Ep. 12: Why Humbled Trader Switched To Swing Trading ($280k Verified Profits)

0:00 today we welcome humbled Traer who fairly recently verified on Kimo I bet you she'll never been on Kimo she doesn't know how to trade I have no problem with the Pumpers it just makes trading more fun the most profitable traders who make the most money they're not necessarily going to be the best teachers so that's why I'm so big about swing trading large caps because I think no those tend to be welcome back everybody today we welcome humbled Traer

0:29 who fairly recently verified on kall I see currently on a a 30 Kish month almost 300K on the year today we're going to talk about her trading this year a decision decision to join kall and a little about a brand new scanner stock start iio that is recently co-founded but first Fe a Trader absolute pleasure how are you I'm good thanks for having me Stephen I'm excited but also a little bit nervous you is isn't possible for you to be

1:00 nervous how can you possibly be nervous I I was losing sleep over this last night thinking I'm might ask right questions I'm going say the wrong question I'm gonna but you've interviewed so many people no yeah but like I'm I'm an introvert at heart so every time have to speak in front of people and I know a lot of people will be watching this podcast I get nervous don't worry it's h it's you and me both but yeah here we are

1:25 live so look the first question is look you've been trading for a decade m couple of years longer than me as well you're now talking about transitioning into swing trading which is which is a crazy move it's a it's a big it's a big change what is inspiring this change now I think a big part of this transition is also at first was really inspired by not this year but last year's Traders for cost conference when

1:56 went there was this swing Trader this n figure 10 figure 10 figure swing Trader K Magi and he really talked about how with swing trading you're maximizing your profit but with day trading you're really only capturing the move of the stock in one single day so that really inspired me I went back I did some research like all a lot of stocks I I already day trade I trade a lot of large cap stocks when I do day

2:27 trade I switch over from small cap to large caps and then I found out from charts that hey like there is a lot of Truth to what he said all most of the stocks I day traded on the Longs side for large caps a lot of them went on multi-day multi-week multi-month breakouts so that kind of it was what originally inspired me to start looking into like swing trading a l a lot more seriously than I did years before so

2:56 that's the first thing to to in order to capture more upside the second thing I think just realistically I I started day trading one was like 22 I I can no longer stare at the chart all day I I can no longer you know do what I used to do stay stay stay up looking at charts wake up at 4:00 a.m. every single morning because I'm on the Vancouver time zone so realistically like I I don't really see myself day

3:25 trading every single day for the next 20 years so a lot of it is also just like realizing that hey I need a at least find a way to diversify my strategies and trading Styles so you know that's say during busy months when I'm away from the computer for days at a time I'm not just away from the market altogether I still want some skin in the game and yeah and that was really echoed by in October shortly after I kind of

3:55 publicly announced that I'm going to focus on swing trading more I got Co and then I got hit with pneumonia right after covid so I basically haven't been able to day trade for a month or so now I just recovered from my pneumonia so I think all this happening all at once just really kind of echoed that sentiment I had before that hey I really need to take swing trading a lot more seriously and day trading is one method

4:25 to make money but it's not the only way yeah no no I totally understand that and and I remember we had Jack Kellog on on a while ago as well and and he had that intense drive and that intense work and and in the end it affected his health and and he's at the point of just saying like look I remember he made a YouTube video as well saying look I'm I'm retired I'm retired from Trading I'm

4:48 not taking a full time do you think people just kind of burn out there's only so many years in the game and if you go all in like you have you kind of burn out a little bit yeah I think that's true and and also after meeting so many traders in person I'm always surprised when I find out about their age because their actual age is often like five 10 years younger than their ex their their appearance

5:17 SO trading is really ages you yeah no it absolutely does actually like I look at some Traders and I look at the pictures 5 years ago and I look at them now and I'm like you look a little you look a little bit older than I I thought and it's no but it's serious though I mean like I've traded for years as well and like I I would be like 10 o'clock in the morning and I'd be in a a big

