Roy’s Return to Management In Our Most Personal Episode Yet! | Stick to Football EP 156

0:00 Where's our sweets, Kieran? >> Oh no, Kieran's losing it. >> Kieran, >> he's lost the plot. >> Jo, if Roy comes in here now, there's no sweets. >> Don't worry. I don't know what's happened. >> He'll think we've lost our way. >> There's no They'll be sweet. >> Why are you wearing the same t-shirt? >> Oh, no. I need to change my t-shirt. >> Go. You want me to get you one? Let me get you one, G.

0:16 >> Well, you pick me some. They're in the green room. >> I'll go and get him one. >> Oh, no. He's not got the sweets out in time. >> I'm more of a >> Thanks, Roy. Not a kind of a sweet. I'll eat some, but >> I love sweets. >> Do you like certain colors? >> Red or a black? >> No. >> I was writing on to get me a top. >> Yeah. >> I walked up do every I do every time I didn't walk back in to get a top.

0:44 >> Get one of these. >> No, I don't want polo shirt. I don't do polo shirts. >> You're not doing >> Oh, no. Do what? >> Where's the t-shirt? What do you want? That >> is that black or blue? >> There was a That's blue. >> Do you want the >> a gold green? >> Yes. Lovely. >> Should I go green? >> I like the green on you, girl. >> I really like green. >> What? You going to go green with your your faded denim jeans?

1:04 >> Yeah. >> Oh, you look amazing. Gary's gone deep into the baggginess, man. >> He is, isn't he? >> Yeah, he's gone deep. >> You know something? I can't believe I wore tight jeans for so long. >> And they were tight. >> We were trying to tell you, G. >> And they were tight. Your jeans were like Ross and Friends. Remember we wore them leather pants? >> Jill. >> Oh, Jill. >> Thank you. >> Like a mustard.

1:24 >> Wow. I said thank you before you even give a compliment. >> No, it is like a tub of mustard. >> Yeah, >> I love it. It's beautiful color. >> Hit me. >> I just like more. >> No, I like you, Jill. Jill, I like you sitting here as well next to me, by the way. >> I know. Although you did have Steven Gerard last week. >> Yeah, >> Jill, you're so up. >> You're brilliant. what we do?

1:50 >> He's lovely, isn't he? >> Mhm. Let's go. Great, lad. >> I love him. Within 10 seconds, I had closure on my career cuz I felt I definitely had physically given my all and mentally, so I I knew I'd left nothing behind. Technically, I could have been a bit better. >> I've seen some stuff where he's spraying the ball. >> Look after the ball. You can run with it. You >> trying to be humble here. No, I You imagine me pre-match, right?

2:15 >> I'm doing my quick feet, me and Phil. I can't break my routine by someone coming over to me and asking me for tickets, right? >> Remember Fabian was going out with what's her name? Linder of Angelista, but we started to go on in there then. Yeah. >> So, you started going in >> to make sure she was settling in. >> Can someone AI appalled Gary Neville, please? >> You look like somebody who works for FIFA who's just been passed about something that's gone wrong.

2:39 >> He's retired from going on Torney. Rod Stewart. >> What good news that is. >> I'm 81, working a little bit. >> I'm 81. I wear skinny jeans. When should I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? Oh, 30 years ago, pal. We've got three games here, right? >> Wow. >> One of them's called 2v2. So, what you have to do, I have to I'll give you an example. >> So, basically, if I say training, what did you do well and what didn't you do well? You've got to come up with one of each. So, that's like that's >> when we were players.

3:14 >> Yeah. So, training, >> right? >> Next one. Husband. Husband. What do you do well? What don't you do well? So, that's another example. You can't take part in husbands. >> No, we can do partners instead. >> Partners say partners and be like >> big you've not kn people know you're getting married. No. >> Should we announce it on air? >> Yeah. Should we announce your can't wait? >> We're all going to be there, baby. >> We're there. I'm there. Jill be there.

3:44 Look, he left him hanging. Left him hanging. >> It'll never last. Who said that? I'm talking I give him two years. >> I'll give them two years. >> I haven't got a thing to wear. Jill, >> you can wear many. >> Can I wear any color, Jill? >> Certain colors you can't wear. >> What can I wear? What do we wear? Suit. Is it retie? >> well, you can do but whatever. Even if you want to go a bit.

4:03 >> Can I ask you a question? The hardest year of marriage. What you think? What year is it? The hardest year of marriage. What do you think it is? >> >> they say seventh, don't they? >> I don't know. >> Yeah, some it's the seventh. Hopefully not the hardest. >> But the hardest one is the year you're in. >> What? So every year? >> Yeah. No, like it's tough. It's meant to be tough. >> The year you're in marriage. Am I right, Ian?

4:28 >> Absolutely. Bang on. Right. Thank you. >> Well, you've really excited for this. >> Look at it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, just >> I can't wait for that moment when you get >> when they said you're now partners. Bam. Done. Beautiful feeling. Cut the cake, eat it, and >> your first marriage or your sec? The second or the second? >> Both of them to be honest. >> I know. I'm just checking. I don't know. >> You're shutting mouth.

4:51 >> My god. >> What's Oh, is it like wedding cake? What's >> your what's your what's your structure of your day like, Jill? >> No. What? For the wedding? Yeah. >> No, we're just going to have basically we're going to have family round the night before and then the next day we're just going to have like a big wedding party basically. So we'll go and do all the formalities. Yeah. >> We don't have to come to that, right?

5:14 >> No, no, no. You don't want me to me to come though. Just to do the reading out of the >> Yeah. If you two sit and read and then Yeah. >> where people come and sit down. It's not It's not sit down. We're just buying the party, right? >> Yeah. Just a big party. >> Really? I can't wait. >> Yeah. My house, isn't it? >> Yeah. My house. >> Come have a after party at yours. No problem.

5:32 >> Okay, great. >> Staying at Roy after >> get lost in the garden. >> Right. Well, we'll start with that then. Well, we'll start with partner then. So, what did you do well? What didn't you do well? >> I think I could be more present being honest with you. >> would be thing I could do well better. What do I do well? >> >> I love how you found the negative. Well, you know what I do well with my girls now especially with any of them with anyone in fact anyone in fact >> wherever they are I go and pick them up >> wherever whatever time where they are I will go and pick them up. The other day Nancy went out and she's coming back on a train from she went to see Wesley and I fell asleep and she was texting me and phoning me >> and you know what I couldn't sleep properly in a night because I fell asleep and then she in the end she got a >> No, this is by the way this isn't I've just realized this isn't being a parent cuz that's ne that's over here. It's being it's being a partner.

6:31 >> It's not like the being a parent's different. >> I thought it's like being a partner like a husband. >> Yeah. But what I'm saying to is like being a husband doesn't mean your kids. >> Okay. with my misses then. >> Yeah. So, I'm say I could be more present, you know, because I'm always my mind's always thinking about different things. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And then what do I do? Well, >> >> is a good listener. Do you listen when Oh, no.

6:54 >> You're very kind. >> I'm good at myself. >> I'm not very good at that either. >> I hate listening. >> Wow. It's a shocker. >> You know what I'm I'm listening if I got the iPad as a gamer. You know what I'm pretty good at is what I think I'm good at is that when when the arguments happen with my daughters and then and the messages involved, >> I'm quite a good mediator. I find >> diffuse.

7:14 >> Yeah, because I'm quite calm. I always try to make it like >> I think I'm quite good at that actually. >> Let's just let's just chill a bit more. >> You're kind though. >> I feel like I do that. >> I feel like I do that. >> Yeah, I'll say I'm kind >> because there's a certain time when my girls realize, hey, you're being serious right now and then they get >> like they know the difference. Jill, you've been you've been with Shel for years and years.

7:34 >> Yeah, nine years. One thing I would say I need to be better is like tidier and helping with chores and stuff. I'm terrible at that. >> One thing I think I'm good at is I always organize like our trips and our days out and stuff like that. And I think I make it quite fun. >> And concert tickets. >> No, that's you. Not that we're in a relationship. >> What do you do well and what don't you do well? oh, I hate this stuff.

7:59 >> I love this uncomfortable. >> Always walks the dogs. Everybody in the family's got a dog. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're good. That's what that's his thing. He'll do that >> for everyone. >> Am I good as a >> Yeah. advice? >> As a parent? No. >> I shouldn't eat this, but >> that's a tough question. I shouldn't be. I'm quiet. >> I love how you have all struggled with something you're good at. Maybe you need to go home. You need to go home and reflect.

8:35 >> No, I'm good at loads of stuff. It's just which one to say. >> I can provide >> all your wives humble here. >> Yeah. >> What am I good at? >> What you not good at? I'm reliable, I think. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I'll turn up and >> Yeah. >> put a shift in. >> So, you're reliable. That's good. What What are you not good at? >> are you impatient at home? >> sometimes, yeah, but not always. No, I just he knows I No, I bring things back together. I make the effort, >> you know, if there's >> What would you be impatient about? I miss whatever's happening is trying to make sure that you're >> Well, I can get I just impatient sometimes.

