ReeceFit | Too Big For Physique!? Getting Freakishly Strong & His Journey Into Bodybuilding #54

0:00 Hi, I'm Christian Guzman and I approve of the Board Shorts and Banter podcast. Should Should I do the music, Josh? You can't not give him the full experience. Come on, then. What is good, people? And welcome back to the Board Shorts and Banter podcast. Today, we have the UK One of the UK's best men's physique competitors. That's great. It's Therese, not Pearson, but fit. So, Therese, thank you very much for joining us today, mate. How have you been? Let us know.

0:32 All good. I'm blown away by the production quality already. This is way better than the podcast I do. Yeah, what what what what What's it called? A YEE or something? Yeah, I don't know. Something that I think you guys tried to copy and just get like less views. I like the name. It's very secluded towards men's physique guys. And Well, then, that's why we've got the the shortened down version, BSB. Okay, yeah. No, I get that. I get that.

0:59 Well, either way, I appreciate the the invite from Crogan. Tom, I don't know if you wanted me on, but I'm going to guess maybe it was like passive clearance. I had no choice, mate. Okay. So, what are you saying? I wanted Finn, personally. And then, when it's us Finn is like a double, like getting us both on. We're We're going to do that. I have I have a I have an idea for the future that I'm going to run by I don't know if I've ever spoken to you about it. But, anyway, we'll we'll talk about it later on.

1:24 But, you guys are friends, though. Like, I'm just the outsider here. You know, I'm just I'm just here along for the for the ride, you know? Yeah. Me and Therese are like We've not done that, have we? Like, Tom, I don't think we've had more than maybe three or four conversations. In person, we've always had like short conversations three or four times. But, it's been pretty chill, mate. It's been sound. You know? So, whereas like me and Therese, we go we go way back. We go all the way back to 2020.

1:51 Yeah. Yeah. Where did Where did you actually meet? Well, Therese can ask answer this because he told me about it the other day cuz I couldn't remember. Yeah, so it was actually the hashtag Mecca. I got into like bodybuilding when Josh was like Josh you were like competing as a junior, weren't you? And I remember so Kes trained out of Ultra Flex Leeds and the only people that I knew that really like competed were people through that gym. So I followed Kes and then or Kwase but however he's Kes isn't it? That's how you pronounce it but He's Kes.

2:25 Kes Is it Kes? Okay, I'm sorry. I can never pronounce it. And then I followed Josh from Kes. There we go. And then it was a case where I went away on holiday and I followed him and he followed me back and I was like oh this is really cool. A good guy is following me back. This is when I had like a thousand followers. Way before I'm a social influencer social media influencer and that's pretty much all I am now. Anyway, moving on.

2:48 Basically, I went on holiday and I came back from the holiday and Josh came up to me and said like it was when COVID 2020 you know and lockdown all that sort of crap happened. And it I got back like maybe 45 minutes before a deadline. Like if I if I didn't I'd have to isolate and Josh came up to me and went oh mate good that you came back in time like you would have had to isolate whatever and I laughed and I was like oh yeah and I was like wow he watches my stuff. That's a bit wild. And I remember being really taken back because I looked up to Josh cuz he was in the game for longer than me at this point and now I mean Josh is a pro and I'm just a bro.

3:25 He came to watch so I was like yeah sound. But yeah, so that was basically that. Me me and Josh have known each other for a few years and then I don't really know when we actually became like so like I said to you in person Josh I class you as like a good friend like but we just don't speak to each other enough. But we've known each other and we've been quite somewhat close considering we speak three times a year for probably the last what two or three years.

3:44 Yeah. yeah, I think I've known I've known you for five years. Yeah. That's a A time that. Mhm. I've known you longer than I've known Annabelle. Really really we should be living together. Yeah. Have you known Reese longer than you've known me? yeah. Jesus Christ. Well, this is your podcast now Reese, mate. Annabelle is out and this is now your podcast. Goodbye lads. I'm out. Crikey, what a productive 4 minutes. And and right, Reese has now made like the same amount of progress in that 4 years since he's known you than you will make in your entire body building career, Josh.

4:19 I I Well, it shouldn't have been way more than that. If I make that progress over the next 40 years, I will be delighted. Yeah, but It'll be a miracle. Josh, you're natural, so you're going to be living forever anyway. So, you've got like a million years to put on muscle. What makes you think Josh is natural? Oh, yeah. I actually know about being exposed. you've got till like midday tomorrow and then if not, then I'm going to beat you up and I'm going to Oh, Reese.

4:53 Well, I like to say that. You do have to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could say that. Is there anything that you guys don't want to speak about? It's it's it's board shorts and banter, mate. It's it's fine. It's just banter, yeah. But I don't worry, I'll I'll do anything that you want before midday tomorrow to stop me from getting exposed. Cheers, bro. Oh, dear. Anyway, Reese. Yes. Aha. Aha, I'm taking you. Reese, tell the people that don't know you, which won't be many, tell them who you are, what you do, and a little bit about your competitive history.

5:25 Okay. so, I'm Reese Pearson, go by Reese Fit. I I technically claim I I'm like an influencer at this point, but I'm I don't really like to be. I never really wanted to be. I always thought I was a little bit rogue and I was like, " I'm not going to be like one of those who post themselves on social media." But I now do, so it's like I failed. I've become everything I once hated. but no, I I in fair, before social media, or I say before social media, I always just post myself online.

5:52 I I have my recent fit Instagram page from like age 14, and I used it more as a bit of a log for my own like progress, and I never used to like I I still don't, but I don't really ever think about what I'm going to post. I just post my my same sort of stuff every day. And then, so I post my training, post my physique, and then I got into like I went to Ultra Flex Leeds, that was like the first proper gym. And I was always the guy that in my teens, I was like in pretty good nick. Like I always had pretty delts, and I was just training in a pure gym where I looked like you know, if you're if you're in a pure gym and you're like less than like 15% body fat, and you've got like you're 175 lb, you look like you're the biggest dude in there. So, I used to always have people say to me, "Yo, bro, you should compete." And I was like, "Nah, that's gay. I'm not doing that." Like you know, that was my mindset in my teens.

6:36 up until maybe like two or three years ago. I was going to say maybe still now, but I can't say that cuz I've clients who compete on stage. but I was like, "Nah, I'll I'll I'll hold off." And then it wasn't until I went to Ultra Flex Leeds, so this was like 2019, 2020, that I was like, "Okay, cool. I'm in a gym that's a bit more serious. I've seen people that I was following." Finn got into coaching with AJ, and I was like, "Okay, cool." Cuz me and Finn met, we were training together.

6:58 And I was like, "Right, I'm going to compete." I looked at like PCA, that was my first time to show. I remember screen recording Ben Brace's I walk, and also Josh Crogan's I walk. you know, like cuz I didn't I thought that was something important. So, I was like, "I'm just going to learn how to pose." From just watching other people. and then literally I had my first competitive season in 2021. I finished uni then, and went straight into a prep, which looking back at it was probably not the best decision, cuz it was like finish uni, and then straight into a prep, while also the first four months of the year were were in lockdown. So, I was like, "Fantastic decision." Just chasing that dopamine that you do when you're like 21, 22. So, that was that. And at this point, I'd already trained for like 10 I'd trained for nine years. So, it was 9 years of training. I always got pretty sliced and lean for like a good majority of like my younger years, and I stayed in that condition. And during that sort of build-up to me getting on stage, I was having people message me saying like, "Yo, bro, what are you doing for How are you looking like this?" I was like, "Oh, clearly I can start probably selling training plans and starting coaching." So, it was quite a nice sort of mix because genuinely about a year before I stepped on stage, I was speaking to my mom in panic thinking, "I'm going to be done with uni in a year, and I have no idea what I'm going to do." Because it's either I go down the master side of things and just get in further debt, or I try and pursue coaching because I was kind of like coaching like five to 10 people, but earning next to nothing. So, I was like, "Let's just see how the next year goes."

8:24 And then literally I skip a year ahead, I compete till I did my first season, did pretty well, I'd say like relatively. And then it was a case where I had like a good amount of followers, I had like 40 to 50 clients, and I was like, "Sick. This is where I am now." And then it's just been a case of like consistent progression from there, I guess, which yeah. I don't know, maybe I break that down. That's an introduction to kind of like how I got into it.

8:48 I think that's a pretty perfect introduction. How How many years ago then did you compete? So, it was like the first time. Yeah, 2021 was the the first time I competed. So, you've only done two seasons, haven't you? I find a lot of people always slightly like surprised by that. Because I feel like people think I've been in the game of like competitive bodybuilding like for a long, long time. Yeah. Because I look Way older than 25. It's crazy.

9:12 no, I'd say more so based on the fact that like it's not even been 3 years since I first competed. Yeah, that's mad. That's actually mad. Yeah, I was still a first-timer. Like I was literally a month out. So, yeah. So, you How So, you were So, it's been 3 years You were 22 when you first got on stage? And you obviously did Well, obviously did juniors. How did you do in your first season? So, first show first time as PCA, September 1.

9:37 That That's That's like notoriously like the best first time a show and I remember like speaking to a few people and this was when like first time as was like it there was only about maybe eight to 10 PCA shows instead of them being every single weekend where they just print cash. Fair play. It's mad now. So but yeah, there is like 10 shows a year. I didn't even know what PCA finals was. I just signed up to that in January and I was like, "Oh, sick. Let's just do that."

9:59 and then it was a case where I did So I did that That was the first show. I won my class and then we knew the overall which was quite cool. So overall the first show. That was my peak. Should have really retired. that is it's just downhill from there. It's all downhill there from there, mate. Yeah, and I say that it kind of was because I wasn't really that happy with it. No no no. I I literally just I got the overall and I was like, "Sick. Cool. I expected that." It was like it wasn't like I really even enjoyed it. It was just like, "Oh, sick. Okay, cool." Just that's what's hap- that's what's happened.

10:30 And then I did the Arnolds a week later. I got beat by Eagles by one point. I'm going to be so I'm going to sound very salty. The only guys in men's physique with one point in between us in the whole of the amateur realm. Like the entire amateur men's physique guys from first to second there was more than one point and me and him were one point. They moved me to the middle. I held the middle. I finished Could have been anyone's, mate.

