Brad Pitt | Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

0:00 Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard and I'm joined by Mrs. Mouse, the mightiest of the mess. I'm here. I'm mighty. Wow. Yeah. I'm have to imagine many people have guessed about this episode cuz we've obviously been so excited for a while now knowing and so excited that I was like, even though he said yes, I just feel like there'll be something will happen. There's no way. I'm still scared. Yeah, I am too until it's been out for like even two weeks maybe.

0:34 Um, but yeah, the number one from when I sat down, the notion of of interviewing this person was absolutely implausible. Hilarious. It was a joke. It was a funny joke. Yep. But then Monty got Matt Damon and that maybe cracked a little ray of hope. Oh yeah. Dreams do come true. Dreams come true. Without further ado, my dream boyfriend, Brad Pitt, an Academy Award-winning actor, a producer, Fight Club 7. I feel embarrassed even listing these. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and Glorious Bastards, and the new most kick-ass movie of the summer, I'm going to declare it as the most kick-ass movie of the whole summer and maybe the decade.

1:14 F1 hair raising [ __ ] a point of view you've never gotten. This is as close as you can get to what it feels like to be in a race car. Oh, it's incredible. And he's [ __ ] perfect. He's perfect. God, we love him. We really do. And he I mean, as you'll hear, he's just such a delight. So kind. Gave us so much of his time. Yeah. Charm the [ __ ] out of us. Really?

1:37 Yeah. Well, get your spare. Nope. Don't say it. Please enjoy Brad Pitt. He's an object. [Music] He's an object. [Music] Hi, Monica. How are you?

2:09 So nice to meet you. You, too. Sorry. I got I No, you're good. You're good. I got a What'd you get? I tried this new thing here. It's a blueberry latte. Well, I'll take a sip. I'll absolutely take a sip. Thank you for offering. Oh, yes. Is it nice? Well, I love Blueberry is my favorite fake flavor. You want in there? You got to take a little rip. Not really, but I will. I've put two nicotine products next to you in case you um are wanting.

2:38 No, I'm long. I'm done. You're done? Yeah. For how long? Couple years now. Zero nicotine. None. Why? I think 30 years of smoking. I just figured I've had enough. I've had enough. Good for you. I've had enough. But nicotine is really good for your brain. Is it? That's what he likes to say. Listen, I got I got I got it in reserves. Yeah, you don't need any pickme up. Now, is this is there any problem with like advertisement?

3:05 You can do whatever you want. We can sponsor. Those are just what we thought you might like. We threw a lot of beverages at But we're going to ask you to hold a fillet of fish at one point and say, "God damn, this is good." You don't have to say McDonald's. I have no idea what this means, but I'm doing a [ __ ] ad for God. Yeah. Supporting. Is that Sure. Wow. We're That What is that? A waffle? What is that?

3:30 What do we call that? Yes. Yeah. That looks [ __ ] great. The blue is really nice. Okay. Not only is this God's true cashmere, I'm pretty sure this is the one you gifted me. I've got a few now. And I think I was like, I think that's the one he sent. I think you know what I think he's doing? I think he's kind of like playing for another. I know. Oh, there's no gift. I think he's like trolling a little bit.

3:51 I mean, I'm not going to rule out that I don't want one. Monte has some She has some true I do. I have some shorts. Shorts are fun. They're so cute. The green and white. Would you go short hoodie? Would you go Would you do a hoodie? I would do a hoodie even with long hair cuz sometimes women with long hair up a lot. You cut our hair off, right? For a free hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. Great.

4:12 For God's true. or a blanket. A blank. You guys do blankets. Oh, yeah. We do cushy blankets. That sounds nice. How did we come up with the name God's True Cashmere? My dear friend who is originally a holistic nurse. Okay. And like that I met around the time we like met. Yeah. Or really age of discovery. In my age of discovery. And I came in one day and she said, "I had a dream about you. You said I want more green in my life." And I literally said that to someone the day before, like just at a whim. I want more green in my life.

4:49 That is spooky. And so she made me a green shirt. This super soft, super cash. So she was a holistic nurse who also made Yes. Her name is Sati, which means it means God's truth. Oh. And she goes, "What do you think of this?" Yeah. We started making them and we really liked them. Then we started making them for our friends and Mhm. we thought, "All right, let's make a little side hustle and have some fun with it." It's been really a lot of fun.