5:38 position more comfortable than I should be and I'd be thinking I need a kind of beer right now but I can't drink beer at 10 o' in the morning but it's just because your emotions are the emotions were like this i' be trembling and that that obviously takes a all on your body but but I mean for you I mean I've watched your videos on when you've explained the advantages of part-time trading and you kind of you you're

5:59 letting the day trades play out longer if I understand correctly so like is the more Edge in doing that do you find that you you can make more profits or is it purely I need to step away it's a time thing no I I I think it's both but I do think like even even if I was you know a little bit younger and able to day trade more I think swing trading will be a very good strategy to kind of maximize

6:25 your profits I think a lot of Traders they do have two accounts one for day trading and one for swing trading just so you can capture all the upside that there is presented yeah and then I mean four new traders in the game I thought what you said was quite bold I think I CAU you saying you would recommend that new traders who were working wouldn't wouldn't do trade you'd recommend them to swing trade yeah just elaborate a bit

6:52 on that I think the market when I first started trading day trading part-time 10 years ago I think the market at the time presented a lot more predictable opportunities this is just my opinion but I think after 2021 2022 a lot of things changed especially with the smoke caps so what used to be predictable patterns for day trading I think every couple of months nowadays is something that surprises us even though I don't trade small caps anymore I kind of still

7:24 observe I think they're just so much more kind of irrational changes or manipulation or some random either like a stock would dump all day or a squeeze all day there's just too much random action nowadays I think as someone starting out trading part-time I really don't think you can really understand all the moves of the market just trading parttime day trading part-time anymore especially on small caps so

7:54 that's why I'm so big about swing trading large caps because I think know those tend to be a little bit more predictable and a lot easier to follow the trend if that makes sense no no it makes full sense and I remember like I remember when I had me best year tradeing 2020 2021 like the market seemed predictable a lot of Gap would just crap you could just rinse and repeat the same things Anda I think

8:19 trading's a lot harder these days and then if you're under 10 cerence as well it's easier to follow the trend this podcast is brought to you by stocks IO the fastest simple and more affordable stock scanner co-founded by Humble Trader click the link in the description to start trading with the fastest stock scanner now back to the episode so that brings me to your 2024 how's how's your 2024 going in the market I love to see that you're on

8:47 kim4 it's amazing it's amazing to see your 2024 on kim4 but talk us through how it's been yeah 2024 I will say I I still day traded a lot more in the beginning of the year all the way until probably July and for me when I kind of compare because I attack my trades so I know that how the day trades are performing and how the swing trades are performing I I would say the the you

9:14 know if I had just stick with stuck with sling trading this year I would have been a lot more profitable but at the same time there were definitely still a lot of opportunities in this year that's really great for day trading so I can't really complain so I will say just looking at my performance on Kimo I think what around I'm around 280k almost 300K

9:44 majority of what of that is from swing trading and a lot of big draw Downs I had this year was from day trading so that's what I meant by if I just focus on swing trading I think my year would being a lot Greener and a lot less stressful but that also means the last couple months from pretty much from September to onwards till now in November I've been only pretty much swing trading and I would say this is

10:16 probably the least stressful time trading this year I had and there was a lot less a lot less of this a lot more like steady climb and P back and steady c so I'm happy to see that no but I mean like for me I I I watch what you do and I know I know that you we'll get into stocks stocks iio in a moment pretty soon we'll get to stocks iio you're doing stocks iio you're obviously

10:44 managing your teaching side of the business you're trading like I look at you and and I know how hard it is I know how many hours go into the work that you do because I do a lot of it I do a lot of similar work I just think like you must be some kind of machine like how do you possibly like how do you possibly operate on this level for Su same period and that made us think like how do you

11:04 do everything that you're doing being as busy that as you are and still manage the highs of the good parts of trading and then how do you endure the lows like what what are you doing to your mental side to like survive this I think it's interesting that you're asking that because I would say I'm pretty much used to the highs and lows of trading now after 10 years and three years the beginning of failing I'm