10:52 And I was like, "Oh, I've beat him." We we everyone thought I'd beat him and then it was like, "No, I didn't." But I looking back I do get why. How many people was in your class? Oh, three people. So it's not No no no. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to say the guy that finished third was way way way better through the rear than me and Eagles. Way better. Really? Yeah yeah yeah. Me and Eagles were like Eagles was like eight weeks out conditioning and I just had my notoriously soft lower back in comparison to like how lean my front was. So it was like the guy on who finished third was way better from the rear cuz he was tiny and he was actually like dry and peeled.

11:27 So How How old was Jack then? He was He was probably like like 14? Something like that? Yeah, I think I think he like been in primary school or something. He came He was He wasn't old enough to go in the teens class, so they just put him in junior. Yeah, so that was that. And then I did PCA finals. I qualified for PCA finals. Generally, I was only ever going to do two shows. That was the kind of plan, but I was like, "Oh well, I won my overall. I won the overall. I won the junior class. I might as well."

11:52 And then going into finals, being way too cocky, I I was literally like looking at the juniors that I was going to be up against. I was like, "Oh, I could beat all of these." And I beat every single junior that competed that year. Getting the fact that Axel had qualified the year before. I didn't know, but couldn't do it because of COVID. Josh, you were going to do it. It was So, against him, wasn't I'll I'll explain what happened. He the previous year, 2020, the PCA did a open British finals and then a first-timers show. And he entered the wrong show.

12:25 So, he entered first-timers. Mhm. Right? And won first-timers and then forgot to enter the the UK open. Okay. So, I did that. Yeah. And I won, but obviously, if he'd have done that, he would have won. So, I consider myself very, very lucky indeed. Yeah. And yeah, so basically, I looked to I was like, there was Cam Wales who won an overall and I was like, " he's okay, but I'll beat him." I did. Luckily, thank god. I would not have been competing now. I'd have been like Cam Wales.

12:59 second in that lineup. But there was it was a really, really good lineup. Like I I know everyone always says like, "Oh, the lineup that I was in was the best I've seen." But genuinely, for a junior PCA like British final lineup, I've watched I've had clients in every single one since. And that, in my opinion, was the best. Me, Axel, a guy who does Two Bros now, fourth was Cam, fifth was Fraser, who got he came pretty close to a PCA pro card. so, that was like my first competitive season, three shows, first overall, two seconds to now both IFBB pros.

13:33 Great. In In one's in bodybuilding, one's in classic as well. So, it's not like they've gone on and done men's physique. No. Yeah, mad. That That That's a pretty cool first year. Yeah. No, it was really good. It was a very good introduction to like bodybuilding. I remember being so excited after my prep finished cuz I was like, sick. Like, right, time to grow. Like, time to improve. Get me the gear. Where's it Where's it at?

13:56 Was Was Was your first prep natural? No, so I would I say natural? It was. No, it was half natty. It was It wasn't, but it pretty yeah, it definitely Just you and mine. Yeah, no no no no, it's just clen, guys. Clen natural, isn't it? I didn't do it on like 300 test and 200 mast because I was like, oh, that's a huge gear cycle. I was natural for nine years, and then 16 weeks out I was like, well, I'm going to do it, so I might as well. But, I don't think I would have I wouldn't have placed any better. I wouldn't have done any I wouldn't have done any worse. I think the results would have been the exact same if I did it naturally. It was more so long term, and I was like, well, I've signed up to do a show.

14:35 I'm not I'm not going to make the most of it like in the six weeks before prep, I might as well just do it for prep, and then I can reassess and see, do I actually like this enough to continue? And I was like, okay, cool. So, the second I finished prep, I was like, right, growth hormone, insulin, loads of gear. No, I didn't I didn't do that. kind of, but not the insulin. I was scared of that. So, growth hormone.

14:56 I didn't want to do the thing that my body naturally produces, so I did all the things that it doesn't produce. Yeah, exactly. That's how it works. Reece, when you went enhanced then, did you do that all off your own back, or did you have someone to like watch over you, or No. No, I've always I've never had a coach. I've always done it myself. I'm incredibly geeky, over over the top when it comes to just being a nerd when it comes to things all things physique development, which sounds so cringey to say out loud. So, I apologize for Yeah, it does sound pretty cringey to but it is I I you know like when footballers are like, "I'm a student of the game." I feel like that in a lot of aspects Clip this bit up.

15:40 But, I I literally feel like I've just been like I with my younger years, if I go for a drive, I'm listening to a podcast regarding bodybuilding, PEDs, whatever. And at this point, I had like had multiple years of I knew how to already interpret blood work. I knew relatively speaking what a prep cycle would entail. I just was a bit of a with what I did myself cuz I was like, "I'm getting into this. I don't really need to take loads." and I've always been a bit like that when it comes to kind of how things are PED-wise, but I literally I got bloods done before. They were sound. I was already pretty much like peak off-season natty, and I was pretty strong. Like I Josh, you probably you remember like how strong I was as a natty. Like in the the last lockdown, I was press I pressed four plates on a flat bench, natty. I did a 160 incline for like set of five. I already out 250, naturally. So, like I was pretty decent natty, and like I had a lot of people when I was natty being like, "You're on gear, bro." And I was like, "Nah, I'm just try train hard, and I don't really miss a beat." So, Do you remember what your natural testosterone levels were?

16:38 Oh, I'd have to get them up. I think they weren't stupidly high. It was Yeah, I I think like 22 nanomoles, but this was like peak off-season. So, if I got them done Yeah, that's not low. That's that's pretty high, but they weren't like, "Oh my god, stupidly high." Like they it wasn't like, "Oh my I'm a freak with my LH and FSH through the roof cranking out max testosterone levels and all that sort of stuff." And I it wasn't anything like that. But, at the same time like I lived my life when I was at uni genuinely like a robot. Like I do I don't think I ate off plan for the entirety of the three years I was there.

17:09 I trained at the exact same time. The people that I lived with literally called me a caveman because I'd only leave my room to like put food in the microwave or to make food. Like that was it. So, I was like so I'm definitely a lot more relaxed now that I'm with Sania because I was so like I go to the gym, I have to do this. I'd get kicked out of my uni lectures because I just like pop a meal open cuz I'm like oh it's half 10, I've got to eat.

17:31 You know, and stuff like that. And that's not a flex or a brag, it's just I was always I was really really like slight I'm very autistic when it comes to timings and like my routine. So, and nothing changed that and it's always been the case. So, like hormonally I was in a pretty okay position because I always made sure my sleep was good. I always made sure to eat the same food. I always trained like since I started training other than when I had my gyno surgery I've never had more than like six or seven days off like and that would be a deload. I've never like fallen off and thought it, I'll get back to it next month or anything like that.

18:01 So, yeah, I'm just a bit of a geek. Sorry, boys. Awful awful I love Yeah, you've just you've just mugged you've mugged us off really because we're we're just not, you know. That's why we're natty. Yeah. We know about creatine and Tom knows about multivitamins and that. That's pretty much it. Mhm. Literally, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm like the opposite. Like when I was at uni, I was pretty locked in with like bodybuilding and whatnot, but I've always just That's probably why I'm still men's physique to be honest with you. I've always been pretty like relaxed, but it's only now like in my later years that I've actually flipped that on its head and I'm a little bit more robotic about things now. But I think it's just all it's just all goal dependent. So, like when you were at uni did you did you say that you always knew that you wanted to compete? That was always going to be the long-term goal or is it you just love Like what do you love more? Do you love competing more or do you just love training and progressing your physique and it's like competing is just like a side thing?

18:51 Oh, side quest 100% Yeah, the latter like I never I don't do what I do to really step on stage. It's a byproduct and again, another cringey statement, but it is the case like I I do what I do because I just love being in the gym and I'm very grateful for that. Like I think a lot of people get into it for not I'm not going to say the wrong reasons cuz who am I to question what you're doing it for, but if it's for vanity or self-appraisal or like approval from others, I think that's pretty much going to burn out after a certain period of time, no matter how good you are or bad you are. Like if you let's say if you two guys like Josh for example, top no offense, because you're you're good, but you're not Josh. Like Josh if he Josh is chasing other people's opinions, when you're being told you're a world champion, you could easily be like, "Okay, cool. I've completed it." You know, or let's say for example if you're not a Josh and you're somebody who just gets a second call out, you're going to stop because you're like, " just you know, I don't I'm not I'm not good enough for the judges." So for me, it's actually a case of like I really just like training hard. I've always like pushing myself.

19:50 And that kind of correlates to me looking the way I do, I guess. Well mate, if if you were like so hell-bent on the win, like I I trained to win. It's like you probably would have quit a long time ago, you know. Like it's the same thing like if you quit after your first show, cuz you got the win and then that's it, job done. What's next? Yeah, but even then it's like if you're, you know, training purely just to compete and like to chase after that win, it's like good luck because everyone loses eventually, you know.

20:16 And also, it's not I don't know about you boys, it's not that enjoyable when you do get a win. Like Well, I think I think I I nearly I nearly blew a load. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Tom cried. Tom cried instantly. One tear, all right? Just just a little little dribble. No, but like you you you nailed it earlier when you said that when you win your PCA overall, it's almost like, "All right. Okay, cool." Like it it's almost like a relief rather than like you know, like complete euphoria.

20:47 Mhm. Because it it is just a byproduct of, right, I've done training. I I've trained for a long time really well. I've now done a prep for a long time really well. Oh, and now I've won a show. So all right. Okay, next. Yeah. so with competing then so you did your first year, which was some would say baptism of fire. and then you competed how many years, months later? Was it 18 or Yeah, so it was I finished what in October 2021. That was when prep like ended. Well, and then the off-season began. And then I started prep in January of 2023, so last year for my second prep and my last prep.

21:28 Last prep ever. Don't think Kelly. Do my second prep and then never want to step on stage again. Do you know what? Like, it's mad. I always think Finn's competed more, but I think part of that is he did that many shows last year and looked so different throughout the season. Yeah. It was like he did multiple seasons. How many shows did he do? 43? Yeah. It's like five, wasn't it? Five, six. I don't even know. He did He did a piece of He did a FitX. No, he did a FitX. He did like Men's Physique.