9:13 >> No, I can, but that's most that's most men though. That's not >> That's not You know what? I don't I don't eat enough with them at night sometimes cuz I've I've got an annex kind of >> No, that Well, I'm not having that. No, there's certain things I don't always eat. We have to eat with your family. >> I don't eat I don't eat with them in >> Oh, you should eat. >> Yeah, I don't eat with >> Yeah. I think that's the time where you can chat and no one's on the phone.

9:35 >> No, we eat together. Absolutely. >> Yeah. >> Big part of >> They would get annoyed with me for saying I constantly go on about being on phones. They hate that about me. >> Are you? I'm I'm I'm >> No. Like I'm like, "Let's stay off our phones." And I think, >> "Oh, you say that to them, right?" Okay. Yeah. >> I think that's what they would say would be annoying about me. Definitely. >> It'll be But it'd be interesting what your partner would say to question.

10:00 >> Yeah. Should we ring Theresa? >> First timer. >> Right. Don't have much. >> Next one. >> Next one. >> I don't even think we've got answers. What are you good at? >> I'm I'm good at being there. Like I say, I'll go and pick them up from anywhere they are. And anything. Family. family has to get dropped off. So, I do all that >> like logistics. >> I do all that. Yeah, I do that. >> What could you be better with?

10:22 >> like I said, I could eat with them a lot. >> Eat with them. Okay. >> You know what? It's just sometime it's just like the football matches are on at certain times and it's always throws me that >> you know if we eat before the football match cuz the football match starts at 8. You've got to eat before 8. >> Sometimes I haven't eaten before 8. What's the problem with you? I don't have to eat.

10:37 Why you digging me out for work time? I mean, >> you cannot eat after 8:00 at night. >> Yeah. Some I'm talking about all not just dinner. Like sometimes at lunch and stuff. I don't I'm not eating with them enough. I should be eating with them. >> Yeah, but at night you eat at 6:37, don't you? Like between that window. >> Te your tea. >> Yeah, I might be watching something else. So, I might be doing That's what I'm saying. I need to find time because there's time. It's not like there's no excuse. And >> as you get a bit older though, you get a bit more like you realize on my own. I just want to be on my own. That family stuff is key. Anyway, >> you're good with family time.

11:08 >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Getting everyone together with >> Yeah, I try. >> We had a really good one the other day. Family came around. together. Yeah. >> Grand kids and everything. >> It's beautiful. That's when you realize, you know, something is going all right. >> That's key. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's going okay. >> Yeah. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus >> Rivals is back and Danny Dyier. >> I love Danny D.

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12:13 and the score was. >> So basically, what makes a brilliant rivalry in football? Who's the biggest rivalry that you've ever had? Club and personal like player that you played against? Who's the biggest rival that you think as a club? It's obviously Tottenham, isn't it? >> And then there's a a player that you play against, who's your biggest rival? >> well, not dislike him, just >> Yeah, dislike rivals. That's a good question. >> Oh god. Remember remember Keith Stevens from Mil Wall? Rhino. That's what he say. Rhino's going to get you. he was my biggest rival cuz I genuinely thought that he was going to he was going to hurt me, but like you just get on with it. But >> he was easily the right and the thing is he went to Australia. We get on really well now. He's a lovely bloke. But I genuinely thought he was going to hurt me when I used to play against Rhino.

12:57 >> So Tottenham and Keith Stevens Roy. >> Arsenal probably. >> Arsenal because of the years and >> Patrick probably. >> Yeah. >> Patrick. >> Patrick probably. >> And now you're friends. >> No, I wouldn't go out there. >> Yes, you are. You senior. You are close enough. >> I saw you. He was probably like, "Was he at that gig last night >> back from center?" >> Just had to do biggest rival when I was at City Definitely Chelsea cuz it was always like us two going for it and Katie Chapman. We used to just kick the out of each other literally. So yeah, >> good Chapman. I'd probably say Chelsea and Everton. Everton just me side derbies and just Chelsea because they were the probably one team we we obviously we've got a rivalry unit but we were never competing with you really for the league but we had that competition with Chelsea for three or four years Champions League semi-finals and and big cup games and that. So I'd probably say Chelsea H in terms what's the the player player biggest rival >> biggest rival >> as in like >> Terry >> Drogba was Drogba had >> I probably say Drogba as in cuz Ti was a one-way street that was just like there was no competition no >> with Drog but it was a good battle played lots of games against probably say Drogba >> what about you girl >> Gary >> I'm going to say >> Liverpool >> Liverpool without a doubt >> and I'm probably going to say Robbie Fowler >> we used to have some >> Rob God >> yeah we used to have some stuff going on on the pitch with each other I have and he scored a lot of goals.

14:28 >> He's got great He didn't have great bad car sometimes at times. Car was always obviously, you know. >> Yeah. Giving it >> think about the night before, you know, if you were like was there some players that would get in your head a bit. I I knew if I was coming up against Chapman, I'd be thinking about it a bit the night before like more than other games. >> Yeah, I I was there. >> Michael joined you a few times on Cross.

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15:53 >> Football in that order. >> Overlap daily. >> We'll see you soon. >> Okay. So, which one? You going to pick one, Jill? >> pick one. Right. diet. What you do what you did well and what you didn't do so well. >> What you don't do well. Yeah. >> Says didn't. So it's a player now. >> I don't now. I don't do chocolate. Well, if that's a bad thing, I eat too much of it and sweets. It's ridiculous.

16:22 >> And that's my downfall. >> What did I do? What do I do? I eat I eat at the same time. >> I knew that was going to be the answer. >> And I I'm I'm consistent around food. So, yeah. >> Good. >> Yeah. So, I'm very consistent. I'd like to think I'm I'm consistent around food now. I like what I do right at the moment is my discipline in going to the gym at 5. >> That's not diet.

16:44 >> Yeah, but like the food. >> You keep answering the wrong question. >> No, no, no. The food comes with step. >> The food comes with it, Gal. Because like my discipline to make sure that the gym's right comes from the fact that I've got to eat the right food. Oh, I'm religious on that. Joe something. I look forward I mean my alarm I usually wake up before my alarm but literally I look forward to walking out of the house particularly now it's cold in the morning at quart to six to walk to the gym >> and I love the fact that after it I go and walk for a coffee and have a coffee just routine at that time >> and then I come back with a hoodie on and I just walk back it's such a nice >> like a cold coming in my favorite >> I love it I love that >> back to diet >> but the diet like >> what's your weakness >> my weakness is you know it's Those kind of, you know, you go to the shop and you can buy those cakes with the icing on top and you put custard on it.

17:35 That's my weakness. >> Sponge. >> Yeah. >> No, but can you're disciplined. I like sweet stuff, but obviously I can have one bar too. Are you Could you eat like loads of stuff and go overboard? >> I could eat easily. >> No, I do. Stop. I have >> I could eat like you see the like biscuits like chocolate. I could eat the whole packet. Yeah. If I'm watching I've stopped doing I've stopped doing that now >> cuz like that was easy to do especially if they're a little bit warm and melted.

17:58 I could easily eat a full packet of chocolate. >> I've got no You talk about someone who's disciplined and like professional and I am crap. >> G, you see these? You see these as well, Roy? I've enjoyed that one. They're not good enough. They're not good enough to eat all of them. >> No, no, no. But the thing is I I could eat four or five of them in a go because they're easy to eat. So I've all that has had to cut out.

18:18 >> Okay. >> What would you have like a lot of like give us an example. >> A massive bar of dairy milk that's >> Oh yes. >> And I wouldn't stop. >> Would you eat all of that? Like the giant buttons from Martin and Spencer, you know, the massive giant buttons. I could I can't just have a few. The whole bag. >> Yeah. >> See, I'm quite disciplined. I do like chocolate, but I think, you know, when you were growing up and you were allowed like one thing after your tea. I think I go, "Right, I'll have that bar chocolate and then I'm done."

18:41 >> You can have a little bar of chocolate that big. >> Little one. >> Yeah. My good. >> Oh, no. >> I don't No. No fizzy. No fizzy. No fizzy pop. >> fizzy drinks. >> None of the fizzies. Cut those. Yeah, I'm not. >> Yeah. Cut those. Which is really good at our stage as well. I think what I don't do so well is when I'm on the go, I probably don't eat enough. I'll always make sure I have like my tea on a night, but I can have a couple of coffees on a morning and then if I'm at work and stuff, I'm I'm not very disciplined with my food.

19:08 >> I've got a sweet tooth, but I don't I don't have a big appetite. So, >> do you have something every night? Is it >> I always think every night? >> Well, for like >> like as a sweetness. >> Yeah. But Roy, how do you not put weight on cuz you are a bit of walking? >> But I'm saying to you don't you don't do gym gym or like iron man or anything like that, but you walk >> and that keeps your weight off.

19:28 >> And I think I I think I have a really small appetite. I actually don't eat that much. >> You don't know? >> No, I don't. >> I'll sit and have a meal with people. I just barely >> But you eat when we go out though. You eat meals. >> But I wouldn't I wouldn't have a start on a main course and I might have like I definitely might just have a main course and usually you watch I actually don't eat that much.