11:30 pretty much used to this with trading so honestly among everything else I do like social media stocks and my community trading is overall the least stressful part of my business because if you think about it if I if I lose a lot of money in one trade it just means it's my problem like I just got to fix it and and I've had a lot of big draw Downs over the years as well and I've managed to to get through it so I think

12:03 a lot of times it's just a matter of reflecting on past big losses or bad trades and realize that okay what what what kind of tactics or how did I get through it the last time around and I'll just rinse and repeat the same process and usually that process is just downsizing if if a big losses from day trade I'll downsize my day trade position you know at least for two weeks and then I'll would keep track of

12:32 my performance my journals and once I get back to my normal that's say win rates or normal risk reward that I usually have then that's when I slowly scale back up and I've been pretty much using this exact process for the last three years and and I'm pretty sure I will have to have big losses again in the future so it's just a matter of remembering what it feels like right now what I used to get through it

13:02 and repeating the same process let's say in six months or a year if I have a big draw down again but I mean you you must be pretty level-headed to go through all of this like do do you feel like you like a lot of the best Traders are without emotion do you feel like you fit into that category or you can manage your emotions or I think I'm I'm actually a pretty emotional person yeah I see it on your

13:28 videos that's what I was thinking and that's why I asked because I see the emotions I see the character on your videos so I'm like this girl's like a normal girl she's just like which is she's doing really well in that trading so how how she handle it trading yeah I'm really emotional but also at the same time I don't think it's about like eliminating all emotions I think it's just about understanding your emotions like I know when I'm about to

13:53 tilt because I've done that before so I just stopped myself so I think it's Mo mostly about understanding why you're emotional and when you're about to be really triggered to get very emotional then you stop that's it so you don't get to the point where I'm emotional in front of the keyboard but rather I'm emotional outside my office or outside of the home you have that yeah you can say because when I like I did okay in trading I'm I'm net

14:23 profitable overall but but when I get emotional I drink a full bottle of wine and continue trading oh no and I I think I think I think that's a bit of a downfall I think that's where I'm going wrong I'm not I'm 100% but I think that's where I'm going wrong I start drinking a bottle of wine and things go wrong and I carry on I think what you should change is make it two bottles of

14:44 wine but outside will be all I think that's I think that's the Cure here no I think I can have a bottle of whiskey I'm just not allowed to I'm not allowed to trade the next day but I've got I've got one one final question then I want to get on stocks iio because I've been on stock I'm really really impressed with the platform I think you've carved a real niche in the market right there and

15:04 it shows a real business a business Acumen what you've demonstrated here so we'll get into that but I just want to ask you look you work I I know that you work incredibly hard we've talked about it six seven days what drives you what is the drive behind all of this H I think that's a that could be a very deep question hm like if if we're gonna really talk about the root of all this it's like I guess

15:35 growing up no one wanted to be my friends in school so I I just feel like I was never good enough to be someone else's friends really yeah sorry do we just like get a little bit too deep but no no I'm absolutely love it I'm like give me more but I don't want to I don't want to push you too hard on it yeah yeah like I didn't have many friends especially after I immigrated to Canada like I

15:58 didn't speak English I was just kind of nerdy overall so that's not exactly a good combination to have friends you know like I'm not popular at school didn't go to prom didn't go to grad events barely made it to my graduation but but I think I think at the root of it like it's like I always felt like I need to do stuff to to prove that hey like you know like like you know like I'm

16:30 worthy of being someone's friends or something else so I think that's the root of it so it's not really about of course I want to make money while doing it but it's not about the money it's just about oh I want to move on to the next challenge the next thing so I can I can add more I add more things to like the projects I've worked on failed or currently working on I think that's the root of it you know like I I I want

16:59 to make sure that I'm a worthy person whether it's to my friends or my parents or my future partner yeah no I can completely understand since since you went deep I'll go deep and then we'll go stock AIO but from for me I I was like everyone sees me online as like the funny guy the funny guy who who says funny things and gets drunk for YouTube but the reality was that when I was in school I