22:03 UK if A1. You Yeah, you UK if A qualifier, UK if A finals, and WMBF. So, I think like seven or eight shows. hell. Yeah. Wild to think he never got a first place. you like in bodybuilding on the day. Crazy. No wonder No wonder I I No wonder he's not competing again. I wouldn't. Right, Finn is going to come on the podcast next cuz Yeah. his season last year was ridiculous. Yeah. Wins a Men's Physique show, then doesn't win a bodybuilding show, but then wins a bodybuilding show like 10 days after the season finished.

22:38 It wasn't wasn't Wasn't that because a guy Was he Was he a pro? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did that slip through the net? Cuz he's an idiot. What the Idiot. so, second season. Yes. Do you want to talk about it? Sure. Yeah, it was a it was a strange season cuz in my head I was like, right, I was probably me, Eagles, and Axel were probably the best juniors in the probably in the country in 2021 in men's physique.

23:06 like a lot and I was like, "Right, cool. I want to be at the top end now with the amateurs." so basically it was a good amount of growing. I It was but it was again, it's one of those sort of things where you can't really control about how things grow, especially when it comes to like frame. I got away with being a a good or a very decent junior men's physique guy because I wasn't massive, but I'm very wide across the top line. If you see me in person, I'm like my my clavicle width is a bit of a joke.

23:35 But when it comes to like insertions, I just grew and just looked way too big and stupid for men's physique last year. I was over 100 kilos on stage and I was I was high 90s for in the juniors. So I was like middle to middle middle 90s in the juniors, which is pretty unheard of for most guys in men's physique, let alone a first timer, first show, and a junior who was literally natty 20 weeks out. So I I had a good amount of tissue and I've never really struggled to grow. So looking back, I definitely didn't need an 18-month off-season. I think if I had competed in 2020 like two, so a year like if I had like a six-month push into a prep, I think that would have been slightly better cuz I would have come to the decision, "Oh, men's physique isn't for me." But it comes to like how things are. But for last year, I did five shows, four shows. I did PCA Northwest, Northeast, I don't know. It was something start of May.

24:26 jumped in Yeah, something. I'm not too sure. I got second out of four. I beat an IFBB pro who is a guy who's now an IFBB pro in that lineup. The James Walters, if I'm not mistaken, looks his back shot is a joke. I thought when I was waiting to go on stage, he was going to be the guy that I was going to be like, "Right, I'll be me me me him." I basically got I think some of the judges, from what I got told, is like they had some had a lot had me in first and then others had me in fourth cuz I was too big. And it was pretty much like, "You're too I My feedback was you should do bodybuilding. Like that's what it said. Do bodybuilding, not classic, do bodybuilding. Like too big for men's physique.

25:03 It also didn't help, didn't get glazed cuz I got my tan done by Nicola. All All excuses. Regardless, the criteria that they judged that show upon was probably the weirdest I've ever seen because the guy that got fourth is now an IFBB pro. He, if there was anybody, he should have won. The guy that got third was better than the guy that beat me in my opinion. And I was like the odd one out where I was like twice the size of everybody.

25:25 I remember a lot of times within the prep saying to Finn, like four weeks out saying like I really do not look like a men's physique guy anymore. But I've signed up to the shows and I always believe if you've signed up to something you say you're going to do it, do it. Like just see how it goes. But I was walking on stage and the shorts were too tight. Like it was just a bit of a ruin. It just I just looked silly. Like it just didn't I don't didn't look like a men's physique guy.

25:50 So I was like I signed up to that, got second. Like I think a lot of people like what what was it again? Oh my god, how did that happen? I was like, well because it's not the look they go for anymore. The The look definitely changed where like let's say for example you look at Josh Bridgman. I think me and me and Bridgman when we were men's physique had fairly similar structures, but unfortunately he got his pro card to the point where he then like let's say he's a very good pro. But if you're within the amateur realms and you're 100 plus kilos on stage, you look stupid. And over from 2020 really to about 2023 the criteria went from like guys who look really good in board shorts to guys who have tiny waists and don't have that much muscle but are really well shaped. And mine was more of the case towards just having a good amount of muscle and looking okay.

26:39 But for me it was a case where I competed and I was like right, the criteria has gone this way, I've gone that way. Therefore, this is not going to work. So that was that. I then did two bros the week after, no one in my class, stacked class, stacked win. and then I got third in the novice which which was so bad. I was like okay men cuz I already in my head was like men should be cuz I'm not I've signed up to the show.

27:00 Same sort of feedback. I got told that my delts were too sharp, too pointy. My arms weren't bubbly but they were like yeah but you could probably be a bit tighter from the from the back but you need your arms and your delts to be less tight and you need them to be following round. So I was like Makes sense. You need you need to be fatter on your delts but then also leaner on your back.

27:21 And I was like Do you not know how to do that, Reece? That's easy. Does anybody? Calorie deficit, bro. I don't know if my arms are getting sharper but my delts would just get sharper and more pointy. What you got to do is before you go on stage you just got to put your arms out to the side like this and spin really fast and it will just fill them up. Yeah, yeah. Just set centrifugal force, right? It will just fill them up.

27:44 I'll give that I'll give that a go when I'm in the masters and I still haven't got a pro card. cuz I'm scared about my health. Reece, you're you're not going to make it to the masters, mate. That would mean like 50 more years. Jesus Christ. Jesus. Yeah, now I think about it, yeah. Pass me the needle. So yeah, so that was that and then basically to summarize cuz I'm just yapping on. I did then I had two weeks and I was pretty much going to do bodybuilding classic. I did Fit X for both. I got first in classic. I got second in open bodybuilding to Guy Harding who is a joke like he was backstage and I was like like cuz he won the overall. I would have won the overall if he didn't turn up and I was like sick like he genuinely looked about 18 times my size and I was like this is going to be really really fun and I didn't actually look that bad next to him. I actually thought I held my own but he was he's awesome.

28:45 Yeah. I don't know if I'm I'm allowed to I'm allowed to say Yeah, of course you are, mate. He's awesome. to do He's great, boys. he's if I I've I've known Guy for like not known him personally, but like he's from around like the Exeter area in the Southwest. So, like he's I've known that he's been like a wicked bodybuilder for some time, but he's weaker in the legs, isn't he? Well, I don't know if you've seen the photos, but like I definitely I did him on condition easily. And through the lower, I actually remember literally laughing thinking I meant physique guy. My my legs did do his, especially my hamstrings.

29:18 what I mean. For him, he's got he's got quite weak legs in comparison to his upper. His upper is ridiculous, but still got good legs, but He was like so big and round. He was like in this like oversized t-shirt and he genuinely looked like he was like 300 lb through the upper cuz he was massive. I was like, "Okay, this is going to be fun." So, yeah. So, that was that. And then I did PCA Universe the following day. I don't even know if I was allowed to enter, but I did. I did classic.

29:43 I qualified for it within the men's physique show. And I just entered classic and no one stopped me. So, I don't even know if that's allowed. And then all I wanted from that was a first call out just to say, "Okay, cool. I'm actually not that bad at this." And I got fourth out of like 16 or 17, which That was great, Guy. I was happy with that. Like I I literally cuz I I didn't even know how to do a quarter turn at 10 days out. So, I was like, "Right, I'm going in as a flawed decent on an Instagram, but horrendous classic bodybuilder cuz I had no outer quad. My arms were like just I just looked like a men's physique guy with just weird leg insertions and okay hamstrings cuz I couldn't hinge a lot, but quads. So, I was like, "Okay, I'm just going to see how I do." And I got fourth. And to be fair, like looking back, the two guys that placed first and second were just black dudes with really nice shape and really good like bubbliness, but they weren't in the same condition as me. And then it was me and Craig Homer who got third and fourth.

30:36 And we were both a bit like, like we were probably the most similar. And I looked at photos and I was like, "Oh, I actually held my own." Like I actually looked pretty good. So, though though that was my last show, nothing but positive vibes to be fair to like end prep. And I was like, "Right, time to make the step up." So again, growth hormone and insulin, where's it at? I wasn't scared No longer scared.

30:57 Pass me them needles. Jesus Christ. Right, okay. So, for those that haven't seen, Reece, you you put a a current physique shot on Instagram, was it yesterday or the day before? yesterday, yeah. With the question, men's physique, question mark. No, I I don't I'm not going back to I'm not going back to men's physique. No. Mm. You are not You are not going back to men's physique because you're never ever going to fit under the weight cap.

31:27 What is the What is the weight Is there an actual weight cap for two bros? Yeah, how how tall are you? 5'11". My classic weight cap was 96 kilos last year. I think it's about 18 5'11". Why do you think I was taller than you? No, you're not. Shorter? Man, I thought you were like I've I've been with you in person, I swear like 6'1". No, no, no. I got my height done at Two Bros last year. And I was 182 cm.

31:53 You You just have this clear like aura about you then. IFBB men's physique Why? What do you Why are you saying that? I'm I'm 177. There's no way you're 5 cm taller than me. Oh. You You make me look like a child. All right. It's the aura guy. It's what aura? Yeah. What Reece, what do you It's the absolute lightest you could get for stage right now. Like To put it into perspective, I was 102 kilos for men's physique last year. And for classic and bodybuilding, I was 98.

32:28 And like I'm guessing you've seen the photos. Yeah. Genuinely like there wasn't an ounce of body fat. I was inside out peeled and close Death protocol, I believe. Yes. So, so on a good day, right, if you're over 5'11, Yeah. up to and including 6 ft, you can be 217 lbs. Okay, so what, like high 190s? For men's physique, is that pro or amateur? that's pro. So, actually minus I think it's minus another like 10 lbs off that, isn't it?

32:58 Yeah, something like that. 100 kilos. Is it doable, mate? I was heavier as a junior first time at like first ever show than the amateur level, pretty much. Very close to approach. It's just all collarbone, mate. Yeah, it is. It's just all clavicle. That's all it is. I I reckon, right, if we do a UFC, right, this is the plan, right? Next season, Mhm. me and Josh, we're going to be there for you when you do men's physique, and we're going to do a UFC weight cut. I'm talking towels, saunas, cold baths, everything.

33:28 And I'll make it happen. I'll still get beat by a black dude who looks like he's off of Love Island, like Yeah. Mate, he he still makes me laugh. He was at the PCA Naturals the the other week, and I saw him and I thought, here he is, Love Island. I can't believe it. I can't believe he's natural and he beat you. Who is he? The PCA Naturals. Josh, do you know? I don't I honestly don't know his name. I'm being disrespectful. He looked great. He had a really Yeah, yeah, he's he's really good.