19:45 >> I'm very similar to be honest cuz I don't do loads of training and I'll just walk and I don't think I like overeat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I have to work my backside off and then even then I'm a little bit still full. >> That means you have still your >> You always look musly though, doesn't >> No, but Jo, I literally work quite hard in the gym. Like five foot. So you got Do you think you've got a chubby guy inside you?

20:08 >> Oh desperate to get I'm fighting every day to like sort >> How often would you >> I'm fighting. How often do you lose them fights sometimes? Obviously I do. >> How often do you have that massive? >> Of course I do. I do. >> How often do you have that massive? I've tried to cut down on it to be fair. >> You know how many calories in that you >> It's just with Ian. It's the >> It's thousands.

20:28 >> Diabetes that scares me. >> Well, that should frighten you girl. >> Yeah, >> that should frighten you because like that's a lot of chocolate. >> You've lost a lot of weight over the last year. >> You know what? I don't drink no sugar. It's no. >> But what were your last are you like don't a stone as much as >> a stone and a half. Wow. >> But I drink a bit as well. Don't drink a lot. But I drink you like have a few glasses of wine and stuff >> every night. See again.

20:47 >> No, I I was >> cut that out as well. >> And co I was having a >> Yeah. You see, I stop all that. I don't drink in the house. >> I might have the odd glass of wine in my house now. >> And I'll have a Guinness if I go out. Nothing else. >> Sometimes, you know, if you're doing like talks and events, sometimes I can get back and I'll be like, "God, I had three glasses of red wine Monday, three Tuesday.

21:07 >> If you want to function, you got to be I think exports people I think exports people >> still eat and drink what they kind of used to when they were playing. Obviously back in the day, you were burning off. You were training. So I think people >> That was my problem after I finished. I was eating the same and not training >> and that's a calorie >> massive >> discipline maximum opposite >> go out and you might drink a fizzy water or or maybe some I I just >> but you eat healthy when you do eat.

21:35 >> Yeah. Do you know like eat healthy like fish and veg every day and all that or >> Yeah. All the like salmon and and steak and chicken bit of rice. Not so much pasta. I used to eat pasta two three times a week. I don't eat pasta maybe once a month. Now >> you know what the hardest thing not to bring it up but straight obviously I was playing football and then I went in the jungle straight after and I was used to all them calories >> and I just went to your system. Oh my god dizzy.

22:02 >> Yeah. Dizzy. Lost so much weight like >> they worried about you. >> I I couldn't at first we were trying I remember Matt Hancock saying oh we'll do some weights and that in the jungle you know just like with the trees and that well branches. And then it got to like day two. Yeah, tweaked. You couldn't do it. >> And that I was so like Yeah. just would feel lighthearted. Lightart lightheaded. You know when you walk down to get the >> Yeah. down the bottom >> all the wood and bring a >> You won a dog girl, didn't you? You still won it. Yeah.

22:30 I got surprised against Matt Hancock. >> That's another episode. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. >> Bit of football one. Playing in your position. What did you do? well in your position. What could you have done better in your position? What didn't you do so well? >> I I like I like to think I finished well, but like my link up play was something I would never be I I was never completely happy with even in game before. I could have done that better. The ball comes into you and then as you get older learning so late that how important it is for a striker to keep the ball for people who are coming on to you.

23:08 >> Did you have a lot of assists Ian? >> I don't think I had two. I made 20 odd maybe. All strikers that score goals now, they also assist, don't they? Like it's a different world. But like >> what I'm saying is is that >> even when I knew I done it well, when I'm getting ready to look around and it's going to happen, I'm I'm I'm quite scared cuz I I don't want this ball to to to break down off of me.

23:30 >> Especially when I went to Arsenal and you got Merc, you got this, you got Dennis and that you have to keep it for them. And that was something that >> I never stopped thinking about. But it shoots a little bit at obviously Palace where they say we just want you running behind. We're delighted to hear that. >> Yeah. And to be honest is that is that I knew that that's how Steve Coppel wanted to play me and it was suited me especially coming literally coming straight out of semi semi-pro football. So I wanted to go that way.

23:54 But then >> when I started to train with people like Trevor A lot big number nine and realize okay I've got to work off of him. So when the ball goes into him, I got make sure I come round so as he can lay into me and same if the balls if I make a run there or if he runs across there. It was like it was >> and when you were in the England squad, did you think I have to step up on the other doubt? Because like you go to the England squad and even like people don't realize people like Dez Walker and Paul Parker when they're marking you, you're you're you're like you're you're you're in a straight jacket.

24:26 >> Everything if the touch is if you touch it and it's a little bit off, boom, they're coming. getting it. They're getting it. >> Park is a good defender when he very good. He could leap >> got a few just right. I reckon one of the biggest improvements I've seen in a player come to United from when they joined to the end was Andy Cole's link up play. >> And I'm not talking about going from someone who like like when he came he's a pure goal scorer.

24:49 >> Yeah. >> But towards the end Cole's touch and his link up play was unbelievable. >> But then that's the thing is to be able is to to have the ability to say, "Oh, so I'm going to have to play like that now." And then you adjust. >> You adjust. That's why he probably went that's why he probably went on for he played quite he played quite late as well because then what happens is is that >> the technical ability and the experience for the game and knowing what you need to do in certain you know what it was such a beautiful >> it's tough that right in your back the play especially when you've got >> good defenders coming at a time when they could come through you >> and so you could come through you and then you got that midfield who's going to try and nick it off you and he's got to come in here it was >> you said Dez was good Dez would be giving you stick >> you know what the kind of stick that Dez didn't he just talking to you about what you making that run He's not even Oh, did I tell you that? What you making that run for? He's not even got his head up.

25:33 You know what I mean? It's that kind of something. I used to think that when I was playing playing against a striker, you could when when they were just about to control it, you could just literally rather you didn't have to go through the back of them. Just literally just just swing your leg with their leg just make contact. That was a foul. >> No, but it must be frustrating when you come up against really good players.

25:52 Same for me in midfield. And it goes up to you think I've got I think I have them there and they just have a nice little touch and they go away from you like the real top players again touch >> when when you watch like again you appreciate when you see I watched Dominic Calbert Lewin against Arsenal is a fantastic display of a number nine >> and getting the ball against two really robust defenders aggressive. >> It was brilliant to watch cuz you don't see it anymore. Is >> that the lunch time game?

26:16 >> That was the one where where we we when we played leads. >> It was tough for Arsenal. They were good leads >> honestly. They were very good when we played. >> You know who else? Robbie when I've watched him against City. Wow. >> He he almost like you know how some strikers the ball comes in the protect then they get the hit. He almost does the hit then he's so good. >> I don't think Roy as well with that number nine if you're playing like I think Salanki could do more to be the same. I think the Dominic Calbert Lewin when Dominick Calu plays out there's no one who's comfortable in a defensive role. Even Virgil would be wouldn't be comfortable if he's getting the right service because he's so awkward.

26:53 >> He's he's so good at and oh it's >> we were looking at United remember God >> Maru and Yorkie and Teddy like I'd be zipping balls and I tell you what they looked at I give them that >> all of them to be >> Teddy. Yeah, but the thing if you're talking about you >> Teddy >> Yorkie was brilliant at it. Yorkie was good. I just trying to get the ball off Yorkie. Remember >> and he he'd want to fight him.

27:13 >> Yeah, >> but Eric was brilliant. Eric and he want you have to there's bravery to that if you played the ball into a striker >> and they didn't hold it. They were getting killed by the way. >> Absolutely. >> They were getting killed off the manager off the players like they didn't hold it. >> Oh but the thing is girl what I learned >> true when I when I signed for Palace what I learned very quickly >> was I remember Jim Cannon they used to come in and because like >> get old you got to get hold of it cuz they can't get a break. Yeah, forest Brian Kluff was a great for a striker if you didn't control that ball.

27:44 He's taking you off. Ask any striker forest. I still sit in coldcoms now most if if it bounces off someone. He's got to get hold of that. You just say it. >> Yeah, >> that's why I was getting annoyed with virtue. I know. Know they kept bouncing off. >> Just get hold of him. It's like a wall. They just >> Jill. >> So was finishing well football or husband? >> What did you say? >> What were you on about? You big finish him. Well, was that under football?

28:10 >> No, that was what like what you said what what you liked or what you didn't like about >> you said he said you wanted to finish better after I said partner. >> She probably wanted me to finish better as well. >> Right, Jill? >> No. Right. Have you done both yours? >> Yes. Playing your position. What were you good at? >> Yeah, playing in your position. So, I could have been better at technical ability like receiving as like a single six. I wasn't very good at >> like Rodri roll. Yeah, I wasn't very good at that. But what I did well was I'd have just ran all day, pressed, harassed people. Yeah. Yeah.

