Founder of Team Gloff & Prep Coach Nick Gloff

0:02 welcome to behind the muscle podcast today's guest is the founder of Team glove he's also an athlete for team raw and revive and finally he's also the co-host of the going deep podcast today's guest is Nick gloff Nick welcome back to the podcast man what's up dude not a whole lot dude just excited to kind of get you on for round two we kind of had the normal typical BTM podcast kind of

0:33 got your your backstory your history a little bit there's been a lot that's kind of unfolded I think just this year I think we've chopped it up maybe about a year ago so I'm kind of just excited to catch up with you man I want to talk a little bit about you and Matt berzakot's podcast you guys just released released episode one this past week I listened to the majority of that so I kind of want to just pull a few

0:54 things out from that podcast so what I kind of want to start with though Nick why don't you and you you brought this up on on your guys's podcast but I just kind of want you to give us a cliff notes of you were in prep this year talk a little bit about why you decided not to finish this year's prep if you if you don't mind sure sure so I've had three runs successive at prep

1:19 the first two of them I ended up not being able to do for health reasons so and I did talk at a fair length on that podcast so like the bigger details and everything I talked for like a full hour on it on my podcast the going deep podcast for anybody that wants to hear the full details I'll refer you over there but Cliff Notes version I had the first two preps that I had to pull out

1:43 of because of health reasons so long story short of the origins of those health problems back in college I pushed myself way too far so I put way too much stuff on my plate on purpose because I'm a masochist in that way and I wanted to get everything I possibly could out of the years that I was in school and so I had to pay my way through so I had a night job I had a relationship I had two dogs to

2:10 take care of I had a double major with exercise science and kinesiology at one of the best exercise science schools in the country I worked in a biomechanics lab helped to organize the work for rate of force development research that we were doing there that was ongoing for years what else I mean I was a mentor for a handful of guys that lived with me as a coach but really more as a mentoring role I was coaching also at the time just

2:38 getting my feet wet and getting started and I was also while I was in school I was really working hard to maintain my like top of the class status with what I was doing with my grades and through that as well I was a bit of a tutor at the same time for a lot of the people that were around me that knew that I was that guy and so I I had a lot of hats I

3:02 was wearing plus I was training the whole time and my training never lost any precedence for me that was always something that I held very very highly in my daily structure and so it was my time of Solace my solitude it was great but with all of that considered I pushed myself way too far to the point that I had to have you know three to five tops hours of sleep at night while I was under that kind of stress and like over

3:30 stemmed all the time just to survive with all the rest of the stressors I ended up getting pushed by nearing the end of my college Years I got pushed a little bit too far and in one stint of time that was leading up into finals week I ended up having to admit myself into the hospital because everything from my hips to my feet were changing color to purple and inflating with water retention that got

4:02 so bad that from my my upper legs my thighs down to my knee and then below was all one uniform width it's like which is not good not good so and I had to admit myself and I was told that I was in acute kidney failure yeah because of all of the stressors that I put myself under consistently consistently training still being on high stems and then never sleeping and that kind of sleep that three to five

4:33 hours of sleep max that I would get was consistent for pretty much five years up to that point and so with what I was doing and if anybody wanted to see what I was doing you can even go back onto my Instagram and scroll far enough to see what I was doing on the on the gym floor back then so it wasn't anything that you could just easily recover from even with a normal athlete schedule where you're

4:57 actually getting eight to nine ten hours of sleep a night I was doing it with three to five and for a lot of times I had to pull a lot of all-nighters just to keep everything running and that caught up to me so what I found out later was that I wasn't an actual kidney failure it was just the numbers that I was exhibiting on my blood work and your analysis were just showing that I was

5:20 not keeping up with the damage and the damage was quite High so once I got everything cleared out I was fine but ever since that point when I get to a certain level of stressors overall for my body and my every every single Source it gets to a certain threshold and then it goes into the same path and it just slopes down for me so water retention starts coming on really heavily and it's not just a

5:48 couple pounds like three to five ten tops it's it'll go from none to ten within a couple of days then from 10 to 20 within another couple days and then it'll go up to almost 30 and stay and that's what happened with the first two preps of mine the first one was an experiment with other Peds that I had never used before as well which did not help the situation and that only made things that much

6:14 harder to manage and then figure out what the exact source of the problems were and then the second one was a little bit less of that type of an issue but it was still a similar circumstance where I was doing way too much all at once and I didn't have things nailed down to the degree that I could handle the rest of my other life things while I was going through prep so that those stress levels with all the

6:37 activity and the low food and the consistent pushing myself of which I wasn't the smartest with pushing myself in the gym at that point either so it all brought itself to a head where I landed in the same spot that I did in college for that would be the third time this last time I didn't have that happen so I managed things much better than I had before which you know Pat myself on the back good job I learned my lesson the hard

7:04 way enough times that I didn't make the same mistakes again however what what was different this time is that my my life right now I have a lot of people that rely on me especially within like you mentioned in my introduction with team glauf so that's not just a hashtag or something that I call my business it's really a team and it really is a bunch of people that give a about each other and so I have a lot of people

7:35 in that community that I've now built that I'm extremely lucky to have had exactly the people that have fallen into it to this point I have all of those people that rely on me for me making their life decisions really I mean as a coach when you take it seriously enough you're going to be somebody that is directly implanted in somebody's life that's helping them with serious decisions especially if you're an enhanced bodybuilder enhanced bodybuilders put their lives in

8:05 the hands of their coaches that's just what it is and it is that extreme it's not something to bat around so and I had more clients now than I ever had in the past and so that kind of responsibility in the work that I had to be doing for them plus financial responsibility on me where I actually I'll say this I don't know if I've said this on the on the other podcast but I went into school in doing

8:34 everything that I've done so I could get successful as quickly as I could so that I could help my family back home actually is really the the number one driving force for me because I'm just a small town kid with a family that has struggled for as long as I've been alive and the one thing that I really wanted was to be the kid that made it so I can help so I can make sure that my mom never had

9:02 to work again like that's really what it's always been for me and with that I have been helping in the last year or so that I've been able to because my business is doing pretty well and then I have other people that are in my life that rely on me financially and then emotionally and just everything in every aspect really so there's way too many responsibilities on my shoulders from the people that were supporting me the most

9:32 for doing the prep where me continuing to go through the rest of the prep that I had needed to get through which by the time that I had pulled out was still 10 weeks to the first show and 14 to the second by 20 weeks out I was already getting pushed too far I wasn't handling my own prep I had a coach but I was already looking at having the next 20 to 24 weeks being extremely