33:53 He is. He's just It was like I remember Sam sending me through the photos, and I was like me and him next to each other, and I was like, oh my god. Like, what? You know? But it I get it. Criteria-wise, he beat me. Fair play. No issue. I I said to you, didn't I, at like 2 weeks out. He was like, right, what what we saying then, overall pro card? I was like, no, mate, you're going to get beat in your class. And you were just like, oh, oh, okay. All right.

34:20 it wasn't that. You said you'd I'd win my class but get beat in the overall. And then it was when we posed. Remember when I like hit my side chest, and I was like showing you like how my glutes looked from the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were what the is this? Like, what are you doing? Like that's stupid." You you were you weren't men's physique anymore. I knew that. Like I I literally, like I said, I had so many conversations with him with Sunai where I was like, I and it honestly I'm going to be honest, it was actually like a pretty weird time in my life because I was like, I'm a lot better physique-wise, but I'm a lot worse men's physique-wise. So, my only know like what what I was saying earlier about like opinions, I am literally worse than I was a year and a half ago, but I'm so much better in the same way like, but judging off a criteria, I'm worse than I was like, I'm too heavy for classic, I'm too small for open, and I'm too big for men's physique. It's like, where the do I go?

35:14 Just a bit of no man's land, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did did it did did that affect you psychologically? Honestly, did it actually get to you a little bit or not? I feel like it it it didn't get to me like when I was like, oh I'm I'm down. I woke up and I'm like in a state of depression cuz I'm like, oh I'm like Yeah. I the judges what are they going to like me.

35:34 Yeah, like I took my top off and said, "Does my hair make me good enough for you?" I wasn't It wasn't that like that, but it definitely was a case where I remember finishing prep in 2021 and I was like I literally woke up at like 5:00 a.m. Me and Sunai had planned to have a nice day in Birmingham together and I was like I searched up gyms near me to see if there's a gym open before she wakes up so I can go and start my off-season a day early. That's how like excited I was in 2021. In 2023, I was like I don't really know what I'm doing. Do I Do I like there was legitimate thoughts, do I downsize and stay in men's physique because I don't really want to push PEDs that high.

36:12 Do I go to Do I try to like somewhat like recomp my physique for classic where I can like try and not train my delts, not train really my arms, maybe just my biceps, and just get like better quads and not train my hamstrings. And I was like, well, I'm not going to enjoy my training. Or do I full send open where the health risks are going to be there? There's obviously going to be a case where I'm going to have to get stupidly heavy, and is that what I want?

36:36 Because I'm My name on Instagram is Reese Fit. I'm not like Reese meathead. Do you know what I mean? Like it's I was always in my teens a guy who looked pretty good. So, like for me to go, "Okay, I'm just going to look awful. I'm just going to look like a big meathead of a bodybuilder." That to me was never that attractive. So, it was a very much like a a bit of a crossroads. So, like I stayed pretty lean part of the entire summer. I had a few holidays, and like I didn't really push things too hard, but I was like, "Let me just see how things are." And I just focused on my training. And then after like 10 weeks, I was like, "Right, I'm in a good groove training-wise."

37:04 I don't I just thought, "Right, let's let's go. Let's Let's have a bit of a push and see how things are." And that's in a way how I am now. Like I'm going to compete next year, but I don't really care about like how I'm going to do results-wise. I think I'll do okay. I think I'll do pretty okay, but I also at the same time I'm just like, "I do this cuz I like training. I do this cuz I like the constant chase of like progression within the gym and progression within my physique." relative No, not relative to stage.

37:28 Mhm. I feel like Carry on, Josh. What were you going to say? What class do you think you're going to end up doing then next year? Oh, 100% be open. I wouldn't be able to fit any of those. Like men's physique I'm too heavy. Like I'm 118 kilos now flat. If I was full, I'd be like 121, 122. And I'm I'm not I'm nowhere near close to stage condition. But if I would I'd be I'd be on stage at 110, I'd like to say. So, if I'm 110 kilos on stage, do you really think they're going to I'm going to look that good in classic considering I'm 13 kilos over my weight cap and 20 or so kilos over men's physique?

38:02 I think I 30 kilos more than me. Like you would you would be 30 kilos more than me. it's crazy. on stage. That's insane. And you'd still beat me in men's physique. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. It's just mad, isn't it? I reckon I reckon if it was me and you in the juniors, I think I would have been a good battle. My first year versus like your last year juniors. That'd would I I look back at like, you know, people that I competed against and I do I would have liked to have competed against you.

38:28 Yeah. Yeah. Not so much Axel. I'm glad that I I swerved that one. Andy Eagles, Eagles also he he entered the wrong UKBFF show that same season. Oh, mate, you got so lucky. Scam him. But this is bodybuilding isn't it? You can only beat who you're against. Yeah. But Eagles competed the day before. Oh, okay. That's quite good. Yeah. So Eagles did the UKBFF novice, I did the UKBFF British finals. Right.

38:58 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So but I do think do think I might have beat him. Mhm. Cuz that was his first ever prep. Yeah. How did he do well out of that? He did well though. He No, he did do well. Yeah, he he won he won the novice but it was pretty Don't get me wrong, the open and juniors were pretty Mhm. And again he for that for that year as well he was like not even 14, he's like 12.

39:25 Yeah, he was yeah, he was like literally 9 months old and he'd only been on prep for like 2 months. And then he was on gear at like what? 1 and a half? Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. And It well a little bit like an interesting take then. So obviously for your next prep then Mhm. do you feel more cuz obviously you compete as a byproduct of your training, right? And like I think that's sick. But do you no doubt do you feel a little bit more pressure pressure from social media now that you consider yourself an influencer based off of how you do next season? Or for you is it like it just water off a duck's back and it is what it is?

40:07 no, honestly I actually feel like there's like minimal pressure for me next year which is strange because I definitely felt more pressure last year because I was like, right, I did like pretty well as a junior. I looked pretty good at and it was like pressure I put on myself. Well, like I'm going into this at 25 26 open bodybuilding. There's not many guys my age with the same level of tissue that I have. And I also think like in my opinion I'm almost like a first time like I'm almost like a first timer again.

40:34 Yeah. So, like as always my goals are stupidly high. Like I want to be going into any PCA show I'm winning. I want to do a PCA pro qualifier and win a PCA pro card. Not that that's the goal but I just want to win like either the Universe or like a British finals which will result in a pro card. And then I want to see how I'd stack up in a two bro show. If that doesn't happen, cool. I'm not going to cry. I'm going to go okay, cool. I need more time and I'll keep going. But I've put myself in the position over the last since I stepped on stage 15 16 months towards putting myself in the best possible spot to do well next time I step on stage. So, obviously there's pressure but I quite like that pressure.

41:09 Like I don't look at it and think it's negative. And I also don't perceive social media pressure as much as I think other people like maybe do. Like I just look at it and think like I've won a few show I've won a fair few shows and I've lost a few shows. That's cool. That'll be my career. I'm not going to win every single show I do. But I'm also not going to like not win any shows.

41:28 Like I'll definitely will win a few but we'll just see how things go. Yeah, you can always just go and do a Fit X one mate. Why don't you try and get a Fit X pro card? I I heard that that's that's like, you know, up there on your things to do. Or UKUP. Yeah, I got No, no, no. I got told Tom, you don't know this. I got told that like Fit X would be like my peak in bodybuilding.

41:48 All from people that are like six seven years older than me. which is crazy. The This is what you've been told? I got told yeah, that's going to be my peak. I was like, Aw. Guess I'm Yeah, I know. Really really sad honestly. It's not a lot I can say really. I've heard I've heard that your sleep's gone out the window since then. You just shut your eyes and you see a Fit X pro card and you're "Whoa."

42:12 Oh, no, no, no, no. That's actually my goal. I wake up, I dream of that every night. All right. Okay. This is what happens when you turn into an influencer. You don't actually train hard anymore. So, you fake plates. Fake plates. No, definitely not. I I actually have To be fair, I find the the influencer side of things I can I joke about it, but it is a case where people like kind of take what you do and they'll almost like think that's only going to be the way. I You know what? I find it quite challenging cuz like when you when you guys start out, you listen to certain people. And nowadays like people probably listen to us and they think that what we say is like 100% Possible.

42:46 Yeah. And it is it's sometimes hard cuz like a lot of stuff I do in training is just because I want to do it and it's fun. And it might not be optimal, but I'm like, I don't really care. Like I'm just doing it because I want to. How long have you been training for now? Ooh, 13 years. So, there's there's going to be things that you do now after 13 years of just throwing at the wall and seeing what sticks. That's not necessarily like, you know, run-of-the-mill like the normal thing to do, but it works for you. But then obviously got these guys coming to train in fresh off the the hot off the press and they're trying these things, but it's not necessarily the right thing to do. It's just after your experience that is what works for you.

43:22 How do you train, Tom? I've never actually seen you train. I know how Josh trains. What's what's your sort of training philosophy? What a mate, very very standard. I just train like twice a week, skip legs, you know, it's just it's just pretty standard. Now, I'm just like a I'm a a lower volume higher intensity guy. Just well, training frequency twice a week per muscle groups apart from legs cuz obviously we don't need them. So, what's your what's your split? I'm interested.

43:47 My split right now is upper on a Monday. I thought that was my idea. I thought I thought that was I thought that was a big like a a beer, what's it called, Josh? The stein? Stein Steiner? it's in my Conte 2.2 L bottle of water that you get for free if you get two products over 50 pounds, Reece. I thought I thought that that cost 50 quid. Mate, it's 63 pounds. It's a joke, isn't it?

44:08 I'm sorry. What is I know they're probably doing it just as like people click it when you buy like two products. But 60 pounds? What? Mad. Anyway, split. so I do upper on a Monday. Upper on Tuesday I do legs. No, Tuesday is legs and delts, and then I rest on the Wednesday. So So full full body on a Tuesday. What, legs and delts? That's full body session. Pretty much. legs, bums, and tums, kind of Legs, bums, and tums. That's the new name for it, there we go.

44:42 and then my Thursday is push, then pull, and then I've got another chest, delts, and arm session. So arms, delts, chest three times per week. First, your chest must be really Like that must be It is really They used to call me "mastectomy Tom". That was like my nickname. Oh, okay. Gosh. Yeah. So it's It's doing the job, though. Tom had gyno surgery and they just took his pecs out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just They just extracted like a little bit too much, you know.