28:42 >> Did you score? You scored as well. >> A few, but I could have been better at that. Yeah. But I think it was just for me like work rate, keeping everyone organized. >> You talk the same answer as me, Jill. >> Right. I'm going to say >> I think I knew my position pretty well. I think I knew where to be and where to stand. I think so I think I knew my position well organizationally sort of side thing. What could I have done better? And I look back now and I used to I used to laugh about the fact I only scored seven goals and my assists. I don't know how many assists I've got.

29:13 >> I with a team that I played in if if I was under the pressure that current fullbacks are to affect the game in the final third with crosses and goals. I genuinely believe that I would have worked on it a lot more and I would should have scored I'm making it up. I should score 25 30 goals for United as a fullback and probably had 60 assists or 50 assists in the games that I played because >> we had unbelie Yeah. But we had all the chances we had all the possession. We scored loads loads of goals. There was nothing restricting me going forward. I was never you know I used but I used to overlap there. I never used to go there like Niko O'Reilly. I was watching Niko Riley and Gavardi all the other day.

29:48 They're going there. I never went there. Yeah. But that was restricted because the team was scoring gold. >> Yeah. But just I I just think when I look back now as we said about Trent some fullbacks going don't worry about overlapping if it just comes back to you think a goal scorer the top end of the pitch >> I should have impacted the game better in the final third I think than I did >> as a full >> Yeah but truthfully your mindset going into football matches >> he was not making a mistake not you know keeping my guys keeping the guys quiet we weren't saying we at the end of the season we weren't saying we you only got two goals or we yeah just wasn't in the conversation >> what's yours still >> no truthfully I think mine was the same as Jill really I you were good at getting off the back for Roy.

30:25 >> No, not not as I got a bit older, but technically I could could have been bit technically I could have been a bit better, but obviously I >> In what way? >> In what way? Yeah, I've seen some stuff where he's spraying the ball. >> I can look after the ball. You can run with it. You >> trying to be humble here. No, I >> He hasn't got a bad one really. >> I mean, look at Gerard scores. He lashing ball. I didn't have that in my locker, did I?

30:46 >> Going for 25 or 30 minutes. >> I think I could ping a pass maybe, but not. Do you know I think one of my strengths and maybe I kept everything simple. Keep it simple. I always say that just keep it simple. Look after a ball. But again, I wasn't scoring goals from 25 or 30 yards. I don't know that technically >> backing your runners could have been better. >> Yeah. But Roy, you could have hit that 25 yard game >> 25 30 yard pass you can knock.

31:06 >> Yeah, the pass. But I'm on about last year. Last year ones in Delpier was in the pocket and you just look over his shoulder back four kept dropping and dropping. >> Yeah. >> Right. next one. Jill, do you want to go on the next one? >> what one you got? >> Life after football. >> Where's that? >> What you did well and what you didn't do so well. I've just realized that it's that same thing.

31:29 >> Good question. Who came up with these questions? Jeez, >> this is good. >> I like them. >> I I definitely could have been more focused on what I was doing. I just did everything. >> You know what I mean? Tried to do too much. >> So, I tried tried to pull everything back really. Just too coach, media, business, you know, just >> At least you had a plan though when you you said you had a plan.

31:47 >> I had a sort of plan. >> Yeah. Yeah, I did. I knew what I knew. Just something I I always looked at players that it used to scare me. You know the lads that used to walk around the stadium, Roy, >> that you just used the match days and walk around the stadium. Do you remember used to do like the Trafford suite and the >> Yeah. >> Strafuite and it used to scare me to death that I used to think >> I don't I don't want to walk around the stadium.

32:07 >> What do you mean what like ex players? >> Ex players would walk around the stadium and I >> just so people can say hello to him in that Q&A. didn't get paid. I don't I just thought he scared me to death that I just thought Joseph that will make me I'm not very good at that. I'm not a I'm not a social type person in terms of like >> I just thought he scared. >> You tried, didn't you? You be you were an ambassador for about four months and I just had to I stopped it.

32:28 >> Yeah. >> So I just that wasn't for me that >> but you said that's what you didn't do well but I would have put that down as what I did except for the Valencia job. Except in the England job then still doing business then still doing the >> think about it now is wrong. But you learned what you liked and >> yeah I look I experienced things I did that but just I I think looking back it was it was too much and then what did I do well I maintain my work ethic from football in my post football career.

32:55 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just you >> I think that's a natural thing when you're that driven you take that work ethics you had them take me >> I feel like I have to do things. So >> you're so hard work though. You are. >> But that's because I took too much on. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes I think well what am I doing? So don't I'm not always in control of that. You know what I mean? It's like hell.

33:13 >> You know what I mean? Yeah. >> Right. Roy, >> after what since I stopped playing, >> what did you do? >> What I done? Well, I think I kept everything together if you know what I mean. Just car carry on. Stayed in football. didn't crash and burn, which I thought, >> yeah, >> there's definitely potential for that. Kind of kept everything simple, have a nice family, probably the most contented I've ever been in my life. Kind of contented out with middle of the road stuff. And yeah, I think again there's always the pitfalls when we all finish.

33:42 Again, that idea what you do after football, >> the pitfalls of players. We've seen it all. Addictions, bankruptcy, divorce, the whole shebang, >> but I've kind of kept it all. >> Yeah. >> Kind of kept it together. Listen, it's certainly not perfect. Obviously not. >> I kind of enjoy what I do now with the people I work with, the companies I work. I go, "Yeah, that'll do me. I'm quite contented with it all." It's Justin. What scared me once is when people think that you play football for like 13 years, 14 years, and you finish football at 35, you've got like probably 40 45 years >> to get through, you know what I mean?

34:15 And you've been stimulated on a massive adrenaline rush every single week. >> And the strange thing for me for all my the way I used to obviously play and I was a bit bit mad. I told you when I retired when I I remember when I rang Gordon Straken and I said, "Garden obviously my hip I'm finished." I still had a year left to sell when I came off the phone without within 10 seconds I had closure on my career.

34:34 >> Seriously, >> I had closure. I didn't even kind of go, you know, you'd be worried about the hang-ups and routine of training and but I was no I was cool with it. I was like because I felt I definitely had physically given my all mentally. So I I knew I'd left nothing behind. Listen ups and downs of course. So I got closure. So I'm not one of these players that looks back would want to go to even if I didn't do the media stuff. I'd have no interest in going back to truthfully.

34:56 I've said it before and I mean this in the nice this is kind of a nothing against the clubs. I didn't want any kind of connections with the club where I felt I had to go back or I had to go and do some stuff. I go no brilliant loved it when I was there. I gave everything I had. Thank you. And hopefully he enjoyed when I was there and I gave everything I had. But now I've moved on to other stuff in me life.

35:17 I'm not drawn back to United, Celtic, Forest, whatever that might be when I was a player and I got closure. So my my contentment comes it. I gave it me all and now I'm kind of doing stuff and I've stayed involved in football obviously >> and I work with good people. That's the key for me. I need to work with good people. >> Obviously I don't get on the podcast but I do with Sky Night TV >> Jill.

35:40 >> Well that includes my you know what I've loved life after football. I really have. And I think I always said that I'm not someone that thinks too far ahead. I always just think show up every day, be nice to people and work hard. And that's what I used to think when I played football. And I've kind of took that on to like into life after football. But >> are you the most successful women woman football player post career?

36:05 >> No. >> No. Seriously, I No. I'm think seriously I'm thinking about how you've handled post career. What you do in the media, what you do in your sort of commercial stuff, what you've done on television, obviously the jungle. >> Was timing huge for Jill? winning the Euros, the jungle, all that gave you that little extra boost to >> Yeah. And I do feel very like lucky as well because I was part of that Euro squad and then the jungle came along and I've had some like really good opportunities and I just feel like really grateful for that. I think when I played I'm always someone I've always had to be doing loads of stuff.

36:36 So we opened the coffee shop. I was doing soccer camps. I was still doing talks from a very young age. And then I think then when I've progressed out of it, I've still been able to carry that stuff on. So I think that did help. I would always say don't just do one thing. If you're a footballer, you do find yourself having a bit more free time. Like do something else with that time. But yeah, I've really enjoyed >> you do take stuff on though. You don't mind going at something >> and and just trying it and >> and it's different for the women because obviously women even more so have to look about right what am I going to do when we finished and I was petrified even as a man. That was a picture.

37:12 >> Like I didn't retire with any like I I didn't have like a lot of money in the bank or anything like that, but that never worried us cuz I was like I know I'll go and get a job. I'm I'm not shy of working. >> One thing probably I could have done better in the beginning was maybe balance just being at home versus working. But same as Roy, I'm I'm so content now, family, everything. I just feel so content. Love doing this with you guys. Feel very lucky. And >> and you get lots of stuff to because you're obviously people like you and you're likable person. That's why you're getting all of them.

37:41 >> And you got a personal spin on. >> Yeah. >> Thanks. >> I thought it was my looks. >> Jill, what's going back to that point, who are the most successful ex women football players who've gone on and so you've got businesses, you've got commercial stuff, you've got media, you've got obviously other things in television. You've got who who else I'm not I'm not it's not a trick question. I'm who who else has gone and done what you've done?