10:03 difficult to the point that I was barely even functioning in my normal everyday life and obviously every bodybuilder out there is going to be like oh well it's just what prep is like hold on being a 250 pound bodybuilder having 1700 calories a day doing over 70 minutes of cardio structure today on the stairs plus an hour and a half on a treadmill a day just for the steps to add that's plus

10:33 the training that's about seven hours a day of physical activity right there alone at 20 weeks and so what was going on with me is I would get done with the cardio in the morning from 20 weeks out all the way up to 10. oh can you hear that no I can't oh okay sorry just a whole motorcade went by Oh no you're good man that's all good all good gotcha so with all that was getting balanced off I

11:05 could not manage to continue functioning so I would get up in the morning I would do my cardio and I would come back and for me to continue living my day it wasn't just having a hypo episode that would go away or having like reactive hypotension when you stand up and you don't get the blood to your head as quickly as you like and it just goes away it would be anytime I would stand up I would have to pretty much use a

11:28 cane I'd have to hold myself up on every object in the near vicinity so that I didn't hit the deck and then eventually by about 17 weeks out it was every time I went to do cardio or activity it was that same deal I had to hold myself up just to get myself to them struggle my way through them and then afterwards I'd be a zombie because there was there was absolutely nothing left to me because it

11:53 was too much too soon too consistently without having any sort of pullback which is pretty much exactly the same circumstances that my first two preps went under which were the mistakes that I was trying to avoid but those mistakes weren't ones that were me to change they were for the person that I trust as coach to change right and so it was just a problem that I had to deal with and by the time I got to 10

12:20 weeks out there was really not very many cards left to pull and I was already dug in that far and in that time I had already had to pull back on my business responsibilities handling my people the way that they should be handling the people in my life the way that they should be controlling all of those like the normal life things that actually are important and like I alluded to just a couple of seconds ago

12:49 I couldn't by the time I got to that 10-week out Mark after going through that for 10 weeks I have another 10 then 14 to get through I've already started to peel myself away from everybody in the manner that you would when you start feeling like death at five six weeks out which is normal because everybody understands you get to five six weeks out it's like you get a pass say all right dude like you you feel like death

13:19 we understand it's cool you just hunker down and do the bare minimum of what you need to do so you can survive and get to the end of this you can't start having that at 17 weeks out from the first one and 21 from the second and then everyone just throws up their hands like my clients that are dependent on me and I am dependent on them for my income I can't just go yeah well it's prep guys

13:46 like seeing a half a year because that was literally it it was like I had a half a year to go at that point and say it's not not feasible by then so I had to make the decision with everything that was going on in my own personal life plus my business responsibilities and everyone that relies on me for what I get out of that should I sacrifice all those responsibilities to all of these people

14:16 the exact people that support me the most that I want to do the show to vindicate does that make any sense like that's really like that's where I got to it's like does it make any sense for me to make the decision to continue on for the next 10 weeks and then 14 with this show season despite the fact that all of these people are going to suffer as a result

14:47 and they're exactly the people that support me the most like that's just cross wires that you can't uncross and so I got to that point I was like all right there's really no decision here I need to pull out and make sure that I actually take care of business take care of my people because they're more important than me in their processes take care of all the people around me in my life that need it that I have been

15:10 neglecting up to that point because I had no ability to continue to function my normal way so I was out of options it was either continued to stick it out and suck it up because that's what bodybuilders do and then just be left with nothing at the end because my business would have been completely and utterly collapsed by then anyone that didn't have multiple year coaching loyalty with me would be gone and that's not enough to live on

15:38 and then my own relationship here probably wouldn't be in the best place just like most bodybuilders understand thing which are and that's actually something that I can pull instead of talking mostly about me here saying a general sense this is kind of a this is a battle that a lot of bodybuilders have and go through but most of them choose wrong the story of I was just gonna do it no matter what and then you get down to it

16:09 and then they lose everything they estrange their family they lose their relationship no matter how solid it was they end up living out of their car or whatever and having their last dollars just be their entry fees and the food for the last week of the show and then figuring out their life afterwards after it's been completely shattered to bits it's like foreign I know for a fact that there are more important things than just that and I am

16:41 not willing to sacrifice everything else that my life is to get on a stage and then potentially hopefully get qualified to go to the Nationals to make a run at a pro card which there's no guarantee I'd be able to do two high stakes for too little benefit in my opinion and so for where I'm at now after getting enough distance away from that decision making

17:12 I am working my hardest to build up my business systems so that I can have everything run smoothly as I possibly can get it to be so that I can peel myself away some from some parts of the process that don't necessarily need to be me that can be done a little bit better a little bit smoother they can be done more uniformly and then changing some of the ways that I go about my coaching that can make it

17:36 a little bit easier to manage even by time that I'm struggling so that things can just continue to move on smoothly by the time I get there because that was definitely a weak spot of mind for this last prep that ended up leaving me in trouble that doesn't need to happen again and so that's where I'm at with that and as of right now I'm just handling myself all of my own things just so that I can keep myself on the

18:01 straight and narrow and doing what I got to do figure myself out and then set up my plans for this following year why don't you tell us Nick then about you mentioned kind of like you know building a community earlier with Team glauf how how is is this has this been something kind of organic or or how do you kind of approach building like a community that's like-minded building a team in terms like you know the the coaching space

18:29 so the way that it actually initially started was when I first started coaching all the way back in the beginning I was a part of a coaching group back then before I even had done anything really on my own aside from posting things on Instagram and going through school and doing the rest because I started in my last year of college so at that time I was working with a coaching group and one of the things

18:52 that they did was they had multiple different group Chats on different apps that they would be able to communicate with one another in whatever format that they would like to and they would have weekly calls and those calls on the weekend were multiple hours long which was not going to be something that I wanted to emulate having it be like a six hour event however they did have weekly calls and that was something that I really liked

19:19 about the whole service and I connected with those two pieces of it and saw that there was a lot of potential in doing that aside from doing like Facebook groups and all the rest of it because I didn't want to put anything into like a Facebook group because I don't know it just becomes extra for whatever reason it just becomes something that it wasn't intended to be so having it some on a platform that's a little bit decentralized from that so