45:12 Oh, okay. Fair enough. I actually had a client, Pat Jones. He's a Josh, do you know Pat? Do you guys know Pat Jones? He little Filipino kid. I think he's Filipino. Mate, if you're not Filipino, I'm so sorry. I'm but I think he's somewhere somewhere around there. Somewhere in East He's like Irish like Irish or something. He's 19 and like I think he he was 18 when he competed last year and he got second at the first time I showed at the last first time I showed. And then he got first in that the open show that was later on. It was like the October one.

45:41 No, not October. It November. November, yeah. November remember. I do remember who he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he had gyno surgery like 4 weeks ago. And he literally messaged me being like, "Bro, I thought I had a good lower chest. It turns out it was all gyno." I was like Mad. So it was mate. I was actually like you literally thinking you're walking around you're like, "My chest is pretty well." And then once his gyno goes, it's going to look good. And then you're like, "Oh, it was all gyno."

46:04 Yeah, can I have a Can I have gyno surgery again, please? But to put it back in. Oh, dear. What Give us like a Give us like a brief run down of like your training approach now then, Bruce. Okay, so it's not It's not anything different. It's just like probably the loads that I'm lifting are like I'd say somewhat okay. So, like I'd say somewhat ridiculous, mate. Yeah. I Even I'm stronger than Josh. I'm back, aren't I, mate?

46:31 Yeah. No, it's It's an interesting one. Like as much as again, I'm not going to say like There are people stronger than me, but I do definitely think like within the UK bodybuilding scene, like there's not many that I can really look up to anymore, which is a bit of a shame. And that sounds cocky, but it is the case. Like I always like that underdog like I've always been When I was training, I was always the youngest in my gym. I always was like, "I'm going to be stronger than that guy." And then you get to a certain point, and it's like not being a dick, but like see he's got way more muscle mass than me. But like you look at JP. I hinge more than JP.

47:00 Like there's stuff that he does that I'm like, "Oh, that's cool." 5 years ago, and I'm like, "Okay, I'm actually doing more than that." So, it's more so been the case recently of like just trying not to absolutely ruin myself because load exposure can be a bit of a joke, and especially when you've gone from like I just love training, so I love to be in the gym. I still think of myself as like an 18-year-old Natty who can't train that hard. So, like in my like at my peak bodyweight, I was 290-ish, 295.

47:27 Like I saw 296. I saw 300 lbs before I went to bed, but See, that doesn't count. Yeah, it doesn't count. So, I was like literally 290, 295. And there was like a rotate a week of rotation training-wise. I looked at my numbers, and it was like Monday, it was like an eight-plate T-bar row. Tuesday, it was a 4.75 plate beside Smith press. Wednesday, it was like What was it? Legs. And I can't remember what I was doing, but it was like I mean, I think it was like a 15- or 16-plate side leg squat press.

47:56 And then Friday, Saturday. Friday was like full upper, so it was like a big session and Saturday just a eight plate stiff leg deadlift. And I was like, okay, probably going to break down and disintegrate into dust. And I did. I had to deload every like three or four three to four weeks cuz I was so ruined. You know the incline Atlantis? Yeah. Tom, what plates per side can you do? Like four and a half. Come on, I've got no chest.

48:24 I did I did six the other day for seven reps. And Reece, how many do you do? I got nine I had to put plates on the pins that you adjust. It was nine plates and a five for a set of like 10 or 11. He's disgusting. That's it. Tom's gone. Tom's just jumped out of his window. hell. I'm back. I had a word I had a word with myself. I did have the at the shed cuz they've got you know that top peg the 90 kilo I had it four or 13 plates total on it.

48:59 I don't know. It's just not I would hate I would hate to be like your tendons and ligaments and stuff like that, you know. that's bad. Yeah. Do you take a joint support? Right, right. Don't give me this crap. Don't give me this crap. Don't give me this crap. Joint support? That has been out for two days. Amazing. It fixed all my problems. Reece, you take that Before that, what joint support were you using? Because I recently changed mine.

49:26 Okay. I was using growth hormone and vibes. That was the Vibes. Yeah, it's just vibes. That's what it You weren't You weren't taking a joint support? No, I was I was taking Snyers Join and by JP. She got it I just steal some from her. That would be it. That's the one that I've switched to. So I was using strong for a while, but know Tam, my client, I don't know if you've seen him. Tom, I probably have.

49:54 He looks a little bit like Arnold. Okay. Yeah, yeah. he He was saying how like two turmeric has been like proven to suppress testosterone levels. So, I thought, "Oh, sorry, I'll switch it around." I can see a difference. Really? What? Testosterone or like actually joint wise? Like Oh, joint joint wise, better. it doesn't turn your your piss bright orange. And I would say the last like month, training's been a bit better, but I don't know if that's just me improving as an athlete, you know.

50:25 Josh just walks around with hard-ons all the time, don't you, mate? From that little testosterone Do you know why testosterone affects joints? No, tell me. Okay. Doesn't it Doesn't it change like the structure of like tendon fibers? Yeah, it definitely can do from exposure to like like super physiological levels. But, if you look at it from a an estrogen standpoint, your testosterone converts to estrogen. And estrogen is joint protective. So, and also estrogen having high estrogen will usually correlate to more water retention, usually around the joints or it can be around the joints. So, if your testosterone is lower, your estrogen conversion, your E2 conversion's going to be lower. So, as a result, you basically have sore joints. So, that's the reason why it's not like testosterone if it was just testosterone, it didn't aromatize, it wouldn't really make make a difference joint wise. I'd argue if anything, just with the process of on how strong you get, you'd actually feel worse through the joints. But, having higher E2 is pretty beneficial when it comes to the joint. So, if your testosterone's being suppressed, that's usually the reason. I think about the back end of a prep, you're really lean, joint usually is much even though your training can't be that hard. The reason why your training can't be that hard is usually cuz your your joints are battered and you're just feeling trashed. Testosterone's actually a bit lower within a natural prep, so Sorry, boys.

51:39 I just got on a tangent there. No, I love it. This is what we want, mate. Just rubbing it in, mate, the fact that like we're natty and you're not. Cheers, bro. Thanks for that. Yeah, all good. I have got loads of questions. Have you actually? I didn't think you'd get many cuz me and Finn are so easily accessible. You know? So, I thought I've got 12. Oh, sound. I can't I can't ask one of them for obvious reasons. I I said it to you both before Yeah.

52:08 the podcast. Thanks for that, Ian. Ian, thank you very much, mate. Oh, no, no, no, no. Sorry. The The guy that asked about Yeah. You having till 12:00 tomorrow unless rhymes with L L E K is going to expose you. So, isn't that the case? Was that the question? That was That was the question. And then remember the other one about our preferences. Oh, no, no, Josh. I know exactly what question you meant. I just thought I'd put you on the spot.

52:40 I know. I know what you were doing, Reece. Yeah. I know what you're doing. yeah, I've got some pretty good ones. my favorite are anything that's football specifically Liverpool related. Not for your response, Reece, but for Tom's. Tom, who do you support? You're a United fan, aren't you? nah, nah. I love I love football. I love it. Absolutely love it. Isn't United football? Nah, I love it, bro. Nah, okay, okay, okay, okay. No, if I had to support a team, Yeah.

53:12 Liverpool. Okay. Can I Can I say a very controversial thing? Like, I do feel like you know the lads that are like not into football, you had no friends at school. Like, you were like you you got bullied or something. This is This is kind This is kind of true. Yeah, it's always the same. I don't know why. It's just like why are the ones into football are the same ones that are like I didn't instead of playing with the boys.

53:32 Have you Have you heard of something called Runescape? Yeah, yeah. Did you play it? I played it at my friend's. I was a little bit like late to that sort of scene. Got you. Got you. What games did you play when you were a kid? That's actually partly the reason I got into bodybuilding, believe it or not. I was playing I was playing academy level football and it was a case where I missed training because I was playing Modern Warfare 2 Call of Duty.

53:56 My guy. Continually like I was genuinely playing that every waking second. I remember when Black Ops 1 came out, I was averaging a prestige every single like 5-day period from Monday to Friday. Oh my god. So I would literally be like a case where I remember I was max level by like Christmas and it game came out like what? It comes out October. So or November I don't even know October November. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like three two months and I was like max level. So I got a lot of Call of Duty. Play FIFA like occasionally. But like I've never really been like a PC gamer or anything like that. Like I'm the sort of guy who's like, "Oh, you play PC games, nerd?" Even though I've got like a billion hours on the old old Call of Duty and stuff.

54:41 Do you remember Do you remember Do you remember your playing time on them? Like do you know like days played? It was a joke like yeah, like I I think I had like 35 days on Black Ops 1. So I don't know how many days. The game was only relevant cuz it's Call of Duty for a year and I don't know how many I played for the last two months. So within like a 7 or 8 month period, over a month on it.

54:58 Jesus Christ. That's so sad. man. Yeah, it is. What other games do you play? Like anything like that? Skyrim stuff like that? He just Tom does not Skyrim. Great. I used to play I I played Modern Warfare 2 for about 3 years because I was so bad at it. After three years you're about to say. Why can I imagine you being at COD? Terrible, mate. Terrible. Took me 3 years to do one prestige. Ooh. I did it. I did it and then stopped playing it. I was like, "I've done what I wanted to do now."

55:32 One story about Modern Warfare 2 that I I back quite some bad memories. I that was the first competitive Call of Duty that I played. I played World at War and COD 4 at my friends. But I never had Wi-Fi or anything like that. So I used to like just play the campaign on like veteran and think I was like the And I remember I once joined a guy called Ashley Garrett. He applied for coaching about 2 years ago.

55:55 He was a few years older than me at school. And it was a quick scope no scope game on Rust. And I pulled out the UMP45 and was spraying spraying everyone down. And he got on the bike and he was like "Reece, you gay Like get out of the game." And this was an older lad that I looked up to. I genuinely left the game and was in tears. I cried. I was like 10. I was in tears. So Ashley, thanks.