38:03 >> I've thought about it. I think there's obviously a lot of the girls that have gone into punditry like you've got Steph and Ellen White, Far Williams, Alex Scott like who have really focused on that. So I don't know if I've just kind of somebody said to me when I retired like you'll have to pick one thing and I was like but do you have to or can you just >> No, no. The thing is as well Joe is that like you're one of the first with the personality and the and the charisma coming from the Lioness's which done brilliantly for us winning it and everything. that's got personality to go out there. So the rest of they're coming. So especially that when when that group starts to get to retirement G, we might see a lot more of them probably. Yeah. Because like I think that Jill's come along perfectly and >> Jill's been a great example for him, hasn't she?

38:48 >> Without a doubt. Without all of them. >> People look at you and go, listen, Jill can do it. There's opportunities out there >> and them lionesses, they've won something. They've done something. So they will get their chance. >> But Jill, you said about basically you should have done one thing and done different things. I couldn't I didn't know what I didn't know what I wanted to do. >> Yes. Yeah. >> I I didn't have a clue whether I wanted to be a coach or a pundit or I I generally thought I was going have to go for it because I didn't have a clue what to do.

39:09 >> Yeah. And I think that was the same as well. Did you have an idea when you >> finished what you know I tell you what happened for me is is the the television show came while I was still at Arsenal. >> that was your own television show. >> Yeah. The Friday night's all right. I So I was thinking I knew I I can't I'm not going to coach. I ain't going to be able to coach. I ain't got the personality for it. and got the p the passion for it and I tried it. It didn't work for me.

39:34 so I was thinking, well, what am I going to do? It's going to have to be something personalitywise, TV wise. And I remember I had to present Top of the Pops one and then I done that and then bam I got off ITV offered me that and I so I went into that and I was thought right this is what I've got to do. And >> how many times did you present that top of the pops?

39:53 >> I I must have done it about four or five times. >> Imagine presenting Top of the Pops. How cool that is. Yeah. I done Prince what's his name? the fellow the fellow who sang the Robin Hood song everything >> Adams Bryan Adams yeah he's a really cool Chelsea fan and then Prince done a load of people but then once they saw that I was okay so I was thinking okay I'm going to do this I didn't know if I wanted to do that and then five like I'd say 18 months into it after signing deals and obviously the money's coming in and everything I don't want to do this this I don't like this >> I don't like that >> don't like what doing the TV stuff live stuff >> I didn't like didn't like doing the TV stuff were you any sporting stuff then?

40:30 >> No, no sport. >> You know what? I stopped when I stopped the football went straight into like shiny floor to ITV entertainment shows and and then I done that for about five, six, seven years and I was just getting more and more depressed doing that. >> Once I got back to once I got into the football and really focused on doing it properly and reading. >> Was that your idea or it did you say TV I want to do are they said to do you fancy doing a bit of this?

40:53 >> No, no, no. Cuz remember it was at BBC I was doing it at first and Nile NY was the one who wanted me to do it. Nile Sloan. So I done it for a while. Then I got in touch with the ITV entertainment side and then they saw something. They wanted me to do stuff. I was doing Friends Like these for BBC. Then I went up to ITV and I done the Friday nights. All right. Then I done the record Guinness Book of Record show. I was thinking this I'm showing different kind of sides.

41:16 >> I don't remember any of this. Do you remember? >> A little bit. Yeah. >> But like the thing with it was is that I'm doing it and I'm doing it to get >> So what was the first sport you done? First sport I done would have been one of the World Cups. 1998 was the the first World Cup and I missed out on that. >> The BBC or ITV? >> That was for ITV. That's the first time I worked for IT. So when you done that when I got injured and did Nile moved to ITV then >> and Nile moved from from BBC to ITV later on.

41:39 >> And when you started doing that, were you going this is better? Did you love it straight away or you still Yeah. Doing the football stuff instead of top? >> Yeah, because I felt because there >> because you knew what >> there was so much there was so much reading and stuff you had to do and cut. Let's do that again. just it wasn't natural for me. >> No, but Ryer, you've brought that entertainment bit though into the football that that personality. You've brought that. You've probably benefited from that without knowing it. Really?

42:01 >> Well, hopefully I have because I was so I was so unhappy doing it. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. >> Roy, did you you know when you obviously went into the management, then you went back to punditry. Was there a time that you were going to go back into management or not? >> Yeah, there was a little moment. Yeah. Well, It kind of did happen. I did when I after I left Sunderland, I think I was doing a bit done with TV. Then I went to Ipsus and I came back out and then I went back in with Martin with Ireland.

42:30 So there was times I was kind of dipping in and out. >> Yeah. But this last like >> Oh, the last few years now was definitely Yeah. Then you're like, yeah, you're >> there kind of no going back now. >> But I still think I always think truthfully when I'm doing deals, I usually do shortterm deals. I always think I'll be getting out of it soon. Really? >> Yeah. I never think I'm going to use this for three, four, five years.

42:50 >> What's the thing for you? Because I think was the thing for you that cuz obviously as soon as you come into television your voice is compelling. It's like it's there's no one delivers a like a a phrase or a sentence or analysis like you. >> Was it a case that basically you felt coming in television was something that maybe was almost like defeat because you wanted to be a manager. Was that was did you feel like that at one point? Cuz do you know what I mean?

43:15 >> I know exactly what your standard your standards your standards and your sort of like >> it might have been a bit of that. Yeah. But I also appreciate the walk that when I see other people doing the TV stuff and pundits and we're obviously diff we're all different. We give different opinions. no there was definitely a part of me over the last few years I feel I don't know if it's an ego thing I should be a manager somewhere. I still feel I could have been a really good manager.

43:35 >> Was you vex about it? So maybe there was a little bit up but no I wasn't showing I wasn't walking around going I should be a manager because there was parts of me going I'm also doing TV stuff and I appreciate that work and like embrace it >> but there was definitely something with me going I should be I I definitely should be a manager somewhere >> but I think that helps when I'm doing the games because when I go to games I do go and watch the games and I'm passionate about the games. I don't I certainly don't turn up and going I can't believe I'm here. I'm like no I'm here I'm going to do it properly. But you've lived like what you know Michael Carrick's going through now or what >> Oh yeah. And I feel for manager and course you've said it's just it's a >> it's a just a I don't know you call it the managerial circuit right now. I mean >> it's a mess, isn't it?

44:17 >> You know, you said it before, you you're working for people who are probably going to sack you within six months or eight months or nine months. Your life's in their hands. >> Yeah. But no. Yeah. But it's not anymore. Thank God. But I think when you're obviously in that managerial role, you are thinking, listen, two or three bad results and you could be out and you have the extreme highs. I had it at Sunderland, you think things are great and you tip switch and you're battling and you can't get a result and >> yeah that's that'sough that's a tough roller coaster. So I don't miss I don't miss being on that roller coaster but again I just have this feeling that I I could have been a really good manager >> and I had little moments with Martin with Ireland that was great and so I've had proper real unbelievable experiences >> working in premiership level working the championship working international level so so I also think that that helps me with my punditry as well when I'm watching matches obviously experience being a player I've got a right mixed bag to my opinion doesn't mean obviously you say it's people have to agree with it >> so and when I'm doing the TV stuff I'm and I'm going to games. Again, Jill mentioned earlier about turning up on time, being polite to people and giving your opinion.

45:15 >> Yes. >> You know, as we said before, a lot of people do a lot of talking and saying not. And I do like kind of skipping that side of it. >> You know, I maybe I don't over analyze stuff and I don't overthink it, but if I see something in the game or I like or I don't like, I don't really mess around. >> Yeah. >> Good. >> We do one more of these, Jill. >> Yeah. Go on. You pick.

45:34 fans. >> Let me see. Go. >> It says being a captain, being a leader in the dressing room. There's one. dealing with foreign players, international players, dealing with young players. Which one do we want? >> I like all of that. >> Let's do them all then. >> being a captain stroke senior player in the dressing room. What did you do well? What didn't you do so well? >> Don't so many people seem to get that wrong though, don't they?

46:01 >> What do you You know when they get that leadership role or they get the ambent sports they seem to just go >> they go somewhere you're like >> is it go to their heads >> I don't know I I think I remember I when I got to captain United remember when you get the captain United you don't apply for it you don't there's no vote the manager pull jingo do you want to be captain deep down you know it's listen it's great that they think highly of you >> but you also go don't don't start getting distracted by the fact you might be captain that you're going to distract by all >> what can the distractions be though >> I just think there could be you see a lot of people get that role and they start going on different roles with the media and they started thinking >> I found it difficult for the first 6 months 8 months more because of basically who I was replacing really >> who was it >> so what was your problems so who was what was the problems that you you was was it too much responsibility >> yeah everyone knew Roy was the captain so it's a case of you basically get given the captain's armband partway through a season you're thinking I'm obviously not Roy Keane million miles from it on the pitch and off the pitch so you're just thinking how's this going to go and you feel like found a way to lead in a different >> do I need to do anything different and do I need to and to be fair the only time I got peaceful we won the Carabel Cup >> >> in that year. Yeah.