19:44 it's not as easily intertwined into like all the other internet sources of information like going out of Facebook it easily becomes like meme Wars time when you have a chat room on something like that and then it's just it pulls in other topics that have absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding and it can become divisive because the world we live in right now is quite divisive in a lot of ways and it just opens the door to too many things

20:09 that are going to be end up being problematic to the community building effort and so having every single one of my clients on one group chat in WhatsApp was initially for that purpose to build the community but also so that I can give out announcements and do it all at one place so anything that was going on with me I could communicate very easily to everyone that was a client of mine all at the same time and as

20:37 that continue to grow and the roster grew and people were there for longer and longer times they just started talking amongst one each one one another building very tiny groups within each other then to my surprise a good handful of them ended up pulling together and making their own group chats outside of the original group chat and then just continually pulling people into those ones all the separate ones that they created and then built this like super super strong tight-knit

21:10 friend group within the team and with that I mean I can just take note on this last week of what that was for me as the team go off trip I just had this last week which is a biannual event now where I have a bunch of athletes fly in and stay down here with me and they get an Airbnb and then they live the bodybuilding life just down here in Stuart train at revive and get

21:36 to spend a whole lot of time with me and had a really nice turnout this time we had a couple bodies missing from the normal crew that had started it from last year however it was fantastic we got a couple new faces as well and it really is and I have some videos on my YouTube If people are interested in seeing this I have a recap video of the first one that is up there now and then maybe by the time

22:04 that this one comes out this podcast comes out or shortly thereafter there will be another one which will be a full recap video of the entire team trip this time so you can see everything that went on and how every everybody is together but that first one through you could see on that YouTube video just how tightly knit everyone is and by the end of it there's we all sat down on a couch and just talked and into a camera

22:33 just to give the recap of the weekend and everyone that spoke up pretty much said that they've never seen a more cohesive group of people in one place ever to just walk into the same house and live together for a whole week and be able to co-exist in harmony like that and be on the same page finish each other's sentences and just be happy the whole time that they're there have not a single complaint about any single person or any

23:01 single happening the whole time it's like completely unheard of for human beings put in one place so so yeah I mean me building that Community is partially just because of me I mean pulling people in and I think that's a self-selecting process over my coaching where people that are similar to me are going to find their way in because they like to hear what I have to say one and then two they like to the delivery method

23:30 because I speak in a very specific way I put that through into text in a very specific way you can see my values through the way that I go I go about doing all my social media presence and so the people that are more likely to engage with that end up being clients of mine and it's usually the people that attach to it the most become clients of mine so they self-select in and they're all pretty similar in that way to begin with

23:56 and then once they're actually in the mix and they find a whole lot of other people that are already there that are outspoken enough to make themselves heard that are the same as well but they're different enough that they're intriguing to have heard it builds a community in itself and I don't have to do a thing at this point it's a runaway train that I I have barely any control over it's really the the guys that originated the team

24:26 culture which is not me the team culture was built by the guys that really come down to these trips now the ones that showed up to the team calls every week every single week for the last multiple years it's the Mainstays of the team that really built that unit that now stand at the core of it and whenever somebody pops into the team they're just like hey come on in let's let's see what you got let's see what you have to say let's see

24:54 what you're like and we're gonna make you feel like you're part of part of the real Team you're going to be on first string with the rest of us I love that man so Nick what for you what what do you want team glove to become and then what is your goal as a mentor as a coach in terms of like more of on the on the prep side right so do you have goals of you know having

25:22 somebody win the Olympia multiple Olympia winners like what is the the team glof goal like Vision long term and then what is your individual like prep coaching goal in terms of your athletes and and future athletes my goal is to take it as far as I can possibly get it to go and as far as as far as I'm concerned I can bring it all the way to the end and have somebody that's working under me take to the

25:50 Olympia stage if I'm not lucky enough to get an Olympia winner by the luck of the draw I am positive I can get somebody onto the Olympia stage and now whether that's in training specific coaching or it's all inclusive is yet to be seen however there's a lot of years between now and then and that's where I'm at right now is I'm taking it as far as I can and helping my guys as much as I possibly can to do

26:17 what I can with them and so that's where my eyes are set right now at the end goal it's going to change who who knows how many times the goal posts are going to change for me between now and then and so I like to keep the next goal sitting directly in front of my face so I can continually Crush those and keep on moving forward but it's always driving myself towards the highest peak I can get to

26:43 is where I'm always looking at and I make the actions on the short term you may or may not have heard that one yeah I heard the the dog barking right yeah yeah the girlfriend just left and so she's throwing a tantrum yep Okay so yeah yeah it's real life yeah so that's really the end goal I want to get somebody to the Olympia stage at some point whether it's through training or

27:15 it's through full-on coaching doesn't really matter to me I think it can be done in either way and so that's where I'm looking at and really my maybe you can tell by the the the expression the thing that really gets me jazzed up is thinking about the guys that I've had from the very beginning of their careers and bring them as far as they can go whether or not that's a single show or it's all the way up to the end

27:43 getting them up onto the Olympia stage at some point in whatever division that they're in doesn't matter to me I want to see those guys make it as far as I can possibly get them to be and all the people that have decided to put their faith in me up to this point that want to get to that ultimate end goal I want to see them through to the end because that's I don't know if it's a it's a thing with

28:06 me or if it's just a thing that coaches don't typically talk about it's we do kind of like attach ourselves onto these long like these bigger goals that like everyone's got like every every coach is going to tell you yep I want to get athletes on the Olympia stage it's like that's the normal canned answer but I think there's something missing in the responses especially with the motivations of the coach if they come out with the answer that they would

28:33 prefer to do that in any means possible rather than bring the guys that were already with them for so many years to the ultimate end goal that they could possibly get to which is really where I want to be because I get more fulfillment giving that investment into some into somebody and then having all of that come to fruition at the very end rather than maybe getting somebody on the Olympia stage to put you know a pat on my own

29:00 back for I don't know have a guy for a single prep and he was already on the door of it he was already going to be there anyway he was already qualified or high level Nationals you tweak a couple of things you get them to the pro stage and there you go like that's gonna be a lot less fulfilling than it is to have somebody for years that started from the bottom brought them all the way up through the ranks

29:26 and just found a way to get them as far as they could go it doesn't matter if they hit the Olympia stage or not is as far as they could possibly take it and that's what really resonates to me the most that's what energizes me to think about rather than get somebody on the Olympia stage one way or another because it's still it's the most prestigious show it's the Super Bowl of bodybuilding but these are people that we're working