5:12 A lot of fun. So fun. But yeah, so she said, "What do you think of God's True Cashmere?" I went, "It's bold." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's memorable. It It sticks out. Uhhuh. Yes. Can't find a reason not to. Might get a certain segment of the country mad, but hey, let's roll with it. Well, I mean, everyone's got their own definition, right? They sure do. Well, everyone thinks it's you that you're God and it's your true Kashmir.

5:36 Oh, that would be the worst. That would be the very worst. I think people might think that. I thought it in a good way. In a good Oh, no. I've really stepped in it already. I got to go. Yeah, Pit. He's known for his ego. No, you are not. Massive. No, you are not. Okay. So, on that topic, I like that there's no entry to this. You just slide. You like that? Because don't you think when you're acting like action is almost and there have been famous directors who don't say action, right?

6:10 I asked on the last one not to. Oh, you did? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cuz all of a sudden it's like be great now as Yeah. Yeah. jarring. As opposed to like we're talking, we're hanging. Given the way you and I met, does it make you nervous? You mean of That's hopefully where where it is. You know, I've never had a gay experience. I kind of missed that window, but if I did, yeah, it wouldn't be you.

6:37 Oh man, you had me. I was like, he's going to say it. I was like, he Dax is going to die. 14th or 15th. I don't want to brag, but you're going to need to build up to me. Oh, boy. I do recommend you start with some some starters. Okay. Okay. Back to the real thing. Given the context in which we met, which is like really heightened honesty and vulnerability. Yeah. Does it make you nervous to have to talk with me in public?

7:07 No, not at all. Okay, great. Yeah, quite at ease. Okay, great. We can say men's group, right? I say AA. You're not supposed to, but I say I said that I went on like some New York Times interview and what a like amazing thing this experience was for me. It was a men's group. Yeah. was aa it was when I first was getting sober and I just thought there was just incredible men sharing yes you know their experiences their um their foibless their um missteps their wants their their aches and just and and a lot of humor with it and um I I thought it was really special experience coming from the Ozarks where we're like everything's great.

7:47 Yeah. And so I do this interview and I say this and I got admonished by someone of the higher ups. Oh, you did? It's anonymous. I went, but no. And but how does that help anyone though? Not for you. I that's what I fit. Yeah. Here's the truth. There was a period of time where if you were known to be an alcoholic, you would be run out of your neighborhood. You couldn't find employment. There was a great reason for it. But even deeper than that is they didn't want alcoholics just showing up at their doorstep cuz there no one had a [ __ ] solution. and you would be kind of inviting just the town drunks to show up. So, a lot of reasons. My excuse cuz I say it openly and I've gotten some criticism. It's like I've had a couple dozen maybe more people come up to me in the last seven years and go like, "Hey man, I'm I'm the best man in my brother's wedding and my family wouldn't talk to me and I found out about aa from you." And I'm like, "I'll take that dude over 1,000 [ __ ] I've had a few of those as well."

8:40 Yeah. But Dax, you know, you go around in a circle, it's kind of spiral cuz it's really crowded room. Yeah, Dax would always was near the end. Usually near the end cuz he's been there a while. He's kind of like a elder statesman. Elder statesman. Thank you. And would always have this like I really I really respected it. Was really open, honest. Was a way to kind of take the whatever the theme kind of seemed to go in the evening and then put it in the funniest funniest kind of package and it meant a lot to me. Really did.

9:07 That's really really I say that straight. Good job, D. Yeah, that was a really I haven't talked to him since. Yeah. So impactful that I have not seen him. You use him for what he's worth and then you walk away. That's what we do. Send him a couple of the free products every now and then. He tell you about our date. Tell Yeah, he did. He did. But we keep you on the DL a little bit on this show.

9:27 Yeah. And this is really kind of this fun theme that and I often tell people this and I wonder if you can relate to this. Surely you've worked with people where you're holding two things simultaneously about them. Like if you were to have worked with Paul Newman. I imagine you have Paul Newman. Yeah. And then you would have a man, you know. Yep. Yeah. And I think it's okay to keep both those things alive. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair.

9:53 Yeah. It's I have a I have a handful of friends where it's like Robert Downey Jr. I saw him as a kid in Weird Science and him dumping the [ __ ] malt off the top of the album with the He's not even a main player in that movie. We had a rad cardigan on and like a zoot suit or something. Yeah, he was wild. And I'm like that that dude's awesome. I love that dude. Followed him throughout the years.