56:17 You made me cry. That's when when I think of Modern Warfare 2, I just think about when I got called a gay kid by a kid that I looked up to. You never passed coaching. And I was like 500 quid a month, buddy. Sorry. You ruined my life. Oh good. Was you Was you actually decent at Call of Duty as well? Call of Duty 4 1, yeah. I was like I was I remember I got like there was a prestige like leaderboard and I was like fourth on score per minute in the world at one point.

56:44 I wasn't fourth in the world or anything like that. I had like a 3.7 KD, if you know what that is. Yeah, yeah. So on What was it on? So my KD was like 0.2. Oh my god. I think I think my mine averaged like 2.8. But score per minute on I think it was World at War 2 on a for for about four or five game modes, I was at least like top 300 in the world for score per minute.

57:07 What was your favorite COD like, Tom? Which one would you Favorite COD of all time, it's got to be it's it's it's a close one between COD 4 and my Modern Warfare 1 Modern Modern Warfare 2. Easy. Okay. Did you play Huh? Did you play Modern Warfare 1 first or did Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare, the OG one. That's what I played, yeah. Did Was that your that was your first Call of Duty? Yeah. That's why I think you say that. Because I feel like your first COD is always going to be the like your favorite.

57:33 Yeah, mhm. COD is is mad. COD like I feel like I actually learned lessons from Call of Duty from like just like hours and I think I had like 60 days played on COD 4. It was a joke. An actual joke. And I learned from it that I apply to life now, you know, so it wasn't a waste of time. It's fine. Should go paintballing. Yes. Ooh. Reece is Reece is easy target, mate. 1 mile an hour max speed, clavicular width of a bus, like easy pepper him.

58:02 We'll have teams. We'll have teams captained as Reece and Jack Eagles cuz I reckon both of you will have the same agility. And then all the natties will be stood up and you can just pick between us. Okay. That would actually genuinely be hilarious. Like Sam that would be Mate, I speak to Sam like Sam gets on my like verbal diarrhea on stuff and I think paintballing, bowling, and then also I've got like a a dream at the end of this year for us all to you as in Reece, Tom, Jack Eagles, Finn, and then obviously me and Tom for us to go to a pub, get it all miked up as like a big podcast, and just talk about the entire year.

58:45 Ooh. But also get absolutely spangled. Drinks, I think that would be like genuine cancellation. Like we would be finished. I love a drink. Yeah, we lose all our clients. We'd be out are your thoughts on sheets? Do you like a drink? No, I mean I I I haven't I've The Josh will laugh. I genuinely have never finished a pint in my life. I've never drunk a whole pint. Okay, so you've never finished a pint. Like have you ever got drunk?

59:09 yeah, yeah, a few times. So like if you if you if you if you like like for instance, you wouldn't like once a year get like a little bit tipsy or something? The last time I was drunk was in Liverpool before I went to Canada before I started prep in 2023. So that was me, Finn, Shannon, so Finn's girlfriend and Sania. And we were out the for the rest of the night. And that was like I'd say I had like six drinks, and I was like pretty pretty like gone.

59:37 then I I slept for 2 hours, then lifted 300 kilos, slept for 1 hour, traveled for the whole day to Canada, and then slept for like 23 hours. So, that was the last time That was the last time that I was drunk. That was the last time I think I had a drink. Like last year, cuz I was prepping for like 6 months of the year, I didn't have any drinks. I was like I didn't really fancy it when I was away on holiday. And like I've never been succumbed to like peer pressure on my birthday, where it's like, "It's your birthday, mate. Have a drink." I'm like, "No, I'm good. I'm fine."

60:05 Reece, I want to ask you a question. I'm not taking the piss here. All right, mate. Do you have any friends? No. No. So, this is honestly this is a I said to you, didn't I? I was like I I don't have that many friends, and I'm pretty sound on my own. Like my best friend I should I should say Sania. Sania is my best friend. My mom is my best friend. I get on extremely well with my mom. We watch football together.

60:30 We'll go for walks together. Like me and mom are incredibly close, which I'm extremely grateful for. Obviously, I have Finn. We train together. we me and Finn have known each other for years now. And I appreciate Finn massively. obviously, Sania. And then I have like a a guy called Hubert who I coach, who I've known since first year uni, that I occasionally will play like video games with. He'll message me like once every couple weeks, like, "Hey, bro, you got an hour? You want to play some Warzone?" And we just are awful. And I just regret it.

60:59 Cuz I'm like, "God, I'm so at Call of Duty now." And honestly, that is pretty much everybody. And that might sound sad, cuz at 25 I've not got a very like wide circle, but I'm sound. I'm all good. I like my life. Yeah. No, I I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I think I think like if you, you know, say in your early 20s, if you've got people that aren't in the bodybuilding world, Mhm.

61:22 They generally are quite bad influences because they don't get the whole bodybuilding stuff. So, all the times where I've got immortally drunk have been times where it's been with like my schoolmates or with people that, you know, go out and drink on a regular basis. Yeah. I have like if I was to want to if I was if I wanted to I have a lad called Jamie, surname's Mycock. Jamie Mycock, fantastic surname. He was like my best mate growing up.

61:51 And he technically still is. Like I haven't seen him for about a year, but like we I love the lad to bits, but I we don't have the same interest anymore. So, it's like you just grow apart, but like if he was to message me and say, "Yo Yo, mate, you want to come out for a night out?" And I had nothing on the following day, I'd probably be like, "Yeah, sound. I won't do the same sort of stuff as you do, but I'll come along." You know what I mean? So, it's like with that being said, I say that, I probably I'd just be like, " sorry, bro. I've got check-ins the following day. I can't You know what I mean? Like you say you would, you probably I probably wouldn't.

62:21 But yeah, like I've got friends if I was to want to go out, it just never really pops up with where I put myself in my life. Mhm. Thing The thing is with drinking, like I know Josh likes to drink, but I feel like people mainly drink because it's like it's an it's an escape, isn't it? It's like escapism. Whereas like if you enjoy what you do every single day, Yeah. you don't feel the need to do that. Like if you enjoy your work, if you enjoy your training, you enjoy feeling good, you enjoy like performing in the gym, like that brings you your satisfaction.

62:47 Whereas I think for a lot of people I was a lot younger. Like when I was when I was a young little little wee lad, but I remember like I actually had this conversation with Snailer yesterday. I genuinely was out in a nightclub mosh in Leicester. Awful. So, so bad. Like the the dress standard is worse than what we're wearing now. That's how bad it is. Like Oh my gosh. It was shocking. And I remember like 2:00 a.m. And I was like I genuinely had a thought like I'm only like 19, and I was like, "I'm going to be training tomorrow. Why am I drinking?" And then ever since then I was like when you're like close to being blackout drunk, you are it's 2:00 a.m. you've been drinking for like 6 hours and you consciously think, "What am I doing?" I was like, "This ain't for me."

63:25 I don't think that thought enters Josh's mind. Never. no, probably not now. I just think, "Oh, I'm training tomorrow." let's have a good drink. I'm already drunk. I'm going to get blackout drunk. Yeah, buddy. Right, should we questions? Yeah, questions. Yeah, well, we'll we'll try and run through them in 10 minutes. Phil Hashoak, my boy in Oz, has asked EPL predictions 1 2 3 wooden spoon. I think I don't know what he means about wooden spoon fourth.

64:01 Yeah. I'm not sure. You guys know what Beyond me, boys. Beyond Beyond me, lads. last you go then. Give me a prediction. City. Arsenal, Liverpool. Okay. I'm going to go Oh, no, sorry. I was interrupting. You want to say fourth? Yeah. Fourth is tricky. I want to say West Ham, but I think I don't know. I don't know. Maybe Man United. They might do something decent. Woah, woah, this is it. I don't think Solanke's that good.

64:32 I've doubled down on him in my FPL. I've put him in my FPL. I've put him in mine. It's to prove me wrong. I want Solanke to work his ass off and prove me wrong. I've made a one massive error as well in my FPL. I've put Ivan Toney in. Oh, that's a bad one. I was banking Who's your third striker? I've got Solanke, Toney, and I want to say Watkins. I went all out on my strikers.

65:00 No, you You mean you midfielders, surely. Like those Those strikers are like You've not got Haaland. No, not got No, not got Haaland. So, who have you got in midfield? Like Saka, Palmer, Salah. Oh, I've got Jean-Philippe Mateta. I've Miteta up front. Oh, that's that's my Right, midfield is Palmer, Saka, Foden, Mainoo, and Curtis Jones. Mate, who have you got in defense? Shut up. whatever he's called, Mitchell, Gabriel, Ruben Dias, Marc Guehi, Kilman, and that's it.

65:34 Josh, you've actually got like no elite players. I'm stunned. Fair play. Have you even Have you got many left? I can tell you a Liverpool fan, mate, with those. You You've kept like 8 million in the bank. Oh my god. Reece have nothing. I have no money. My goalkeepers My goalkeepers are Raya and Martinez. That is like one of the stinkiest FPLs I've ever heard in my life. Wow. Hey, no, no, no. They're going to do well. They're going to do well.

66:00 Have you Have you entered the Wanky's? Have you entered the Wanky's in your league? No, cuz I the the season started, innit? So, you can't enter things after the season started. Josh, oh, that's a shame. it's a join league. A yay yay. No, I'll send you the I'll send you the link. yeah, my tentative Okay. My top four, I'm going to say Arsenal, Liverpool, City, and Spurs. City in third? Yeah, I just think with the potential relegation looming, I don't think they're going to be as motivated.

66:34 They've only signed now two players, Gvardiol and Savić. I don't think I think De Bruyne's getting on. I don't think his fitness is going to hold up. And I also would like to see a different winner. And I think it I think Arsenal have been really good for the last few years, so I'd like to see them if I was to see anybody. Obviously, I'm a Liverpool fan, but I think without our players actually If we were to go out and sign three players that like quality that go into the starting eleven, I think we could actually push Arsenal and City. But, the likelihood is it'll go City, Arsenal, Liverpool. I think that's the highest likelihood. But, I want to see something different, so I'm going to go for that.

67:08 Yeah, I I agree. I I would like to see Arsenal win it just as someone different. I just think Pep's such a good manager. He'll pull a rabbit out his ass and they'll win. Cal Curry has asked, "How do you rate your genetics?" Ooh, I'd say pretty all right. But, the thing is is again, is it based off like a criteria? Because I think like I I am very okay at I could do classic and be all and be pretty good. I could do open bodybuilding and be pretty good, but I again, I'd have to push and get really big, which probably the plan. And I was pretty good as a junior in men's physique, but I wasn't like absolutely elite. So, if we're judging off a criteria, I think I'm like 7 8 out of 10. If I judge it off my ability to train hard, strength, and to put on muscle, I'd probably say like 9 to 9 and 1/2.