17:24 had many periods without friends got bullied got bullied and stuff like that and something has driven me to prove not prove everyone wrong but prove myself right it's something like that like I need to prove that I'm worthy of me Dad's attention Dad look at it and I'm not a excuse me language I'm not a up Dad I'm not a up M look what I did like and it's like I want to prove through success that I

17:49 can I'm just the same as you I'm worthy I'm worthy and there's this drive that that makes us want to work five six days a week for me it's a marketing business and trading for you it's it's all of your businesses but it's a good thing do you think it's a good thing in the end it's a good thing in the end because you've got where you are now yeah I think it's a I think overall

18:11 is nit positive as long as but of course there a all downsides it's like yeah right like I I mean I don't need to talk about it but but that's the reason a lot of Traders High performing Traders are super depressed yeah it's like once you get there like what's next right like so so I'm I'm I'm pretty I I reflect a lot that also means I'm really emotional because I I reflect yeah the question you ask what drives me I I

18:41 think about this like every week and I I know what drives me I also know the downsides which is why I'm actively swing trading is a good solution because it gives me a little bit more free time and time personal life with my friends and loved ones so I think that's also another reason because otherwise I feel like I'll just fill my day my Google Calendar is always full like I feel like on deep inside I

19:09 enjoy seeing it full and and and it shouldn't be like I I should get some r no but it's it's I know I know exactly I know exactly what you mean but like I I enjoy I enjoy the Chase and but I know I also know like a lot of people see the success and they don't see the downside but for me even for me I haven't even achieved that much but a lot of people say Stephen what you

19:30 did is really cool and you've got a nice following but I'll say yeah but I still feel a little bit sad when I go to bed at night still feel a little bit sad sometimes before I go to bed at night thinking am I enough have I done enough but but like you've got to take the bad with the good and and I take the bad with the good and I would never change who I am yes so anyway that's the therapy

19:49 lesson for the day and thank thank you for the therapy class by the way I feel a little bit I feel a little bit later I hope you feel a little bit lighter I'm hope feel like I I unlocked a little bit of trauma there so thanks for that U moment that was shared but going on to stocks iio you've you've launched co-founded a brand new scanner and you've built and brought it to the market in six months which is if anyone

20:14 knows technology it's crazy it's crazy to do something like that so tell us a little bit about that yeah so stock IO I'm actually not the founder I'm a co-founder I was approached by the founder of spiky so we kind of started talking near the end of 20123 about how we can work together and I had the idea that hey my biggest issue at the moment with my trading is

20:45 that my scanner you know at the time I was using a previous scanner it's not the most intuitive it's clunky and I hate it the number one thing I hate when I'm about to travel is is you know I you have to download all the settings and like move it to a USB put in your laptop and I reload everything I hate that I hate that process because once you have a couple different like trading platforms it takes time to do that so

21:15 I was like okay can we just make a a web based better scanner that's easier to use a little bit more you know beginner friendly for users and not so heavy to carry around so that was the entire thesis and how stocks the idea was originated and then you know I had no idea we can build things out so fast in six months and then he actually built it so he's in charge of building the software developing it and I'm the

21:46 person in charge of customer feedback marketing and obviously teaching people how to properly use scanners and all the different strategies that you can do with your scanners in order to kind of succeed as a Trader I mean and I and I I've used the scanner and it was funny because I I loaded up the scanner and I thought here I go one more scanner one more scanner that I'm going to have to look at and I

22:14 looked at it and I thought wow I actually understand everything on the scanner straight away like I didn't have to I didn't have to learn anything I didn't have to watch a tutorial I just thought it was like intuitive you know like an iPhone where you just know where to click the buttons it's like all right this is this this is this I press the he button for this but I mean why why did you feel the need to bring out something