29:54 with and it's these people's goals that honestly like as a coach there should be no splitting or like hierarchy of goal importance for a coach's mind whether or not it's the first show they've ever done or it's the Olympia for the amount of importance that you should be holding that prep in for those people and I feel the same that's just the way it is for me every single show is the biggest show

30:27 it doesn't matter what it really is and I think that energy that you can give to your clients and the people that are actually dependent on you for the help can feel that energy or the lack thereof when your goal is really to just get people on the Olympia stage oh did I lose you no I'm still here I lost you okay foreign

31:01 so for where I'm at as a coach my biggest goal is just to take the guys that I've had that I've built up that whether or not they're Midway through their Journey or from the very beginning seeing them through for a good long period of time to get them to their final end goal because that's really what's important to me as a coach more so than the accolades of getting somebody onto the Olympia stage because the accolades

31:24 don't mean much to me it'll be cool because that's like the peak of competitive bodybuilding and competitive bodybuilding coaching but I think being able to get somebody there that wouldn't have likely gotten there without your help is so much more more fulfilling than finding that genetic freak the Ferrari that just walks into your doors like here bring me there it's like okay why don't you go and look at some

31:55 dumbbells for an hour literally look at them and then go eat your food and then blow up and then there you go Olympia physique it's like not all that fulfilling there's not much you can do as a coach it's more so like the the adage about snc coaches where when you get an sc snc coach that's all the way up at like the NBA the NFL and all the rest of them your job isn't so much to create great athletes is to make

32:26 sure that they don't trip over things and get hurt in the gym I don't want to be that snc coach in our realm where my job is just don't screw this up dude just don't screw this up like yeah just don't hurt yourself be super careful Nerf everything like it's not it it's not fulfilling so really yes I do want to get people onto the Olympia stage but I want to do it my way cool okay now something that you and

32:59 Matt berzaka on your guys's first episode of going deep you you you you kind of touched on it just in passing as you guys were just kind of chit chatting and kind of Matt was sharing his story you were sharing a little bit of your prep story from this year of why you didn't finish it and and it really caught my attention because I am not a prep coach I don't coach people online but I own a gym and

33:23 I train people in person so this is kind of the perspective I'm coming from and I've realized that you know when somebody steps into the gym and you are spending 60 minutes with them training them and all that they they're bringing their energy into the gym and into that 60-minute session they're bringing their baggage they're bringing their life into your space and your life right and and you and Matt I think it was more you kind of again you

33:52 just kind of you you you you brought it to to our listeners attention and then you guys kind of moved on in passing because both of you understand all this but I want to draw this out of you because it's something that I'm learning as an in-person trainer and even as a business owner and I think this is something for the people that are watching listening to this it's going to be a great lesson learned and it's going

34:14 to be kind of an eye-opening so I want you to dive a little bit deeper Nick into when you take on a new client whether that's online or or you're training them in person talk about the the emotional investment that goes into taking on a client and prepping them and doing all of that and how their energy and all of their baggage and all of their life you're basically ingesting that and I know what you're you I know you know

34:43 what I'm talking about maybe some of the people watching the listing may not understand that's why I want you to break it down in your terms and from your experience and and what does that look like what does that mean so the biggest thing to always recognize when you're in that position is you're in a position of power there is a power Dynamic there and it's necessary because you're the person that's leading them you need to be the

35:10 person that is leading the charge you've got the machete in hand knocking out all the brush you're the person that they're relying on to bring you to that next step in every single Next Step along the way and every single next step we have to realize that we're not dealing with people that have they're not the NBA athletes they're not the NFL athletes that have everything in their life has been put to side so that they can do this one thing

35:34 in bodybuilding we we really don't have that aside from like a very small few exceptions very vanishingly small especially as time goes on and the financial backing of athletes changes in nature over time back in the day that was more likely the case so you would get the big supplement contracts you'd be living on a couple hundred thousand dollars a year just from doing that and then winnings and all the rest of it we don't have that now

36:05 it's you still have that for some but even those contracts are smaller you're more reliant on your own independent revenue streams so like those those things are different and knowing that from the beginning and people that know that now especially getting into bodybuilding in this current age people aren't going into it with this is the only thing they have a full-time job maybe a full-time job and a side hustle or two and they've got their own family issues

36:36 and they're dealing with personal relationship stuff and they've got everything that a normal human does plus bodybuilding and when you take on a client as a coach you are literally taking their what their life can look like in the future from the time they start to the time that they end with you or from the time they start in every single time point in between as they go through their Journey

37:07 it's really your decision making that guides where they land and you got to look at it that way it's not just I'm doing this decision to change what your body fat levels are going to be at at six months from now or how much muscle tissue you're going to have from this time to that time it's like it's not just that it's not coaching a process towards a goal that you can just write down on a piece of paper with a single

37:37 sentence it's really dealing with people not the process dealing with people to guide them through the process to get them as close to that final end that they're trying to get to within their minds and what our Collective vision is between coach and client to finally make it there and for absolutely everyone that has any type of a goal especially any sort of a bigger goal in their life there's going to be a lot of things that

38:06 can derail you and there's a lot of distractions and there's a lot of real things that at certain times are going to have to take your attention and precedence so that you can have a normal life outside of just doing the thing that we like to do is at the end of the day for the majority people you take it all the way to the end of your competitive career and the majority don't get to stand on

38:28 the Olympia stage the goal is always to get the person as far as they can go but for the majority of people as a coach you have to deal in numbers you have to realize that you're not going to be able to treat all of them as if they're there it's not like this is the only thing that should matter to you why didn't you get that meal in on this day this one meal that you missed throughout the

38:51 entire week it's like oh well I was in a business meeting that was a little bit went over and it was a big deal and I kind of couldn't step away from that it's like well there's some coaches and I know for a fact that some coaches would be like well I guess you don't take bodybuilding seriously enough or maybe they had to miss a training session because they had a fight with their spouse and they had to deal with

39:15 it because that's real or something even more catastrophic happens they have a death in the family it's like when they're not going to pull the the old Arnold thing it's like Yeah well my dad died and I went to the gym on the same day as a funeral it's like that's not the way that you should be living your life as a human being that bodybuilds because we're human beings that do bodybuilding not bodybuilders with

39:47 exclusion to everything else so keeping that thought process in mind at least keeps you grounded enough to understand that okay these people are going to live through their normal life plus this living through their normal life plus this and they're putting all of their faith into you to make the decisions that will guide them there within both of your best abilities to follow it that's a lot that you need to handle and along the way you need to be able to