47:11 >> Was that Roy? >> It was the year I left. Yeah. >> Yeah. And that was that that to be fair >> because we won and we were on a podium even though it was the League Cup that was massive that group it was massive for the players. >> I don't think Cristiano had won a trophy before. I don't think Nemana Patrice course so a lot of them won trophies before and in the start of the next season the football was like oh my god it's unbelievable.

47:33 >> Yeah >> it's like Louis Sahara up front was with with Wazer and >> we had Cristiano and and Giggsy wide >> and it was like oh my god that and all I didn't have to do anything >> so I didn't do anything the only thing I did the only thing I did differently than than well Roy was a far different than I was. The only thing I did was went and asked could we have music in the dressing room because the players wanted music in the dressing room and it was we never had music ever in my whole time.

48:01 >> Well, that was the key for what you done with your leadership. Neb. You didn't try and do too much. I mean that in the nicest way. >> I didn't do anything different. >> Like Canton, a Brucey, Robbo, they're all different captains. So what you find, you find what works for you. And again, when I was there, I done very little now. Truthfully, I did. Let's not go down this road of saying you don't Yeah, you're a different personality to me. You're a different position and team to But you don't stop with the players, new players and that. You show them.

48:23 >> Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. But you would do that as a senior player. That's That's not cuz you got the armband on. We We would have all been doing that. No, I think I was we were good. >> The way you were on the training pitch every day, though, the way you That's my point. But that's the way I was when I was a player. >> It was. Yeah. But the captain didn't change me. >> No, but I think I think from that moment when in pre99 when So, let's say you were captain when it 98. You became captain 98, did you?

48:42 >> Okay. I'm not sure. >> Your personality and character from 983 say to 2002, it it developed enormously. You weren't a massive speaker even as a captain to be fair. You >> my point. >> But you you were definitely >> you were different. You were different but different but I was think leading. It wasn't different in terms I don't think I trained that way. I I don't think I that's my whole point. >> Demands on people were a lot more post captaincy than you maybe were.

49:07 >> Maybe that's just cuz we were getting older younger lads coming through and Ronaldo and Rooney all the so yeah you're going to you're going to tweak things but again that's my whole point. And I look at certain people who get leaderships and I don't mean just in football or whatever. They go down this road and go, "What are you doing? Just focus." I saw an interview the other day, an old interview with Tony Adams. I'm going back. I think it was like back in the 90. He was getting interviewed about Arsenal, our expectation of the club. We want to compete to nice and simple, nothing dramatic about it. And I see all the captains getting all a bit distracted by stuff. And what I used to argue and what was a good and a bad thing for me United I was always looking after trying to look after the dress room not turn into a circus keeping people away from the dress room. We knew there was commitments during the week, but on a match day or for training, hey, I fell out with loads of people at United. You know, people come to the dress room getting jerseys, coaches, I'd be like, "No, this is the players. This is our area."

49:54 >> But those sorts of things were things that to be fair, I didn't Yeah. You you that they're the sort of things that you did post captain that you may not have done pre-cap. >> Only Yeah. Because obviously I was a bit younger. That's just your role as you get a bit older in the club just like Giggsy and you were doing when when I was there. I think you don't have to be an am you don't have to have captain like be a leader. The thing I felt I did badly but it's not really but when I was injured towards the end and I was I found embarrassing and it happens now I see it sometimes actually and I think oh it's awful. Do you know when someone's playing all the time let's say Giggsy was captain or Vidic was captain or Rio was captain and then you come on for 15 minutes >> and you run on the pitch and then they pass you the armband >> and I almost felt embarrassed you know what I mean because they'd run over to you and give you the armor. You can't say no go away. I think one game I said just stay, you know what I mean? I I I felt I didn't contribute in the last couple years and I felt like I wasn't a captain. You know what I mean? And I remember say I actually offered him the captaincy up. So one preseason I think it was probably not the season before I actually finished the season before that. I said look I said I can't keep that armband. I said because he's playing every week >> Vidic Ferdinand Ronaldo I said they they don't look at me as the captain anymore.

51:00 I don't I'm not playing you know what I mean. Yeah. and he told me to keep it because he didn't want to give it to Vidic because of Ferdinand, Ronaldo because of Rooney and vice versa because of the personality said just keep it. It's easy for me to give it rotated between you and Giggs and that was it. I felt embarrassed at the end. >> But you must have had a still a big role. It's still a big role on the other side. You know, listen, I play it down a bit, but there's off the field stuff at United.

51:20 >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Tickets, bonuses, contracts for young lads. There is lots and a lot of players don't want to do that stuff and that's fine. But what happens as you're playing one two 300 games, >> it comes your way, don't it? You're like a young guy comes to see you go, "Yeah, so you have to train. You want to help you?" You You're not going to say no, are you? But deep down you be going, I want to head away. But it just comes your way.

51:40 >> Even Christmas dues. You can organize a Christmas D for the families. You're like, honestly, you you got a big game for the family. >> We we did. We did. We did lots of functions and me wife would help. We'd book places. I know you'd have a big game coming up and you were like bit of a distraction, but that is that is part of the role. >> It is. >> It's a lot of pressure. It wouldn't be like that now though. that have people in positions to sort >> I don't know sort that I think >> I told you the best one and sometimes they come back for again United the best one ever was sorting tickets out I can't tell you the tickets stuff >> you know but when forget matches that was easy >> I tell you I give I so something so I I got the captain's armband all of a sudden the 51 tickets that you got which was 17 time three 17 were in squad >> right so you had five subs 11 players five subs one in the squad so like you had 17 lots of three tickets >> right no What of a lie? So, I got the >> I love these.

52:31 >> You imagine me pre-match, right? I'm doing my quick feet. Me and Phil, you know what I mean? I'm doing my quick feet. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I can't break my routine by someone coming over to me and asking me for tickets, right? So, after about three weeks of being captain and coming over to me asking for tickets, >> I went, "Gyy, Giggsy, I can't do this." And literally Giggsy looked after tickets. I never once as captain did tickets after the three weeks. I I thought, "How the hell you not believe?

52:57 How the hell did he do that?" We'd be do I'm telling you now you'd be going out at 5 to three and I'd be on the phone to the ticket office trying to get tickets 10 to three >> five 10 to come in lad who may be left out or lad who might been injured go can you get >> there's people outside now >> be or lads you know players come in go lad who might have been injured or suspended they come and go last minute go you got two I'm playing a minute I just got the traffic and you're on the phone you're trying to get tickets sent down and you're going out in 10 minutes to play I used to see him I see him on the phone in the corridor ticket office yeah kit I'm ready to go >> I My phone was like this.

53:30 >> We had Sky Sports News on in the dressing room, players asking for tickets, the injured players would come into the dressing room to talk. >> It was like our dressing room prem was chaos. It wasn't chaos, but >> I used to go and sit in the toilet in the players lounge >> and just focus sometimes and just sit out the way of everyone. I just had to just >> maybe it was a good distraction. Maybe is one too focused on >> No, you know what? It's not recommended, but when I look back, no, I do laugh in it and because you look and do you know what the other lad used to do before me and I remember one time Piery when I was a forest Piery was doing the tickets and the lad asked for tickets at the last minute pierc and end up being a bust up.

54:06 So when lads came to me with tickets and there was stuff, you do your best to help them out. You never go, "No, no." You ring up and sometimes you go, "No, you can only get four, you're short." But the way the lads come up and honestly 10 minutes there was a phone on the corridor United and you be on it all sorts going on. You're going up, you're kicking off in 10 minutes and you're shutting the tickets off for lads, it was mad. It was >> It was always one of the most prominent things in the dressing room when you got in was tickets. There's always players you got in spare, you know, spare, you know.

54:33 >> Yeah. Yeah, I I hated the ticket situation. I always say to people, if you not ask me by Thursday, Friday morning, the latest, do not bother me after that. I don't want >> No, I have no I have no patience or discipline for that type of thing. But I did because I used to do it to Eric and Robbo and Brucey. >> You used to last minute. >> I'd be like trying people coming up to me last minute, Irish people, players.

54:53 So I used to do so when people come to me go I've done it. I've done it to previous I can't see anything I have to do with. So I always had a bit of tolerance for that. And I just thought it was part of the do you know what Ry you're on about the Arsenal jerseys. It was like a tradition at United. It's like chaos as you said the TV will be on horse racing going on be we're going out in a minute.

55:10 Yeah. >> Chaos but brilliant. And then we go and win. >> Yes. >> It' be easy for people not to be coming to the games. I know that sounds bad. I love like my family and not being there but when there wasn't anyone coming to the game it was quite nice as well. >> Or the you know after a match if you'd and you'd got beaten you'd pick up and you No way. If someone offered me a million pound to go in the lounge, no way.

55:31 >> No, I'd stop. I'd not go to the so many times. >> I never went in the lounge after the game. >> Did you? >> I used to basically straight after a match go and get a shower and I just couldn't wait to get in my car in my car park and go home and have my Chinese. >> It changed a little bit when Fabian signed. Remember Fabian was going out with what's her name? >> Linda Evangelista.