22:34 like this now yeah I think you're right there's a lot of scanners out there already but I don't think there's anything that's very easy to use it's either too heavy or too too heavy too clunky or just like you said you lock onto it and you're like overwhelmed like oh shoot like what's going on how do I you know like a lot of Traders say only need a specific aspect of the scanner that's it that's all they

23:03 use and they would just want to load it up and it runs in a background and becomes like a really seamless part about their trade planning process and they don't have to like overthink about oh checking the scanner every every second so that's the whole idea is to make it very simple to use and I'm glad that it was very easy for you to understand as well that's the entire thesis something simple something that Traders can let aage it works well on

23:31 mobile too so that's another thing I want something that I can just see on my phone without loading it up on my PC yeah I know and like look everybody says don't over complicate trading case keep it simple stupid yeah I guess is that the goal that you've kind of gone with of like just don't make trading because like I'm I'm turning 40 in a couple of years and like I'm starting to not know where Zoom buttons are and not know

23:55 where like Microsoft email buttons are so like is that the goal like make it make it good for everybody yes yes that's that's the goal and Stephen you'll be the you no but yeah it's just just to make it really simple because not all Traders are techsavvy like a lot of Traders they've been trading for for decades and you know they they they are not in in touch with the latest AI the latest

24:26 latest Motion Graphics and what not so we just need something that loads up and then people know exactly how to use it and I hopefully we've achieved that from what you just said no no and it's funny because like I mean this happens in the market as well with companies but it's like I see a trend recently with scanners where it's like a we'll just put AI on the website and we'll charge an extra $100 a month like

24:47 it seems like like something like that's happening so like what's the price of your scanner CU it's I think it's cheaper than the others no yeah it's it's very cheap it's $70 a month well $5.99 for the whole year yeah so that's in comparison to a lot of our other competitors at 120 130 or if you want AI I think it's like 220 or something like that per month and and and and you know granted they they do give a lot of

25:19 extra features but I know most Traders don't need all the features that they offer at a 120 price point or 220 so you know so that's where I think stocks really comes into to shine because it gives you news feed pre-market Gap scan you can create some custom scans to sort out the small caps large caps institutional ownership Insider ownership short percentage which is really important for certain traders who

25:49 trade small caps so it gu just gives you all the essential information you need in a very easy to access platform so I think that's the biggest differentiator is that you don't need all the bells and whistles that a lot of other heavy scanners have you just need you just need this a very essential way to gather all your Market data for the stocks that you're looking to trade no no 100% AG great I think there's

26:16 generally like six or seven indicators that you can everyone every Trader has an a thesis and as long as you've got those covered I mean that works but I mean so so you've built this you've brought it to Market in six months what's next is it is it going to turn into a much bigger thing or is it going to be like simple intuitive it works it's not too expensive and that's it no we have a lot more planned for stocks

26:40 the first phase is just having a simple scanner which I think we've achieved that the next phase is to kind of start integrating more features into it so it becomes this o and one platform that any stock Trader will need to do all their research because right now you know that we have we a lot of Traders do different softwares for everything let's say SEC filings that say news that say scanners that say you know they have another place to to store

27:13 their trade ideas we want to bring all that into one platform so what's coming up on stocks IO is alerts that's being worked down right now alerts not just price alerts but indicator alerts alerts when the stocks hit certain technical indicators that start fitting our criteria and also watch list is up next where I can start putting stocks that I'm watching I I usually just leave all the stocks on my D trator Pro

27:44 platform but I want a way to keep track of it all in the same place as my pre-market scanner so I want to a place to seore my watch list and put alerts on them when it hit certain indicators well when the charts hit certain patterns I'm looking for especially for swing trading so in a lot of ways selfishly stocks is just a way for me to systematize my process and make everything seamless for for day

28:15 trading and swing trading no and like all of the best thing all of the best inventions are ever born of the founder not being able to find a solution to the their own problem that they have right so you've had this problem you bessed around with USBS you found software clunky and you just said look I'm just going to build this myself I'm just going to build something myself with with with your partner with Spike eat and and know it sounds like