40:18 hear them for where they are and what's actually going on because what they're actually able to do within bodybuilding is going to be directly related to how the rest of their life is functioning if there's no wherewithal about like all the other things that could be happening with them and you just keep on going with the process as it would be without having any sort of respect to what's happening you're either you're relying on somebody to have that completely exclusionary

40:45 mindset and then eventually pushing themselves towards self-destruction because of it which again you come back to the initial line of this you're taking people's lives into your hands and what their life will look look like in six months a year two years three years from now is going to be directly related to the way that you handle them so you're the coach and you can just completely skirt responsibility for it

41:15 be like well what happens in your personal life is all you do it's like which is true but at the same time if you're over reliant on especially the people that are going to be more type a very super goal oriented really organized and you just lean them hard right into you this is the thing that matters because of the way that you project your value system onto them for what you would like to see them as clients

41:41 because it makes it easier if you treat athletes like their machines like you just give them the input data and you expect reliable output data and you just continue to do that to get to the the desired end goal you treat them like that it makes it really easy on the coach for sure but at certain times the person that is that input output machine is having a whole hell of a lot more inputs that you're

42:05 not expecting that you're not open to hearing and then taking in a calculation for the expected outputs that come out of it and that ends up being a frustrating thing for the coach because they're not understanding what's going on or they're just not well equipped enough to handle people's personal issues enough so that they can actually level with them or even just have basic human empathy which is something I see in a fair few amount of coaches just a basic lack of human

42:33 empathy that leaves you with just this super mechanical way of doing things with everyone it's a repeatable process it's coaching the process and that's what we even see all the memes about it's like enjoy the process like everything's about the process like it's not about the person achieving it it's not about the person putting in the effort to get there it's like it's a completely exclusionary mindset which as a coach or a in-person PT

43:05 you can't put what you want out of them in a place where it's completely out of reach for them by normal means with what they can actually do your calculations as a coach and as a PT needs to be looking at okay what can you actually feasibly do give in all of this you may need to change some things you can handle the rest of this better of which we still stand as a liaison to help guide them and figure okay well

43:36 here's my experience and here's other people's normal experience with having bodybuilding is something that we care about and then all these other things that we still need to juggle you may have to change your approaches to this this this and this the way you think about this this this and this and then just adjust everything so that you can live and coexist within the bodybuilding sphere doing what you want to do when actually getting what you

43:59 want out of it while handling the rest of your life but it's all getting put into account so that the actual bodybuilding part of it is also tailored to what the person can do which is a huge missing piece that a lot of coaches and PTs just don't have because they like they get in there and they turn off the human empathy they're just like this is the job this is it this is bodybuilding if you're not about

44:25 it don't be about it get out of here it's like okay well these are these are people that are coming to you because they want to and they care don't push your All or Nothing where all is literally taking all of what they have from everything else and then taking it away to put it into this one thing because that's what you would want to do that's an unfair expectation and in my personal view that is one of

44:58 the biggest things that is a problem with bodybuilding coaching so we almost pull it from the roots of the big Sports it's like we'd imagine what the best coaches in the world would do in the biggest Sports and yeah you have people that literally have nothing else so what do you do you treat them like a process you just it's the same machinations for everybody

45:29 you just push them through you grind them through and that's it you don't have that here and you can't treat it like that or else you end up being a shitty coach yeah so do you have a little bit more time Nick or do we need to kind of start wrapping things up I have a little bit more time okay so I I guess I want just to pull out from you or follow up with what you just shared how do you as

45:55 a coach or how do I as a trainer how do we protect ourselves when we are in taking so much of everybody else's energy and baggage and and and and their lives like because I think that's a little bit of what you were talking about earlier on this podcast on your guys's podcast with Matt about just those you've got to the point in your perhaps where there's so much stress there's so much going on and specifically this last one for you you

46:22 have so many you know irons in the fire it's just I I think it can be overwhelming and I found myself in that position you know as well owning a business and trying to do prep and training people this and that so how can we protect ourselves so that we you know in a year or two aren't completely wiped out burned out and trying to figure out you know where where we're going we we have nothing left yeah

46:47 that's something that I'm trying to figure out perfectly myself so I'll I'll give you what I can on it at the very least so I know for myself part of the problem with trying to manage all of that is not having everything within the business ran in a way that I could detach myself from a lot of the pieces of it that didn't necessarily have to be me like I referred to when we were first getting

47:14 started with this with the introductions one it's a problem if you have to be attached to every piece of the process and it's more time consuming than it necessarily has to be because it's not ironed out and fine-tuned to the degree that it can almost be automated even if it's not fully automated having all of it like put together in a way that it just does most of the time consuming work for you and it's intuitive enough that it's very

47:41 easy to manage by the time that you do need to push it through and get everything done that's needed to be done and then having honestly like having revenue streams that aren't solely dependent on the hours of work that you put in as un non-feasible as that is for a lot of people honestly that's a big that's a big part of it and as coaches or in-person pts there are some things that you could do to offer those types of

48:09 services where you put in a large time commitment creative thinking commitment and product creation commitment that'll give you the opportunity to put all that down and then have that given out to more and more people where it's not Direct Time investment for every single interaction you have from that point and so that's those are some things that I'm going to be working on myself which I'm currently working on to have more deliverable things that can work as another separate

48:39 Revenue stream so that you're not feeling like you're and not even just feeling but you're not solely tied to the revenue that you get from just the clients themselves because that Dynamic there although an unnecessary one can make things really difficult for you to keep up your boundaries which is exactly the problem that's how you keep your sanity is having boundaries that you don't compromise on

49:10 that's the thing so I talked about on the podcast like the way that the coaching structures and the way that they've changed and I don't know if it was on the first one or the second one that's about to come out this following Monday I can't remember I was sitting in that chair talking about it I remember but one of the things about coaching is that since we're all on a free advertising platform everyone has the ability to go do it

49:37 and with that it's become a rat race in a Chase to have the next thing or the higher sell with your services so that people are going to that are window shopping it are going to look at what you do and be like oh I get more with this person than this person and this is their price versus their price and looks like that's the better value so there we go like that's it's turned into really a

50:03 rat race that is honestly like not productive for anybody because it draws even the people that have the moral and value system to just do everything that they need to for their people and not have to go and give the 15 things that are on the flyer just because not even because it's actually helpful to the service just because it's another thing that you could put there with the bullet point hey it ends up creating a dynamic for you