10:16 Ultimately became friends with him. And it's like yeah, I have like Robert, the dude I know. And then there's the guy I just was in love with from Chaplain and all these things, but they don't really I mean they don't intersect, right? They don't Yeah. They don't intertwine that way. Did you have anyone like that? Well, all these you you said it like I remember meeting Newman. Okay. you know, um, working with Redford, working with Hackman. Yeah, sure.

10:41 Absolutely. You know, I have that with Sean Penn. There you go. He'd be my one, I think. Number one. That's a good one. 89. Sean Penn. Oh, [ __ ] He'd be He'd be number one. Oh my god. How about Racing with the Moon? How about at Close Range? Oh my god. He was [ __ ] know this one. I haven't seen that. Rush Home. Okay. This one on. He's in it with his brother. Christopher Walkin. Yep. Chris. And he got [ __ ] huge for it.

11:05 Wow. Yeah. Remember you were younger like, "Oh [ __ ] Sean Penn's [ __ ] huge." Yeah, he's badass. Yeah, he's a bad [ __ ] It's super stylized the way it's shot. Jimmy Foley um directed it. But it's also it is I mean I think younger actors should study it because so much is said without saying it. It's it's it's such a streamlined script and everything is undercurrent. It's kind of quiet, right? The movie's pretty quiet.

11:32 It's great. Okay, we share another one while we're on this road. Uh Mickey Roor, we do. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. Mickey Roor. Where does it start for you? In fact, cuz you know, we started like I don't know. I started really looking at acting. It was late 80s. Uhhuh. And so at that point, Mickey Roor. Wow. Yeah. Fire. He had kind of this Bogart roughness to him. Super tough, but also this really vulnerable. really vulnerable like tough guy. Yeah, he could walk both lines. He was doing something that was so extraordinary. She watch Angel Heart. Angel Heart like oh and Lisa Bonet and Angel Heart.

12:11 It's incredible. Oh, just incredible. I was when I was a kid, I'm like, I'm naming my daughter if I have one. Epiphany. Epiphany. Yes. Lisa Monet. First her first name is Lisa Monet. Lisa Monet. He's got great vulnerability. And that's the deal be to be able to walk with that kind of strength and toughness and then and he was sexy which dudes sexy. Dudes weren't really sexy then village. Oh what a stated movie so 80s. He still is timeless. He is so badass in it.

12:43 I'm the pope. Oh no. Oh my fingers. Took my [ __ ] thumb. Charlie. Okay. go back to that situation which meeting you in that context. You're at this meeting. We're going to get into the fact that a bazillion famous people have come to this meeting and everyone's used to it and then you came and it was it was pretty overwhelming and I got a real sense of what's go what your experience is in in this way that I couldn't really fathom but you you have the power of when you are in a place everyone can't stop thinking about you and I was like God he has to be aware of that. What does that feel like? That's a lot to deal with. How is he ever going to open up and be honest in this space?

13:30 And then it did it dissipates a bit. People get a little more comfortable. And then you were you were so [ __ ] honest. And I was like, he must have a stubbornness like I have, which is like, yeah, all this is going on, but I refuse to let it not let me be a person. Oh, it's interesting. Never thought about it that way. You know, I was in pretty um uh I was pretty much on my back.

13:51 Yeah. you know, on on my knees and I was really open to I was trying anything and everyone anything anyone threw at me. It was a particular difficult time. I need rebooting. I needed to wake the [ __ ] up in some areas and and it meant it just meant a lot to me. So, yeah, the first is, oh my god, it's coming around. You know, it's coming around. It's getting closer. It's going to be yours. But everyone was so open.

14:18 It's contagious, right? It is. It gives you permission in a way to go, okay, I'm going to step out on this edge and see what happens. And then I really, you know, I just really grew to love it. When another dude shares so honestly and open about his struggles and his defects and it gets to you, don't you feel you feel like you owe him that honesty in return? And it was also but it it was also um you know anything could um anything could go because some guys would be like you know what didn't have such a bad week.

14:50 Sure did this and this worked and this was and talk about their wins you know so it's like I made my bed and I had a great Yeah. Little failures and little successes and yeah and you know what I woke up and I'm I'm going to do it again tomorrow. So that too and then there's always what what do you think is there's about 30 guys in there roughly? Yeah, a big different guys when they come up.