28:40 something cool so the end result is basically an all-in-one platform covers all of the needs it's not too expensive because a lot of Traders lose money at the start yes first first year is pretty brutal can be pretty tough see you're trying to limit the cost as well Ray yes yeah so hopefully I mean the the the reception has been good so far we launched in May of this year may end of May so yeah it's yeah it's been

29:07 six months yeah it's it's been a a lot of another thing is because we launched a product so fast there's a lot of bugs so we've been just been that fixing bugs the entire six months and pushing out charting and news feed but it's a it's a lot it's it's a lot of work but I also enjoy the process because it's a different set of problems that's different from everything else I've done before like trading or YouTube or even

29:39 running my community every time every time I start these new business or new projects is a different set of problem and I enjoy being challenged yeah but I mean it's h i don't know what you're going to do next because like you've excelled in trading you've excelled in digital and social media you've excelled in mentorship and chart rooms now you're trying now you're going to excel in in a software platform I don't know I don't know what you're

30:02 going to do next I don't know what the next goal is after this I don't know but no there's always a lot of things to improve on like like I obviously for my trading like I I want to start optimizing my swing trades more and start sizing up a little bit more I think this year has been a lot testing trying out different strategies and knowing what works and tracking them next year if markets still continues the uptrend I think

30:29 that's when I'll start like holding in one or two of my swing trading strategies and scale it up more hopefully we'll see yeah look and then we we don't even need to ask you about your trading we don't even need to ask you about your strategies because I say on your YouTube channel you give like n nearly all of the details away you're very you're very you're very generous in in the YouTube content and the fact

30:51 that you give a lot of the strategies Away online on your videos and maybe that's one of the reasons why you're so popular so if anyone wants to learn more about the strategies you can watch the videos on the channel for you but any any final words on stocks iio before we move on we'll put a link in the description right so people can can click and sign up or any final words no I think people should try it

31:13 for themselves and see if it fits their current stock research process and yeah and of course I'm always open to feedback so if we don't have certain things that you're looking for feel free to email me and we'll put that in the develop vment P pipeline for stock SLE yeah I know and I think that's a cool approach to kind of let let people help you build it like almost open source kind of thing but we're going to get

31:37 we're going to get on to some some fun questions I've I've had a few few questions that I'm like excited to to ask you the first one is that you verified on kall on September of September 30 this year H I just want to ask you what made you do with yeah I actually got access to Kim for after last year's Traders for cost so I've been on there but my account was private for a long time

32:07 and at the end of September I was going through some things like I was upset with like a lot of things were difficult my trading I was struggling my YouTube I was struggling stocks I was struggling I'm just struggling like at Old fronts and then at the time I was really triggered by this one negative comment and and it's part of social media I see I see know good both the

32:38 good and the bad every single day but you as you know you've been on social media long enough that it doesn't matter if you get hundreds of positive comments you you're always going to gravitate and pay attention to the one negative one yeah so that's what happened I saw this comment basically saying like like saying like oh like she she's she she she never pre practices the strategies that she teaches on YouTube I bet you she'll never be on Kimo she

33:10 doesn't know how to trade she's never played a profitable tra her whole life like I was already having a bad night and I saw that and I was just like bro I've been on kful for since since I got the the access like no last year like being on there let me just switch it to public and then I'll see what happens and then you know at the time I was scripting the the the video that I'm

33:37 currently in a draw down that just kind of put that kful part in as well just just was a way to kind of say that hey like you know I've been real about my losses you can see it here but I've been real about my profits as well so you cannot just say I keep losing money and and and yes I admit I do lose money I do say that in my videos but you cannot just take those ones and ignore the

34:03 profits I made it's like this both wins and losses you cannot just focus on my losses so that was kind of like the the trigger and the the point where I turned my Kimo to public then I was like Hey like here you go this is it I mean you see the tickers I mentioned that trade that you see the Nvidia trade you see the penter trade you also see the losses I talked about I lost a lot of money