68:03 Yeah. I I basically based off actually the Dorian Yates of men's physique. Look at that. Clip it up. That's going to be a reel. I thought last year, you know when when I saw you in the flesh and like obviously seeing how you train, there was a part of me that was like, "If you'd have stayed natty, I do think you would have been one of the best." Mhm. Like at a very, very young age. Like even if you'd have just done a natty season, how high can you get? How far can you get in one season? But, you know, I do I do get and appreciate that that that isn't your goal. Your goal is to you know, reach the the pinnacle in untested bodybuilding, so Well, the pinnacle's the natural Olympia, isn't it? Where it was probably the worst show I've ever been to in my entire life. That was the pinnacle.

68:52 Do you Do you think you'll ever tell a client not to do that show? every single client ever wants to do it. I think all the If I'm being honest, all the show like the UKBFF Worlds that was in Amsterdam shocking. Like it was a show. Like I don't I don't care. Like Lee Lee was an idiot on the day. I think a lot of the a lot of the stuff that you see within like bodybuilding, especially the natural realms abroad, isn't that good unless it's like high-end WMBF and like what you did. And even then like there's probably going to be a lot of things where there's a little bit of a cock-up and it's a shame because I honestly genuinely much rather natural bodybuilding when it comes to spectating. And not to say coaching cuz I think coaching big dudes is pretty cool. But like I definitely think from a spectatorship standpoint, I really like natural shows. When I went to the BNBF show on the weekend, I was like this is way better than PCA shows.

69:41 I really enjoy looking at people who are natural. I That's what I spent most of my time training naturally. So it's like I I appreciate it. I think it's class. But I just think that it's a shame that a lot of the shows are a bit shoddy like at the top end, unfortunately. I agree. Yeah. I agree. I remember when when Neil Cook random overall. Jump on gear. Sorry. I remember when Neil Curry went to the Olympia and he came back and I was like, "Oh, how was it?" It was like really really underwhelming.

70:10 Mhm. And that's the actual Olympia. Mhm. He's like, "Yeah, it just felt really poorly organized and rushed." That's a shame. Yeah. Yeah. will raby underscore is asked how to get a lean back. I don't know if he's having a dig at you. death protocol. Death protocol. Yeah, I honestly think and I'm I'm I spoke about this to Eagles. I do think PEDs have a bit of an impact when it comes to getting like some areas like absolutely skinned. Because like Josh, you saw me at 2 weeks out. I pulled off another 7 kilos from that point and I was from the front like genuinely like inside out. Like from everywhere I was inside out. Just my lower back was like just tiny bit soft. I had striated glutes. My hamstrings were dug out. But it was my lower back had a little layer, didn't it?

71:00 Yeah. Was you Was you Was you in prep? Like, was you trashed towards the end? I This sounds like so This again is a cringy cringy reply, but I'm very poor in knowing when I am. Like, Sonalia would have been like, "You're wrecked." But, I honestly don't think I was, but I physiologically probably was, if that makes sense. Yeah, so like, do you think that do you think it was body fat, or do you think it could have been just like an expression of like the amount of the amount of fatigue that you You You just You just don't know, do you? Like Yeah, I'd say I I have the issue where like it'll be 3 weeks out, and I'm like getting myself like amped up for 10 minutes prior to a top set leg press, or a like a hinge, because that's how I am. Like, I've always been like that.

71:45 And I do definitely think like if you could put somebody else's brain in my body at like those last 4 weeks, it probably would actually demonstrate a better look, cuz I wouldn't be getting myself as trashed. And I always want to do more. Like, I always like always want to do more cardio, don't want to pull back. So, I think there definitely is probably an element of of that, because like I I said, like if I was to show you visuals, it like almost doesn't make sense. Like, someone would literally be like, I I'd speak to people that are like a lot higher up than like us collectively, and they'd be like, "What the fuck?" Like, it's stupid, because I can get lean really easy, but it's my lower back always has a little bit of a layer. Death protocol got rid of that, because I think it was literally a case where after that I was going to die.

72:22 but, it was That was the Yeah, so yeah, had to get a lean lower back. I don't know. Sorry. Death protocol. Yeah, death protocol, right. That That is the answer. Do you know, for some people though, it is like they don't store much fat there. Like, I've got I've got guys that are prepping now where their lower backs are in, and their their abs aren't. It's It's just genetic. Like, Tom, you had it, didn't you, with your glutes being in before my abs, having like a one pack. It was It was just bizarre.

72:57 It's unfortunate, but there we go. Tom, I haven't dissected your physique ever, really. I'm sorry. Is that because your abs are a bit Do Do you have minimal muscle there? Or like is it No, but I've actually got decent ab like development. Now it My first competitive season it was bad, and then I actually started training abs, and it's a little bit better now. but now I've actually got pretty like in terms of my midsection is is pretty decent. It's pretty decent. It's just like body fat distribution-wise just very unfortunate for the midsection. It is what it is.

73:25 Fair enough. Yeah. John Free Love. We love you, John. Favorite bodybuilder in terms of physique and favorite footballer that you admire? Oh, that's sick. Favorite bodybuilder, peak Jeremy Buendia, like 2016 Olympia. I was not expecting that. I was not expecting that either. I was expecting like Nick Walker or No. I was expecting like Cbum. No, Jeremy Buendia, like mid-2000s. You know, like a few years into his like Olympia reign. He was back then, wasn't he?

73:56 He was so good, so so good. In my opinion, that's like the spitting image of what I think like men's physique is and should be. Yeah. In a way, it's a shame they've gone for like more tapered guys with really bubbly abs. Basically, a black dude with a tiny midsection. Like cuz I I look fit like a Jeremy Buendia, and I think it's like Last year, he wasn't that good. But in in his peak, that's like epitome of men's physique. Yes, his abs aren't symmetrical. Yes, his abs aren't so dry and grainy, and his midsection His midsection's tiny, but it's not like it's not got the same bubble as like a like let's say Aaron Banks or Brandon Hendrickson. But yeah, peak peak Jeremy Buendia would be my favorite physique by quite a distance. If I was to go bodybuilder, I really like Phil Heath. I think he's the best bodybuilder by quite some distance.

74:39 so yeah, and then classic Cbum's easy answer in it. Like I'd Yeah, probably There's probably a few classic guys that I'm like, oh yeah, really really good. Yianni, Yianni's my favorite classic. Yianni. Yeah, Yianni's is Yianni's favorite. Yeah, I thought that as well. Actually, I think even though he is mine, I think he's he prefers it in his head that it's him. He can say like that and totally happy to hear that. So, make that a real guys.

75:05 Don't. I don't you know what? I was I was thinking this about Yianni. I'd actually love to see him in a pair of board shorts. I think that With that with that waist. As much as I joke, I actually like genuinely, as much as I'm to joking, I really do like Yianni's physique. I think if he would look really cool in men's physique. He would look stupid because I think he's he's like an alien when it comes to how he's shaped, isn't it? Like Yeah.

75:27 You look at him and be like, what the Cuz he almost doesn't make sense. Yeah, he's it's almost cartoony. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. And that's in a weird way, I actually quite like that's what draws me to certain bodybuilders when it's like they just look like stupid, like really good for whatever reason. Like Jacob Tiper, my guy this year, stupid quads. Like stupid legs for 19. And like I just was like, wow, what the Like I think bodybuilding should have that like wow factor where you're like, what? Like when someone's so balanced and perfect, I'm just a bit like, yeah, like you look cool, but like I like something that's like sick, that's freaky.

76:02 Reece, what's my what's my wow? Your face, smile, you look Yes. Yes, I knew it would be that. I think for you it's like conditioning and how things flow because I look at you when you're in the gym in between shows in a tank top and I honestly think you just look like a very like decently built guy, but then you step on stage with a stage tan and it's like, wow, you make guys who are top twice the size of you look awful in comparison.

76:28 So, yeah, I'd say I'd probably say that. Oh, thanks, mate. Favorite footballer? We'll all have to answer. Tom, don't copy. You go first. We'll give it to you. Favorite footballer? Ever? Yeah. Michael Owen. Okay. Josh? Okay. Now, favorite footballer ever. Oh, maybe Can I change my mind? Torres. I'm going to say Torres at Liverpool. Good answer though. I want to change mine. Oh, off. No, cuz you picked a Liverpool player. Just leave it.

77:02 Crespo. Okay. Okay. I'm going to Can I show you something, guys? My mom, when I moved out, I I saved a few cards and it it fell off, so it's a little bit slanted. But, we have Cristiano Ronaldo and a Steven Gerrard. This was the reason pretty much why I started to support Liverpool. The Steven Gerrard one. I got it in a pack of Shoot Out cards. First ever pack or first ever like bunch of packs. It was like that all of the last cards. And then I then they went on to win the Champions League after that.

77:33 So, I was like, I guess I'm a fate. Yeah, I guess I'm a Liverpool fan now. so, I'd say Stevie G when I was younger. Chris I mean, Cristiano Ronaldo as well. I like Cristiano Ronaldo, so I like both of them. but, my favorite footballer probably be R9 Ronaldo just cuz I really like how he played, how he looked. like the support for me like Fat. Yeah, peak off season. Me and him are bros. no, I just I I I felt like as well like the potential. You know, it's like the the what if. You know, like Thiago Alcântara, Josh. When he's injured, you almost hold him in a higher standard.

78:04 Daniel Sturridge. I love Sturridge. Cuz it's the thought of him. You know, it's the thought of oh, if he was fit. So, yeah. Yeah, I I I get you completely. I think Torres for me is that like I can't remember what year it was, but the Liverpool top with like the white collar and long blonde hair with his little headband. All of it. And the goals that he scored were just phenomenal. Yeah, they were. Man's a legend. I remember Torres wanted like a knee slide like into a bolt kind of thing as a celebration.

78:34 And I did it. Well, Torres did that, so it must be okay. I remember And then and then one of them, yeah. So, I once scored on the on like the school playground on a concrete floor and I did a knee slide and just took all the skin off my knees.