55:47 >> Yeah. And we started going in there then. Yeah. So he started going in just >> to make sure she was settling in. >> Just just a >> That's how he used to look after the foreign players. >> How many do you want? 10. Is she any friends? No. >> Edit that boy. >> Edit that out. >> I went to watch Oasis with Fabian and Well, not necessarily with them both. I went to a concert with me, Beck, Fabian Bart, and Linda Linder Evangelista at the Apollo watching Oasis.

56:19 >> I'm guessing she she was very good-looking. >> Stunning. >> Stunning. >> With all the other players wives, obviously, not just her. >> Yeah. >> Beautiful. >> So, you checked in with all of them. >> Yeah. All of them. We >> all got our tickets. Right. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney Plus. We've got a thing here called Agony Ant. I don't know whether we want to go on to this. We're going to carry on doing these.

56:43 >> What's agony on? >> Agony on is you ask, they answer. What's that mean? >> Yeah. Getting advice off somebody. >> Is it Are these real things? >> Let's have a look. Should I ask you one? Right. Well, you'd be a good agony aunt. Right. For Christmas, my mother-in-law is coming to stay. My wife won't tell me how long she stayed for. In the past, she has stayed for nearly a month. How do I find out how long she's staying for? And how do I get her to leave after a week?

57:12 >> Oh my gosh. >> But Jill, I tell you something. I would invite my mother-in-law to live with us if that's what it needed to be. I I I don't have any >> used to live with us. Yeah. >> One show. So like, you know, if you're thinking about like >> wife, daughters, two daughters, immediate family, grandparents, they can stay at our house every day of their life if they want. I don't I have no problem with that.

57:33 >> Okay. >> Beyond that might be a bit of a struggle. >> Yeah. >> But immediate, no, I have no problem. But what about this one that wants to get rid of them after a week? We need to give advice. >> Why would you want to get rid of them after I mean, I'd ask the question, why would you want to get rid of them after a week? >> You know what the thing is? Is that why wouldn't she let her know how long she's staying in the first place? You know, you're going to someone's house. No matter how tight you are, >> if you're going to someone's you got to let them know when you're just like, it's just like, are they still you're going like that with your misses >> hey, what you what do you fancy? You know, it's like you >> especially if they want tickets for a gate. You got you got to say something like how long you stay because next week so so let's say they come on the Friday you say oh brilliant brilliant to see stay as long as you want but next week next week Friday we actually we got to go up to Somerset I'll go down to Somerset or something so you know I mean you're more than welcome to stay for the week but and then you just act like you're going to some >> you think lie >> well probably then you should probably >> but who who has these mother-in-laws that they can't just be happy in the com how can you not be in if If it's your wife's mother, you have to get on with that person. I have to I have to love her. I have to treat her as mine.

58:41 >> My mother-in-law is amazing. So, she could stay as long as she wants, but >> like she's she's 83. She's still She's still doing so much stuff. >> I've got no choice. I It's like I can't fall out with that person. I've got to get on with that person. I've got to >> I wonder why they don't get on with them like that. But like she stayed staying for a month, >> you know, just off the bat girl when you got the clothes. So you got to get clothes and everything, but they haven't even got the clothes to say they're staying for a month, but you're staying for a month. It's a long time.

59:08 >> So if they write in next week and basically tell us why they don't get on, then we'll answer it different. >> My hair is starting to thin. Should I go to Turkey and get it done or shave it all off? Do you know what? This is actually problem for women too. My front bits are definitely pull back. Mine's going here. >> Look how far you look at your hair now. It's pulling just now. >> I've started spraying. Have you seen them fibers? You can get No, >> you can get this thing and it just sprays little >> when like he's going to Is it a he?

59:38 >> Oh, well, it doesn't say. I'm I'm guessing shave it all off. It's a he >> Yeah, shave it off. Well, I'm not going to tell him any different, am I? >> Okay. >> I I think I'd look horrendous with a bald hat. >> You should try it. >> You won't look great as it is. Now, >> the thing is, guys, because you got a Frank Spencer hat like Ry, >> you know what? >> You know what you do, >> Ry? Can I borrow your hat for you? I look this won't fit me. Yours your head's small. It's a small head.

60:01 >> Can we get Gary on AI? What the was >> Can someone AI a bald Gary Neville, please? >> Yes, fine. >> We need a bald Gary Neville. >> It's like an episode of what's that program you used to All right on the night. What was it called? >> Yeah, I used to love that. >> No, your one. >> No, my one was called Friday nights. All right. There used to be one that was live. >> It'll be all right on the night where things went wrong. I used to love those programs.

60:22 >> Right. Next one. Jill. >> Roy, I think you've done this a few times. So, I'm the best man at a wedding in the summer. Any advice on writing the speech and public speaking? Should I write it myself or just rely on AI? Because if you done it at your do AI for a best man speak >> that's tough. >> I did. That's when with the best man. >> I was Beex's best man. >> Was you?

60:47 >> Yeah. >> With the with the best man. You have to go into that place. You're the best man. You've been with him in places. You've been tight. You've been close. >> Or speech and speeches at a wedding. I think that's the most pressure I've probably ever been under in my life. Best man. Best man at best. Did it go well though? >> I I think I did a decent job. >> Still got a copy of it.

61:06 >> 10 15 minutes. Oh my god. >> Oh my god. You look like you look >> He looks good. He looks good. >> You look like the guy who went from Zoom to Mesa. He looks amazing. I'm telling you. >> Who's the guy who works with Jason Wilcox? >> He looks great. Oh, Brad. Omar Brad. You know something? >> You look like Omar. You look like somebody who works for FIFA who's just been passed about something that's gone wrong.

61:30 >> Infantino. >> Infantino. >> Girl, you look See, >> you've got to keep your head. >> Show. Get it. Show Emma. Honestly, I'm telling you, she'll be happy with that. >> Oh, that's not right. That >> No, no, that looks good. I think >> Oh, no. >> That's definitely not right. >> What's the next question? Best man speech. >> Best man speech. >> You said you don't wear the Beck's one. >> I did a decent I did a decent job, I think. I told a good job. We just beaten Bayern Munich in the >> Champions League final.

61:56 >> So I told a rude joke that you wouldn't ever tell now like 27 years later. >> Are you going to tell us? >> You going to tell us because you I heard it. >> It's it's it's a bit uncou. Have you heard it? Can I say it? >> It's a great joke. Do it. >> We're getting out. >> I said the Spice Girls want because the Spice Girls were all there obviously and I said the Spice Girls wanted the Bayern Munich team to come tonight to the event and I asked sort of why. He said, "Because any men that can stay on top for 90 90 minutes and still come second, they wanted to meet."

62:27 >> You made that up yourself? >> I made that up myself. Yeah. >> Did it get a laugh like that or was it an uncomfortable laugh? >> It was laughing their heads off. But yeah, but I don't I feel a bit sick saying it now. You know what I mean? 2026. You know what I mean? It's like a bit like uncouthed. But that back then the humor of like everyone thought it was really funny. >> No, that is funny.

62:44 >> That is >> Yeah. >> But in respect of a best man's speech, it's it's just got to come from >> I feel a bit sick. I feel a bit weird now. >> If you can go. >> Yeah, that's the thing. Give him the advice. >> It's bit uncoup, isn't it? It's not nice. >> And I done I done my daughter's obviously the the father speech a few months ago and I thought, oh went, okay, whatever. Gave T a little bit of stick or whatever and and at the end I went a drink to the and I said happy birthday to him. So the >> is that nerves?

63:12 >> Oh yeah, definitely nerves. At the end Yeah. Happy birthday. Yeah. To the happy couple. Happy birthday. Like they came over, you know, it's not our birthday. Did I say it? I didn't even realize I said it. I think until later on someone told me. I went, "What do you want me to speak at Jill? You want me to speak at your wedding? Get to speak at your wedding. Why don't us >> Don't make the joke about the Bayern Munich men's team on top for 90 minutes.

63:36 >> I I did get some. I was I write my speech with binoculars at the start, you know, cuz T place was Southampton. >> That's actually Did you have Did you have binoculars?" Yeah. That is funny. >> Jill, who's speaking at your wedding? >> no one at the party. You are more than welcome. Maybe we could do a little overlap. I like it. >> I'm going to go for it when I come to I'm I'm going to have a few, I think, when I go to >> Can you have a dance? I was thinking, >> "Oh, here we go."

64:08 >> I know, but I don't just want you sat there all night. Will you get up and dance? Are you going to have people keep coming around saying, "Come on." >> Can you imagine? >> I like watching people dance. >> I know, but can you have fun? >> What's the problem? All right. So, whoever Do you know what I should do when people are dancing? Go over and people go, "Sit down." No, I love dancing. So, why do you go over to people who are sitting out to go get up and dance?

64:29 >> All right. If you go up to everybody who's not dancing, come over to me. No problem. But don't just come over to me and go, "Get up and dance." >> Okay, I'll go over to everyone. Just one dance. >> I'm not dancing. Next one. Jill, you're obsessed with me dancing. >> You're a good dancer. I'm amazing dancing. Yeah. Only when you're young. >> Next one. >> Right. Righty. This is probably for you out of out of all of us at the table. I wish I was more fashionable, but I worry my friends will take the piss. Do I just go for it and change my clothes all at once or do I do it gradually?