50:34 that's almost untenable because you also feel like if you're always being window shopped then you need to over deliver to the nth degree to the point that they can never even think about the possibility of leaving because they just get so much for such a value that it just wouldn't make sense and as much as most coaches may not want to admit that goes through their mind it does and as a in-person PT it's probably the

51:04 same thing we're thinking about like well what's my Edge over this next person that's in the gym at the same time as me that's doing this training are they looking over at what they're doing and seeing that maybe they have a little tip or a trick or something that I don't have or are they adding another part to their service that isn't just on the gym floor that maybe I could do and it's still out of

51:25 your means because you just can't figure a way to add that in and like so there's always this which is partially a good pressure to keep you elevating but it comes to a point and that point doesn't have an end in the current culture and so the boundaries that we set end up being very flimsy a lot of the time because we're trying to find that next upsell because it's a direct evaluation of what we're able to provide and what our

51:54 service is worth by having that next upsell for that upsell when you don't have a deliverable of some kind or a solid system that works for you you have to either build that system from scratch and most of the time when it's built out of necessity it's not built as smoothly for operation as it would be if it was further thought out for another reason which is something that I'm finding because a lot of my business is it runs

52:22 not the smoothest because I just did it in an organized fashion that worked for me that made sense to me but it pulls in a whole lot more time investment overall from everybody and then with the specifics of the way that I run my coaching there's just added elements to it that add another Personal Touch that can be just a runaway train for time spent and then because I am open with people and I want to be able to help them with

52:52 things that they're handling because I don't just coach the process I coach the person that's a hard Line in the Sand to draw where there's some things that you would just think that people won't tell you that you won't have to deal with but some people just don't have that filter or they feel comfortable enough to share it with you and in either case what it is is what it is and you have to deal with it once it's in your lap

53:18 the key to that is just not to have it fall in your lap in the first place if it's something that is actually unnecessary for you to know if it's really something that you do need to know that they do need help with and they're reaching out to you it's still your job to take care of it at the very least it's your job to hear them out because most people just need that they just need to be heard that's what

53:41 they want most people some people just want to complain but most people don't they're trying to get out something that they don't have another opportunity to and they don't have a safe person to tell it to not everybody has a therapist not everybody has people that directly surround them in their lives that are always going to be receptive to what they have to say and if you're an impartial person that is there with the role of supporting them

54:11 it's a natural thing that they're going to turn to you at some point if you actually approach them with enough humanity and enough humility to be able to accept and take on what they have to tell you it may just be the case that you end up handling that and if it does come to that so be it but then there's the separation between those things that they actually need and the people that are actually in that

54:37 tough spot that require that and then the people that will just have a problem and then every problem becomes yours there is a fine line between those two there's people that genuinely need help and that you are it is incumbent on you to help them because they're turning to you because they really need it and then there's the people that just find a problem out of anything that will turn all of their problems into your problem

55:06 and to get around the problem of having those people on that side of things overrun your time spend on your business that takes away from your own mental health and your ability to handle everyone properly or to scale your business further or continue to go and engage in all the other parts of your practice that you need to be paying attention to or paying attention to other things in your own life to be able to spend that time doing that problem

55:34 juggling for people that just don't have problem solving skills within themselves that becomes hard it becomes extremely hard and those are boundaries that are hard to know exactly how to set up and I'm in that position right now I'm trying to figure my way through just trying to find that perfect balance you always want to have and I talk because I I want to make sure that I say that I don't have the answer

56:05 I just have where I've gone and where I am right now and I find it difficult to have both the open door for anyone that needs it and have it expressed that I'm here to help but also be able to keep the boundary solid enough that it doesn't become you're just the problem receptacle now so to find where that is it's what I'm seeing is a problem for myself

56:35 is that I rely on the clients themselves for that where I would hope that the people that are actually there are going to decide that not every problem is my problem and they'll keep those to themselves to problem solve on their own rather than it all just falling into me which is in itself a problem because there should be a more solid barrier there that would disallow that from happening or being entertained

57:06 through the people that don't have that wherewithal to understand the fact that they are doing that they have no remorse for it they're just they're just doing it because there's people that are like that they just don't understand the impact that what they're doing is having and once they have a place to push their problems too they do we all know people like that so it becomes difficult to manage those those boundaries and barriers that you

57:33 have in place and I don't really have a solid answer but I know for a fact that something that does help is not being only and solely tied to the money that you get from your clients only because that Dynamic of need ends up becoming one way at that point and so you never feel as though okay so you're actually taking on everything in good faith

58:03 if they're coming to you with a problem and you accept helping them that's you helping them because you want to rather than oh crap there's another one and now I gotta deal with this so I can make sure I can pay my rent next month that's not a place that you should be especially if you're actually trying to coach people it's not helpful

58:34 ends up lose but it pulls away all your boundaries the quickest having a financial incentive not to have them is the quickest way to lose them awesome man okay can I ask you a question pertaining to Peds or would you rather not discuss that right now sure you can ask okay so this will be kind of the last serious question and then I've got a couple fun ones to kind of close this out and then I'll let you

59:02 go the question I want to ask Nick is you know you started taking PDS at a fairly young age is that something that you wish that you wouldn't have and how do you kind of approach people that ask you that question like hey I'm 18 I'm 17. should I start taking Peds how do you navigate those questions how do you look back on your life and do you have any regrets of how young you started ped use

59:32 that's a good question so for me personally I would say that it was the right decision for me at the time even with all the problems that it did give me over the times that I did start using them in the first years however I think in my own personal development it actually helped me in a way so it gave me the next step into the thing that I cared the most about and it gave me another depth to my

60:00 character where I hadn't I really had to contend with for the first time in my life with the very real Danger of having my life be lost or my health forever be lost because of decisions that I make badly having that as a thought on your mind because it necessarily has to be there is an accelerator for how conscientious you can be

60:30 and so in some ways it really helped me to take a better understanding of the risks that are involved and then how to manage all of the all the unspoken things that come from going down this road especially early so I didn't have a full life established I was just making things happen as they went and I went in the path that brought me to the place that I am now which I can't really say that I regret

61:02 so for me do I regret it no I don't I have some health issues that came up that were probably made worse buy them for sure however all in all I'm pretty healthy I really don't have any issues to speak of that are going to be long-standing in any way shape or form beyond what most dudes that do bodybuilding end up having just through their competitive years so nothing really to to go back on for