34:29 on Chinese stocks like you see it you can see it here so yeah that's that was the trigger and that what made me kind of go public with my kful profile H it's funny so it wasn't some like thought out decision you just saw some guy got annoyed about it and just thought look do you know what it is yeah here you go I'm I'm sick of it yeah like it's it's hard like social media is

34:55 overall it can be really bad for your mental health and then and especially that's after being on Kim for a while like just private it's just because you don't see it public doesn't mean it doesn't exist yeah but is there a sense of like I mean look you're you're in the I think on the all on this year's leaderboard you're you're in in the one of the top ranks I mean is there a sense of just

35:20 here you go I'm a profitable Trader I'm doing fine get out me life is there kind of something like that or is it did he just want the pressure to go away or or want the stupid prove the person wrong or no no I cannot learn to realize that there's no winning so I just kind of like it's like it's here because that person specifically said oh I'll never be on kful I'm just okay it's here like

35:48 it's here like do what you want with it like I don't think I I really do mean it when I say like I I don't think like I get it a lot of people who have education programs they they do probably do think like you know going public with your performance is a really good marketing tactic yeah I can see that but for me like I never wanted to use that as a marketing tactic I guess I

36:15 just see it as because because the number one reason is because I believe that the most profitable traders who make the most money they're not necessarily going to be the best teachers yeah yeah 100% so that's the reason like I don't think that's the reason for me to make this move it's not to prove people wrong it's just so like there it is it's there so can you like shut up about me not being a p like that's it don't bother me about

36:45 it anymore don't bother me about it it's St like done no I just want an evening of Peace that's it but yeah I'm sure your comments are overwhelmingly positive on your on your channel from what I say it's 90 99% overwhelmingly positive no MH yeah I think so yeah and I appreciate people who took the time to leave positive comments like I appreciate those because sometimes it's tough no no you've got a you've got a whole Army of followers but I meanc

37:16 because you've got this status do you find that and you're on K for now do you find that is there any more pressure is there any more motivation now that it's kind of verified in public I don't think it's I would say before I went public on P Kimo I thought there would be a lot more pressure I thought I thought that was going to be you know oh if I just open this up this Pandora box there'll be a

37:43 lot more pressure a lot more criticism and just a lot of like unwanted attention that's what I thought and and that's probably the reason why I just never like went public with it because I I I do try very hard to keep certain aspects of my life private so that was the part I was trying to keep private but I would say fortunately and like you know to my

38:13 surprise I don't think I've gotten any pressure at all or any criticism at all after I went public with my kful profile so that was a really pleasant surprise and and of course knowing this what I know now I kind of wish I had went public sooner yeah I don't think anyone's bothered right they just I think someone just thinks like if you're selling something it would be cool to say that you've made money and I think that's

38:42 that's the only the asking then you did it so like that's that but I mean on on a more of a fun fun topic and I'm curious on your answer on this Pumpers there's a lot of there's a lot of Pumpers out there in the industry you'll know I'll not see anybody by name but you'll know you'll know some of the Pumpers in the industry can I ask you do you do you personally love the Pumpers

39:04 or do you personally not like the Pumpers because some people love the pumers because of the volatility so what's your thoughts on that yeah I mean I love it I love it if it weren't for certain Pumpers we wouldn't have some pretty big moves on the on certain large cap and small cap stocks so no I love it I think they provide yeah volatility they provide opportunities for us Traders and it just makes trading more fun no that's why I I I think it

39:37 makes really more fun and changes things up so no I think I have no problem with the Pumpers would I do it no I think what they're yeah what they're doing is morally and ethically wrong but like if we're talking about trading we're all capitalists like we want to make money so it provides us opportunities to make money so yeah I think it's great no no and this is this is the common answer that I get get from

40:05 everyone and do you have a just curious because obviously I think for you you're one of the higher profile mentors out there in the game for for sure but I was just curious do you have a do you have a mentor that you look up to or do you have a a furu like a fake Guru that that you just find funny or like in any kind of way as well I I probably won't name the