64:58 >> No, you do do it gradually. The thing is the friends friends will always take the right >> just go to wide pants. Right. Just go to wide pants. >> You know the thing is is that that's people don't understand. That's the massive problem for a lot of people. Whether they whether they think it's funny or not, it's what people say. >> They're comfortable in it, obviously. >> But the thing is, >> why But why do we call Riley the stylist? Truthfully, cuz he's from London. But everyone from London, everyone thinks they're cool at dressing. It's not.

65:22 >> You are. But >> but the thing is is that you have to break through a phase of people digging you out. Whether it's wearing this hat, wearing your glasses, whatever it is, you have to go through that phase. You >> have to be brave, Ryd. >> You do because like people, you should have seen this is why I said I'm I'm going to wear these. You're going to see more of these. >> You should have seen this the Frank Spencer the that was coming through continually just because I'm wearing cuz I'm wearing a hat. But I style >> is a beret.

65:48 >> Yeah, wearing a beret. >> You know what I mean? And I and I made sure I got it fit so it comes on. >> You got your face where you like like that'll go on in a couple of weeks won't it'll be something different. >> But the hat, you know what I was wearing? You know the other hats I was wearing the dockers hats as a kid, >> you know? So I wearing those but I thought I just want to change >> b I used to have berries when I was a kid. I could get him aware that you can sort of pull that off. I can't pull off.

66:10 >> I'm not bothered if people think I could pull it off or not. This is the >> That's where the bravery is, isn't it? Yeah. >> Cuz that's where the bravery. That's what I would say to the person. You blast through the you're going to get cuz you're going to get it. >> Yeah. >> Simple as that. It's like Gary, look wearing baggy pants now. People digging you out. Say, "Look at you in baggy pants. What you giving it?"

66:25 >> Take risks, right? >> Take risks. Wear baggy pants. >> Yeah. So, be brave. Take risks. Get your baggy pants on. >> Get it done. >> Right. I'm 42 and I've moved to a new area and I don't have many friends locally. How do I make some? >> You're 42. >> You're not 42. Don't need to. >> I'm nearly 40. >> Do you need to make friends? >> I think so. Like, is it a man or a woman?

66:47 >> That's what they're asking. How do I make some? >> Is it a man or a woman? >> it doesn't say. Do you know what I think? Yeah. Going to go into the local shops. >> You could also go to the gym and maybe start training with people. >> Yeah. >> You could go to the shops. You can go to the local pub, maybe the local restaurant or something like that. You'll start to meet people naturally.

67:06 But I wouldn't I I the idea of having too many people in your life and having people who >> I love chatting to people. You know, if I go for a coffee shop, if I'm in London, I'll sit and I'll just go, "Are you having a good day?" And I just have the most random conversations. >> I could see you living in Would you live in London now? >> I like to I am there quite a bit, but I do like to be in for a few days and then Yeah. Wow. But I do love London. I love it. I love the hustle bustle. I always just walk around like I love it.

67:33 >> Making arrangements to be at coffee shops and then you're not there. >> Yeah. No, you went to the coffee shop and you didn't tell us. >> We did. No, I went to the wrong one. >> Roy told you the night before. >> Yeah, the night before. >> Shel was there? >> Yeah. As I was on a train to London. It was like breakfast. >> Wait for you to get on the train first. >> Yeah, I know. Exactly. Community questions.

67:52 >> Oh, no. Keep going with those hanging. >> Oh, how many keep going. >> How many more we got? >> One more. Do one more then we'll finish. >> Okay. >> Well, go. I'm having a good time. I'm just going to get in a car for 4 hours. just ask questions. Cut it out when we if it doesn't work out. >> Right. I like a city break, but my husband wants to go away to a beach. How should we decide? We'll just take them to the city.

68:14 >> What do you like? >> What time of year is it exactly? Because I suppose if it's a beach, it'll be summer, won't it? >> >> I'd go to the beach in the summer and city in the winter. I mean, that would be the easiest thing. >> Is that a serious question? It's not even a hard question. >> Oh, I get I've got a great answer. Well, if you had the option, what would you be? >> Go to a city with a beach.

68:32 >> Barcelona. >> Barcelona. Singapore. Those types of places. >> You're saying it's the kind of question. Can't they work that out themselves? >> You can go to places that have got >> You did. Valencia. >> You were there for seven weeks. >> Are these real questions and someone really >> But you know something, Valencia is one of the most beautiful places. >> I went recently. >> And you've got basically sun. Yeah. Go to a city with a beach and be serious.

68:54 How is the football doing in Valencia these days? >> Where are they in the table? They are right now actually mid table. >> No mid table. >> I don't hear much about them. >> Oh, second bottom apparently. >> They've never quite recovered recovering. This is why I'm worried for United. They would never return. >> My 2-year-old is struggling to sleep. Do you have any tips for getting her to sleep? Well, I looked after my nephew for two nights yesterday and the night before. 18 months old. And literally, I just put him in the bed with us and he slept for 12 hours. Why did you talk about your career?

69:34 >> Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I was like, "Let's talk about that." >> No, he was so cute. >> Was he sweet? How old is he? 18 months. I just put him down. He cuddled his toy. Then he grabbed my hand and he just went to sleep. >> He felt the love. He felt they feel honestly, they feel it. >> So, I don't know. >> When you say Yeah. But the thing is is that you with a 2-year-old, as you know, you have they have to have a routine leading into that.

69:58 >> If they haven't got a routine leading into that, then they're just not they're just going to think that it's it's play time and mess around time. >> You have to get them and say, "You've got to go to bed now. Put them in the bed. Make them stay in the bed. Don't make them come into the bedroom. Otherwise, they won't leave until they're 12. So, you got to put them in the bed, and you got to let them understand this is where you sleep. And so, when they wake up, which they'll do a few nights, they'll do that. Then you go back in and you let them know to >> but they're really upset. Yeah. No, I also think take them off for a bit of fresh air if you can.

70:26 >> Yeah. But then you let them understand this is your place of sleep. That's what you got to do. It's very it's very difficult because you feel sorry for them because they're crying and they want you. But you got you got to get past that otherwise they're going to cause you problems. >> We'd be good agony hands, won't we? >> Yeah. >> I think we should do that. >> The harmonica. >> Can imagine getting harmony. >> Have a little mess with it. It would be great when your when your grandkids >> when Bruce Bruce Springsteen plays Bob I think does >> see Stevie Wonder.

70:58 So yeah. >> Yeah. But Stevie Wonder played it as well. I think >> he's on tour and he's is he is he >> sound just >> you said you've seen him, haven't you? >> I have seen him. It was it was a tough one. It was you know what it was because like you you wanted the you wanted the the stuff the real he's top stuff and he was giving us other kind of >> we got good news. He's retired from going on tourney. Rod Stewart, what good news that is. Wow.

71:21 >> Should have known it 20 years ago. Absolutely. >> He's announced. I heard that the other three years to have a go. He stopped touring. I'm like, I'm in the car screaming. Yes. >> Wow. >> You can go to more Celtic games. >> You know what is really I remember going to I remember seeing him at Wembley once and >> who? >> Rod Stew. Sure. >> And I remember I'm thinking to myself, he's he's he's out of touch. He he just starts singing a couple of lines.

71:48 Everyone sings the song for him. >> Great gig that isn't it? >> It's amazing gig. He's kicking footballs into the into the crowd and everything. >> What year was that? Right. You going back donkey. >> Oh yeah, man. I went back to I went to see you. But like he was he was good though. His voice is I love his voice back then. He's very >> 30 years ago. Voice. >> We were good players 30 years ago. We're not anymore, are we?

72:07 >> How old you got to let it go. He's got to be probably 80 something. >> I'm going to say 112, you know, man. Hey, >> he's 81. >> 81. >> 81. >> He's done well. >> He's announced his retirement now from touring. >> That must be >> He did cancel about 60 gigs in the last two years, you know, when he wasn't feeling well. You know, >> let's stop. That's what Royy's got now. Let's >> Oh, no. Next night he's at a Scotland match. That's my point. Oh, forget forget the people who traveled thousands of miles. So this is Nag.

72:40 >> I'm I'm 81 working for 65 years nonstop. >> I'm 81. I wear skinny jeans. When should I start wearing skinny jeans, Rod? About to ago, pal. >> Stop showing your chest with him. >> Yeah. Cobai boots. >> Leave him alone. Leave him skinny jeans. >> Leave him. >> Right. >> Well, on that note, >> we always finish on a that note, don't we? I love that. >> Are we doing a bit? >> Yeah.

73:10 >> Well done everybody. That was a good one. >> Hey, we done well. We didn't need no guest. We never need a guest. >> What a great set of a agony ants we are. >> We are brilliant. >> I've really enjoyed that. >> This has been a Global and the Overlap production. Heat. Hey, heat. Hey, heat.