61:34 that decision on that and it's brought me to the place that I am now which I could not have done without honestly say it was part it was a huge part of being able to get the development out of myself that I was doing with all the work I was already going to be doing in the first place so to help me but that's all I'll say on that me personally but with people that are your question

62:03 and this is the important part of the question what people that are 17 18 19 20 coming to me to ask should I start like hell no hell no don't don't don't don't don't don't you don't want to do that too early it worked out for me but don't make a one in I don't even know how many statistically that make it through this

62:35 and get to a better place as a result are there's some more prominent people that could tell this story that do a similar thing to me that started early they already had their Mind Set On where they were going to go they just drove right through all the to get there and then they are where they are sitting today from where they can speak on it to where they can say that it was a positive experience

62:58 there are way more people that it does not go that way and they start and it causes problems for them whether or not it's health related or it's just personal issues or any anything possible causes some sort of a problem for them or they go through their own personal problems that have nothing to do with it and then it just becomes an added complication and then what happens if bodybuilding in your early years is something that you

63:28 care about and then a couple years later you don't and now you've made the decision where we all know that you make the decision to start using Peds it's okay well this isn't something you can take lightly this is once you start the likelihood that you will need support hormonally for the rest of your life is quite High so high that you have to kind of accept when you take your first shot of whatever it is that you're going to do

63:58 you're going to be on for life that is a heavy decision to make for one moment to start things and if you haven't gotten to the point of starting it yet delay that as long as you possibly can especially with being so young being 17 18 19 is what I tend to see now especially as I I'm getting a little bit older I mean I'm 24 almost 25 so I'm not that old but I feel like I'm old in the in the

64:31 way that I'm seeing everything through social media because timelines on social media age is like so ridiculously compressed it's like you see a decade of change in like the social structures within a year of time which is insane so looking back on the way that things go and watching people as they go through the Journey Through the times that they do lots and lots and lots of people are drawn directly into the gym and then after that in the bodybuilding

65:03 in their really young years and they attached to it because it's the next physical Endeavor that they can get into probably we're in sports prior and they really enjoyed them and they got a lot out of them and then they just walked into the next sport that they could do feasibly because they're not some sort of super athlete and so they attached themselves into this thing and then they go super gung-ho into it and now they have social

65:30 support all around them throughout Instagram and now Tick Tock and YouTube and all the rest of it and it gives this sense of hope that oh anyone can make it it's like anyone can make it but not everyone can make it is the thing that people don't get so especially now seeing these 7 16 17 to 20 year olds having a whole crew of guys

66:00 with their seven thousand dollar camera and just filming each other while they're liter literally standing pow-wowing around a bench for three hours doing nothing but pounding on their chests with anything below 225 because none of them are strong enough for that anyway like and completely like as as heavy as a wet dog like this it's not those guys that are gonna make it but they still try and if you want to give yourself the nice picture to think of

66:32 do are you falling in that category or not if you are you have a lot more personal work to do first and then to figure out whether you actually care about it or not because it's this is a thing that you will do by yourself by yourself the gym time maybe you'll share with somebody else but everything that makes you a bodybuilder and makes you successful at it you are going to do with no one else telling you you got to

66:59 do it all of the time every day from the day that you decide to start it until it's over you're the one that has to prepare your meals and get them in you're the person that has to go and do the physical activity and the cardio and get that in you're the one that has to coordinate everything in your life to allow this to be held in the place where your schedule actually fits so you could do this you can continue to

67:23 get better you have to be able to care about how you structure your training so it's actually individualized to you enough you get where you're supposed to be going you have to care enough and put yourself to bed at night and get your water in and make sure that you're salting your meals and like all the all the little details that's you the individual that has to decide to do that it's not the team that stands around you

67:48 that's going to get you to do that but that's the missing piece I think with these really young guys that want to get into it because they still have that little bit of an attachment to like what that team camaraderie is like and they have that with even maybe the group of people that they have now decided to all go into bodybuilding together with give it another year give it another two years a lot of those guys are going to drop

68:14 off they're not gonna really care about bodybuilding anymore it was just a nice nice thing to go and do with the boys to go and train and just have a good time and now maybe what they're doing is they're going to the same gym but they're going on playing on the basketball court still doing something but it's not bodybuilding and maybe you're the only one left did you decide that you were going to take Peds back then and then

68:37 you realized that it was really about the camaraderie aspect and having a team around you that made you want to do it and take it that far it's a realization that you probably won't make until you get to that point where it backfires it's I would think about it this way if I can encapsulate it this like people say that when you want to get a tattoo you choose what you want and then you sit on it

69:05 sit on it for a year two years three years and then maybe you look back and go like all right well I still really want it three to five years down the line anyway all right well that's reasonable enough I'll get it because that'll be on my body from now until I die say well you should probably think about taking PEDs in a similar way it's like okay well this is something I want to do I have a lot that I could still do

69:31 between now and then before I start using so why don't I just go and do that and make sure that I live bodybuilding for a good long time and make sure that I do actually love it within all of the circumstances that life is going to throw at me that could pull me off the path if you go a year two years three years four and you look back and you're like huh I really do love it I'm doing this all by

69:56 myself there's nobody around me anymore I don't have the pow-wow of the dudes around the bench press I don't have a raving fan base on YouTube that is just pushing forward like you're just doing it on your own like do you still care do you still want to do it for your own personal reasons yes there you go then you make the the cost to benefit ratio of what that decision is going to give you versus take away

70:25 and then you make the decision for yourself at that point but if it's been that amount of time then it's been a choice that you've wanted to make you actually have some perspective on what it may or may not mean to you by the time you make it instead of just send yourself into the into the deep end and then figure it out from there there's way too many people that end up making that decision and unluckily don't

70:47 end up like me where you go from high school where you knew that you wanted to do this you go into college knowing that you wanted to do this you continue doing it all the way through you make it right out and then you start coaching immediately and start getting fairly successful off of the gate and then two years later to where I am now is in a quite good place as a coach and as an athlete to where I can speak

71:14 on a podcast like this and actually be invited to talk on something like this because I matter enough that I'm invited so not a lot of people end up there so even if you can go and I'm talking through through the camera not to you but to the people that are listening to this that may be falling in that age range if this is a decision that you're making and you're going and you're finding people on podcasts like this to validate

71:45 your decision you'll find them you're guaranteed to find them you're going to find many more people than me that will say go ahead do it I don't see a problem with it that's when I started cool yeah go for it it did well for me and it could be on maybe the majority of bodybuilding podcasts that you go on to that you listen through that you'll hear that but then you got to think about the statistics here