40:29 furus but I will say just in general like I I I look up to I already mentioned him earlier call Magi he's not Unk full but I look up to him a lot there's other Traders I look up to like Stephen Ducks extremely like you know databased statistical I enjoy I interviewed him a while ago I really enjoy that interview it just going into the interview I knew I was going to learn a lot from him and I

41:00 did but I I felt like I was like mind blown by the way he thinks so I think he he he's definitely someone who's very out of the box so I I look up to him a lot other Traders are my friends I I I enjoy hanging out with Eduardo very positive guy Jay Trader too when I was I will never forget this what when I gave my speech at Traders for CLA in 2022 he was be in front of me and

41:32 then we were about to go on stage to talk sorry separately he saw how nervous I was and he just like he just like stood there and like gave me like a pep talk and like hey you'll be fine like he like he like squeezed my shoulder like you're okay with his squeezing my shoulder I'm like whoa I'm like destroyed right now but but I just I just appreciate a all of these up positive gestures from him Eduardo

42:00 and other peers in the industry and and of course I'm meeting Kyle Williams I met him last again last week same as huie like I I really enjoy listening to these Traders talk about the strategies the way they think and the process so I look up to all of these people yeah I know 100% understand because I mean just to to quickly touch on like when I grew up I grew up with like workingclass area All of Me friends just

42:31 get drunk all of the time in the local pub five days a week and I just never I I did do that when I was young but I never I never gelled with it I always wanted something more and I found that when I was going to these events and when I'm doing these podcasts and when I'm interviewing different people like you and and like Eduardo and like Jay like I I learn that that rubs off on you

42:51 do you remember that quote you're you're the product of the people that you surround yourself with yeah it's true that that really read resonated with me because although I've never made millions in trading it's being around people's in instilled my work ethic to be more to be better and to achieve more and that's priceless but is a I mean I don't know if you got any comments for that otherwise a final question is just if you've got any final golden nuggets

43:14 any tips any thought can be anything to to close out on yeah I think to to kind of reflect on what you just said I think a lot of people they go into trading obviously because of the money but I think what keeps people staying in the game of trading it has to be a little bit more than just money it has to be positive competition has to be meeting other Traders and they inspire you to kind

43:44 kind of look into your strategies and change things up so it has to be it cannot just be the money that keeps any Traders going and you need kind of need to have like some sort of Drive from external forces or from within yourself or from like your childhood trauma that inspires you to keep going so so trading in the money is not is not the end game for most Traders I know it's not the end game for me I think

44:17 people especially if they're beginners watching this they just need to realize that that hey like obviously we want to make money but once you start making money you know you need to find some other sense of purpose or other other sense of inspiration from other Traders or people around you that inspire you to keep going because otherwise like there's already too many millionaire traders who are depressed like otherwise that that will going to be the the result for a lot of traders

44:46 who only chase the money yeah and that's the reality I think people doing who don't have the money they don't know they they've always got the dream that when you get the money they'll be happy so they can work through it the whole life but the most dangerous thing that can possibly happen is you do get the money and then realize that it doesn't make you happy yeah yeah that's very true and I'm really scared of that so so that's

45:08 that's why I I actively seek things outside of making money or trading to like kind of like enrich my life and that's when you look at like stocks iio and you look at like building your confidence of thinking wow I built I built that software like wow I managed that project and wow I've built this YouTube channel it's like you get you get you get things less superficial than money I guess yes sh it's been an absolute

45:36 privilege to talk to you privilege to interview you I've seen you interview the best traders in the world so for me to interview you is is a a personal personal high point for me so really appreciate your time yeah thank you thank you for all the thoughtful questions too thank you for what sorry awful thoughtful questions thoughtful right I know we went a little bit deep went a little bit deep we didn't plan to go deep there was no deep questions in

46:01 the in the in the original plan but it was fun yeah thank you so much stepen thank you