many. >> No. >> 5 million >> the main Indian cricketer? >> Steph Curry >> What's the main >> That's got a shot here. >> What's his name, Ben? >> What would you What's the young lad who's the cricketer?
90:45 >> Like Serena would probably be the most, right? >> Maybe. >> Rory McIlroy, is Rory on the golf or >> No, no, Rory not. >> Wait for you to lock it in. >> You shouldn't me down with all my shouts. >> It would have to be soccer players. >> I think Steph Curry would What would you think Steph Curry would be more than Beck- Becks would be 88, I think. Do you think Steph Curry would be more?
91:01 >> Steph is below that. >> Is he below that? >> Yeah. >> Formula 1? >> No, he Lewis Hamilton. >> It'll be American football, basketball. >> think it'd be American football. >> No, basketball. >> Not Lewis Lewis Ham- not Lewis Hamilton. Sorry, he's not on the list, he shouldn't be. >> I would say it'd be a soccer player. >> Soccer player? >> No. >> Yeah, he will. >> Domenico >> Oh, maybe. >> He's young enough. >> Maybe.
91:23 >> It wouldn't be Bellingham. >> Is Zlatan big on Would he >> Zlatan's big. >> He's big in it. >> No, he wouldn't be on it. >> Zlatan is so good. >> There's no other basketball >> May- maybe we go Becks, by the way. >> Yeah. >> Maybe go David Beckham, maybe. >> That's like >> Well, look, David Beckham is number seven. >> Nice one, Becks. Well done, Becks. >> I called that one. >> 87 >> I seen a few of his >> I like the writing on this, isn't it?
91:42 It's special writing. >> It's best writing, yeah. >> We hooked up >> When you were talking before about throwing the ball, Beck- the way Becks kicked the ball was similar to what you were describing before as throwing the ball. Like there's very few people can kick a ball as perfectly as that. >> Yeah. >> He could do everything >> do everything with it, really. >> I think there's another Indian cricketer. What's the other famous Indian cricketer?
92:02 Tendulkar? >> Tendulkar >> yeah. >> Oh I forget his name for a second. >> Yeah but he's not giving us anything. >> You've got three lives you don't need any. >> One Indian cricketer. >> I'm not going to tell you. You've got three lives. >> What about yeah Tendulkar Sachin? >> This is hard. >> Sachin Tendulkar? >> No no I think I think there's a current one that's he's not the keeper uh. >> No. >> It would be a real just from the Real Madrid players have unbelievable followings and Barcelona.
92:30 >> You think Mbappe? >> Maybe Mbappe. Maybe Mbappe. >> Can we just say Mbappe because we've got three lives. >> I think it's also Mbappe. >> Let's go Mbappe. >> Tom you're absolutely right. >> What would we do without you here Tom? >> Wow. >> Real Madrid and Barcelona players have got phenomenal followings. >> Oh it could be Neymar. >> Junior. >> Neymar Junior. >> You're correct. >> [screaming] >> You know what you got all of them.
92:59 >> [laughter] >> Ronaldo Messi. >> The Coley one was the one. >> [laughter] >> I thought I'd have to give that as a clue. >> Why has he got two million? I thought >> Listen Roy I think Roy Keane got to a million on Instagram quicker than anybody in the world. I think it was like seven hours. >> Honestly thank you so much we've had the best time. >> What an absolute pleasure Tom. >> Come on my brother.
93:25 >> Yeah lovely stuff. >> What was the game we were just talking about at breakfast when they were down? >> Oh yeah 28-3 down. You were 28-3 down. >> That's the one when I was watching it and when I went this is [ __ ] done. >> That was the Super Bowl against the Falcons. >> That's the only game that's the only game you've ever watched you know. >> I watch all of them. >> Me and I played quarterback now.
93:49 >> [laughter] >> Nice one. >> Enjoy your time. Thank you. Thank you so much. >> See you. >> It was really nice to see you again. >> That was great. >> Good luck with everything. >> We get Salford. Salford [ __ ] >> Here you go. They're right there this year. >> I know. It's a disaster, Tom. >> Thanks, fellas. >> This has been a Global and the Overlap production.
Summary
- Tom Brady emphasizes the significance of teamwork and accountability in achieving success in sports.
- He discusses the evolution of the NFL, particularly regarding player safety and the impact of technology on the game.
- Brady reflects on his journey from being the 199th draft pick to becoming a celebrated quarterback, highlighting the importance of preparation and mental resilience.
- He shares insights on the differences between American football and soccer, particularly regarding tactics and player roles.
- The conversation touches on the cultural differences in sports management and player expectations between the U.S. and the UK.
- Brady mentions his experiences with injuries and how he improved his health and performance through better nutrition and recovery techniques.
- He expresses admiration for current quarterbacks and discusses the pressure faced by first-round draft picks compared to his own experience.
- The discussion includes light-hearted moments about sports culture, celebrity athletes, and the importance of maintaining a winning mindset.