79:07 I got expelled. That's when I moved to Germany for a bit. Right, anyway, next question. Will Kempshall Will Kemps forward, sorry. Tom's Klein. This is obviously This is obviously for Tom as well. Pick three. Salah, Mane, Firmino, Barnes, Suarez, Torres, Owen, Fowler, Jota, Sturridge, and Dalglish. Can you remember all them?

79:50 I agree. Thank you, Tom. I I love Bobby Firmino. I love Bobby Firmino. Who doesn't? Yeah, I think if I was to go like just heroes of mine, I'd go Firmino, Torres, and Suarez. Yeah. I often dream about Firmino. Just like coming into my dreams randomly. So, like I think my most recent one was he worked in a coffee shop and it was like, "All right, Bobby."

80:28 That's quite good. For real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love I love Bobby Firmino. Josh, you know when he was leaving? Do you remember it made the news? The game at Leicester, King Power, last year. It was one of his last games for Liverpool. The away fans chanted the Si Senor song for genuinely half an hour. I was there. And we sung literally for 30 minutes straight, like Si Senor, give the ball to Bobby and he'll score.

80:56 And like I was literally like they did it for like 3 minutes and then everyone just carried it on. And then he came over at the end and he was like dancing while we were singing it. And it was it was it was about it was when I was in in prep last year. Me and Sanam both went. And it was honestly like probably my favorite memory of like going to watch a game cuz it's away from home. It's Leicester, King Power in the I'm in the away fan away fan section.

81:18 And like Firmino's literally there dancing and we've just sung his song for 30 minutes. It was amazing. Amazing. Amazing. I think look being a Liverpool fan in general is just pretty amazing. But when you've got heroes like that, it's like Origi Origi. Love him. But he he's not a very good footballer. Let's be honest. I just love him. Yeah. enough about Liverpool. Reece, do you reckon you'd be a top pro in the naturals if you'd have stayed natty? #serious you you've said maybe.

81:50 I I would say I would say yeah, definitely. Do you reckon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've seen any photos of Reece like peak natty. I'll mate, just he's on YouTube. Okay. I'd say Josh, I was pre- I was pretty good. Like I was I was all right. Like I was No, I was Reece, you were very, very good. Very good. this this if you want to look there's some stuff of Reece putting in his younger years and you would look at it and go he'd take top three in the British finals at 16, 17 years old. Mad. That is pretty mad.

82:24 I always just had stupid doubts. Like it was stupid, stupid doubts. Yeah. So, yeah. I'd say I'd say yeah, potentially. Like, I feel like it's one of those if I could go pro natty, I'd say if I could go pro assisted, which that's the goal over the next few years, which I imagine will probably happen. I'll probably go pro natty I would have gone pro natty. You know, it would just be a great way I probably would have stayed with the men's physique, but I wouldn't have been able to put the tissue on.

82:46 Yeah. Right, we'll make this the last question and then we'll wrap up the podcast cuz I'm just saying it we're an hour and 20 in. Oh. What's your the longest podcast yet? Yeah. Yeah, congratulations. Oh, sorry. m.arcusmurphy I think he's trying to be clever with his Instagram handle. Would you rather eat flavored chocolate or chocolate flavored Oh, That's dumb. Yeah, chocolate flavored That's easy. chocolate flavored 100% because it's just flavored chocolate 100%.

83:16 I would I would I would go for chocolate chocolate flavored Yeah. you boys are disgusting. flavored chocolate all day. Before before we did this podcast me and Annabelle were sat watching Sat eating chocolate flavored Sat sat eating each other's and we were like, "Oh my god, this tastes like chocolate." no, we were sat watching we were sat watching another podcast on on YouTube and they were they were literally like just talking about, "Oh, do you go to the toilet? Like, do you do you stand up when you have a piss?"

83:50 And then one of them was like, "Oh, I get quite like a bit of stage fright, so I'll go and sit down." Rumor has it, Reece. You suffer from the same stage fright. Yeah. How do you know that? How did you What Why did you know that? I know. I I Okay, I don't in front of Sanya I'm sound. like No, no, it's but I am very much like I make a joke about it because if it ever does happen at shows, I'm like, "Oh, well, I've said it a million times." You know, so it's like, "Oh, yeah, it just happens." So, like, if I'm in the vicinity of like if there's loads of people just going for like a piss, I'm sound. But, it's you know, if there's like one of the dude and he's like Yeah, yeah, yeah.

84:29 And like you can hear if he's pissing and I can even get like that's when I'm like fully in my head. So, if I go and watch Liverpool and like let's say I'm in like let's say I go to a pub or whatever and I'm going to the toilet and there's like 10 people in there, sound, I'm cool. But, if there's like one or two or like a guy comes in to distract me, Ultra Flex, Rotherham, you know, the urinals, if I haven't started and someone comes next to me, I will stop and be like, "Yeah, you finish, bro. I'm There's no chance I'm going to like No, not going to be able to go for a wee until you're done."

84:54 Is it the fear of someone hearing you piss? No, I just don't know why. It's just like disconnect. It's just the awkwardness, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, like let's I'll be straight up. I'm going to get myself canceled here. Every single girl, it's scenario included, first time's never great cuz it's like I'm just like, " I need to I get like almost like that stage fright." And I don't know why cuz I'm very I'd say I'm very confident. You probably always probably can perceive that. But, for some reason it's like this connection where something if it if this the if something down there needs to work and it's like, "Right, it's one of the person, it doesn't work." If it's loads, I'm all Gs, I'm fine, trust me.

85:27 If there's like loads of people, yeah, I'm game. But, when it's just one and I'm like, "Oh, I hope she or I hope he knows that I can piss." I can't. Or they? Yeah, or they? Or they? Oh, gosh. Oh, I'm glad that you gave us a really in-depth response to that one, Reece. Yeah. I I Where did you hear Sorry, I want to know. Who's feeding you this information? Reece, you bro. That's top secret information, mate.

85:52 Okay. Someone once told me Ultra Flex that they went into the toilets and you was on your phone. Just having a pee. Well, I do that cuz Yeah, I do it to distract me. Yeah, yeah. I was like, "Oh, it must be like a nervous thing." You're just watching a random YouTube video. No, no, no. I will literally like go I'll scroll through Twitter like or something to try and distract me if I need if I Yeah, genuinely.

86:14 Crazy. I am struggle going to your right now. I just find them quite like it's not very relaxing process. I like to have a sit down week. Oh mate, really? So what if you go into like a cubicle you will you won't stand up you'll sit down and go like at home at home will you stand up and pee or do you sit down all the time? Sit down all the time. Wow, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you got to tuck your tuck your little fellow between your legs and Push it down.

86:42 we go. That's wild. That's that's such a waste of time. Yeah, that was weird. No, it's an investment of time because you feel fulfilled. You don't get the splash like, you know, it's a lot tidier. It's a lot more more relaxing. Feels like more of an event. Do you lift up the seat or keep the seat down? oh. Risk it. I say I'd lift it up but Sacha would disagree. She'd be like, "No, you don't." No, you don't.

87:08 it depends how how much you need to go. Like if you're bursting it's staying down. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. If it's bursting it's lucky I'm even in the bathroom. Imagine. You've got a garden now, mate. Just straight out there. In my in my accommodation in Leeds, the first one that I was in there was like a sink in the in my room and I every night I'd wake up and I was like cuz it was shared accommodation with only one shared bathroom. And I was like so tempted to be like, "It's a sink. I'm going to use it."

87:35 Did you use it? Once or twice. Yeah, come on. I had a sink in my room at uni. I used it. It was great. You just like it's like it wouldn't be in a normal like if it was a 6:00 p.m. 7:00 p.m. in the same day I'd be sound. So when you wake up in the middle of the night you're like Yeah. I ain't getting I just want to I'm not in much clothes. I don't want to try and risk bumping into someone that I live with and being like, "Oh, you all right?

87:59 It's 2:00 a.m. like I'm somewhat naked. You're somewhat naked. Like do you want to kiss or can I go for a wee?" Like it wasn't I was just like sink it is, you know? And then when like you had like a a random like guy stay over like it was always guys and they were like washing their hands and I was like washing their face I was like be careful there bro. Oh, uni was great. I loved it. I would rather have just stayed in my room and didn't go outside and didn't eat off plant. I just loved it. Wow.

88:23 Yeah, you didn't need to. You just pissed in your sink. Oh god. Right, an hour and a half congrats. Yeah, I think it was the most I've enjoyed it. Sorry if I've chatted for too much or whatever. No, no, no. It's been beautiful. It has, it's been wonderful. I knew it would be like this. so yeah, I'm very grateful for you giving us an hour and a half of your time. it is always a pleasure. we need to see each other more often. In fact, you know what? You can come on the podcast every single month if you want.

88:53 Oh, great. need to do your little silly one that you do. Can I Can I ask Josh? You said something that you're going to I think before we videoed or something you you were going to explain it in the podcast me and Finn. What was the What was that about? You said something at the start. You were like oh you and Finn You mentioned something. it was it was my idea of us going for a beer and doing a podcast in in a pub. There we go.

89:16 So I didn't know if you would cover that. I thought it might have been. But yeah, that's that's that. are going to go wild for it. They're going to be like oh my god that that's make it happen. The pubs are going to get in touch and sponsor it and it's going to be amazing. That m.arcus whatever his name is like I think the guy asked the question. m.arcus Murphy Marcus, yeah. Fantastic. Marcus, m.arcus coming soon.

89:38 Yeah, it's coming now. Right Reece, tell the people where they can find you. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, YouTube. no, I post on I post on Instagram. I have a YouTube that I should really post on more. So now I need to edit a few videos that I've done that I'm paying up for in Starbucks and she still hasn't edited them so I don't know what the she's doing. so yeah, Reecefit on all available platforms I actually can be bothered to post upon.

90:07 Coaching slots available. That's that. Much love. See you later. Bye-bye. Class. Your signal has gone dreadful. Tommy, are you getting that? Yeah, I can I can I can still see him. Josh, can Josh, I can I can hear you. I can see you fine. Reese is currently frozen at the moment. Yeah. Right. He's now gone. Reese, oh great. Oh no. Oh no.

90:40 Right. I can hear you. We We hear you. anything. Guys, thank you for listening. Like and subscribe. We will see you in the next one.