72:13 of all of the people that do bodybuilding how many of their faces appear on a podcast vanishingly low percentage so that's got to be something that has to be kept in mind it's just a self-selection process so don't make your decision based off of what other people are telling you you gotta wait and wait especially with bodybuilding where we have so much progress that can be made without them

72:44 especially in your younger years so it's like it's a it's a catch-22 here it's like okay well you can decide to go on Peds and then continue to rapidly go through all those years that you have the progress to be made you're trying to get ahead of it and get it early so you go in early with them but at the same time between 16 and 22 are going to be the most wild times for you to put on tissue and get strong in

73:12 your whole life so in that period of time where people are making this early decision do you really need to no no you're just developing everything that would be the base of what will be added to when the PDS go in at a later point and you're already getting so much support by your body doing what it's supposed to be doing you're going to have the steroid-like gains just by being you and taking care

73:43 of your health in those years so you might as well and then after that point you make the decision but again that's given you all that time where you are actually maximizing what you can get learning how to love bodybuilding and whether or not you do then you look back on the decision once all of that like great gains between 17 to 22 starts to peel its way back then you can make the decision and you've gotten the time and you've seen

74:11 what it's like you've gone through the grind now it's time I'll leave it at that or else I'll talk forever yeah man you know what we we could literally I I've got so many more questions I got so much more stuff I want to touch on but I you've got a lot going on I've got a lot going on so I just a couple quick fun things and then I'll let you go so this will be our quick hitter give me

74:34 your top two gym pet peeves Nick I think I already said one if the the group of six plus broccoli heads with seven thousand dollar Canon camera filming the 135 pound bench press without a shirt on like that encapsulates it honestly because I it's so ubiquitous now it's an it's insane to me you can go in any gym

75:06 and it's just for some reason how all these kids have the money for a camera like a professional camera I don't understand but they do apparently and then they come in with a whole group and then it's just filming each other for YouTube it's like guys that like that's a pet peeve for me because it's like it's almost like a bastardization of what that actually is to a great degree it's like okay you're trying to make it cool but do you have

75:34 something of value to present or are you just doing the same cringy Tick Tock type thing where you're just doing a a double on 135 for the bench press and then tinting the color down with the contrast as much as you can putting beast mode over it with a voiceover and then just getting up and like doing a crab pose directly after your sets like okay like great did you get a million views on that good for you nobody knows

76:04 your name so there you go that that's that that's like 10 of them wrapped up in one we'll leave it right it's perfect okay last last kind of fun one I'm kind of curious who do you got as like maybe like a dark horse for the Olympia or somebody that you think is really gonna you know get cracked into that top five we'll say that hasn't been there before any anybody off the top of your mind

76:35 this year I honestly don't even I don't even believe that we're gonna have too many new faces that are going to make it into that top five so yeah I'm thinking that we're gonna have a pretty consistent lineup from one to five I think after that is going to be a big Shuffle let me let me throw this name in there Derek Lunsford what do you what do you think about him do you think he has a shot at the top

76:58 five or not I think he potentially could but I don't know if he's gonna be able to do that right now as good as he is and I give him credit I've seen him in person he's he's impressive extremely and he has a fantastic structure as we've all seen but it's going to be one depending on whether or not it all lands properly because that's been a limited run of those that have landed properly for him when it's really mattered the

77:26 most which he would himself admit but then further than that just knowing that the Olympia is a bit of a political stage you have to be so ridiculously above everyone else to get pushed up if you haven't been there and so since he's been 212 he's got some cred but at the same time going into open it's like this is a this is a new group you got to work your way up from the back is kind of the way that things run even

77:56 because we've seen this so many times with so many athletes that were like clearly he's better than them but they get dropped back behind them because it's their first or their second time and comparative to the other ones that have been there five six whatever times like you haven't paid your dues yet so I don't think it's a merit thing I think Derek could definitely be in the mix of top five by his merits but by the political nature of the

78:24 Olympia stage I don't believe so I think could be put maybe seventh or eighth is where I would place them okay yeah really quickly with Hunter Labrada and Nick Walker do you see either of those guys getting into the top three this year at the Olympia yes okay which one or both of them I see Nick will definitely be there I'm pretty confident that he'll be able

78:54 to land that and then Hunter depending on what he's looking like because he's made a lot of change this year so as a dark horse would go to your question he would be a dark horse but we've seen him so many times too that I wouldn't exactly like register him as a dark horse he's just going to be a big Improvement so whether or not he's going to beat Nick I don't know my own bias would say no

79:19 not anything against Hunter but Nick is just a freak of freaks he looks like a cartoon character so I'm thinking that with the size game I think he's going to take him just a bit and I don't think that the structure benefit that Hunter has is going to shine through enough that it'll outplay the rest of the mass game is where I stand with it so I think Nick

79:50 will still stand in front because so long as both of them are in pretty much exactly the same condition I think Nick will still win cool all right man we will we'll leave it right there there's a lot more we'll hopefully get you on again in the future Nick really quickly Before I Let You Go why don't you give us your Instagram any anything else that you want to leave with us any shout outs anything platform's yours man all right well

80:16 thank you for having me first of all I appreciate it my Instagram is Nick gloff it's just my name so and everyone misspells my last name so it's n-i-c-k-g-l-o-f-f there you go and then I have teamgloth.com which is my main website and then I have my YouTube which is just under Nick gloff same thing find it easy then you can go and find the going deeper podcast with myself and Matt burzacott and that is on going

80:47 deep podcast on YouTube obviously it's brand new so we don't have very good hits on it yet so you're probably gonna have to scroll a little bit to find where it's at however that's pretty much all my things at the moment new projects are coming down the pipeline so just keep your eyes out on all of my platforms and you'll be seeing them as they come cool all right Nick appreciate your time I'm going to do a quick outro then I'll

81:10 let you go okay all right go ahead cool all of you who are tuning in to this episode of behind the muscle podcast I just want to say thank you so very much quickly here as we wrap up this great chat today with Nick if you have not done so already make sure you hit that subscribe button on YouTube and then also please take this episode with Nick share it on your Instagram stories make sure you tag Nick tag behind the

81:33 muscle so that we know that you listen specifically to this episode and found great value in it in which I know you did and then per the usual I will leave you all with this remember behind the muscle there's always a story we'll catch you guys later