15:11 People are knocking up a little bit hardly. But then there's always one guy you got there's always one guy though where he just just loves to hear himself talk and he just go Yeah. It's tough and you get Wait till you get through the next one. It's actually not tough. It's pretty funny. There's Dax in a fight with someone over it once. I did get in a fight in that room. Yeah. Oh, really? I missed that one. I missed that week. We told the story on the podcast so I don't mind saying it out loud again. But the actor Eric Dayne who I now [ __ ] love. I have such a sweetness for him now.

15:42 Yeah. Yeah. We all went had a mini mini group over there. Oh yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. He was hosting. But when we first were around each other was not good. And then he threatened a dude in the meeting. Wow. And I said, "Let's go motherfuckers." In the middle of the meeting, he goes, "If you hit that timer again, I'm going to [ __ ] throw you in that candle." Time. And I go, "That's it, [ __ ] Let's go. Stand up. Let's go outside." He stands up. We go outside and I'm going to beat the [ __ ] out of him in Tom's driveway.

16:14 We were coming for healing and understanding. And then um but what's great is we're friends now. We told that story on the podcast and it's like quite a hilarious beginning for us cuz now I love them. But anyways, I set all that up just to say is I I felt very compassionate to what you go through and I didn't I never sweated you. I wasn't like coming up to you. Hey man, I'm Dax. Nice to meet you. Blah blah blah. So, I didn't really interact a ton with you.

16:38 We had met before that. We'll say that to the end. I think. Okay. Well, I'll tell you. I know. Listen, it didn't make leave a mark, but I I'm pretty sure we did. Okay. Listen, I think it would have left a mark. So, I I don't I didn't sweat you much. And um and you and I I do want everyone in the world to know like you're insanely gracious. You learned everyone's name. You engaged with people. I almost thought you were particularly good at assessing who was kind of low status and you seem to really be kind to those people. There was a thing going and I I really respect it. Was really moving. I mean, some some of these men were so moving.

17:12 And then you come up to me at the end and you go, "Hey, are you going to this um track day next week?" And I go, "Yeah, I am." And then I go, "Oh, right. We both know Duffy." Yep. This must be how you know I'm going to that track day. And then you go, "Track day, Motos. vehicles, motorcycles on the track. I know about vehicles. Two wheels. She's been on some vehicles. I have been on a couple.

17:34 And you go, "Hey, um, you want to ride up on a helicopter with me?" And I go, "Absolutely." Going to say no to that. Of course I should wear bachelor style date. Do you have a favorite color you want me to put in? Uh, yes. So, so you invited me and I was like, "Oh, this is incredible." I wasn't even sure if he knew I was in this room. And then we went on this glorious helicopter ride for me. It was very romantic. Chatting the whole way like And were you like, you know, giving a tour just slowly?

18:05 Yeah. Slowly get that hand. No. What? It's like a three-hour drive up there and something like that. Isn't too much to beat down. Yeah. Yeah. So to get up early and, you know, go do the thing. We're talking about just one of those rock and roll things you get to do every now and then. You said you want to go. I was like, "Yeah, I'm not sure how I'm going to get my bike there." I'm saying yes. whether I have a mic or not someone else's.

18:25 Yeah, let it be known Dax is rapid. He's quick. He's fast. You brought him here to give you so many the record also. Brad's very fast. Brad's very fast, too. Okay. No, no, not not that much on two wheels. I wasn't as quick as these guys or Channing. Well, he's been doing it a lot. Channing was annoyingly good. Really quick, really good. Really good. And I'm like, yeah, he's one of these athletes that can kind of do every single like Lewis. We had Toto on and Toto's like, you know, Lewis is one of these guys that drives you crazy. He can do everything and just he tries it and he's immediately fast, you know? You just kind of got to do like a subdue Schwarzenegger.

19:01 It's almost the same bang on. Yeah. Like if Schwarzenegger went to a four-year college, you know. Um I have a quick question about the meeting before you leave. Go. When you first get there, are you thinking like when it's going around, are you thinking are people going to talk about me specifically? Like is there any nerves going into a meeting when you have you do have to be very vulnerable and you know like people there might have an extra interest in my story.

19:28 So I've heard of stories where like Philip Seymour Hoffman went to one and someone videoed and put it out. Scary, but I've been sure assured by another friend this was a safe place. Um, two, I'm like I am I mean I'm I am a stubborn [ __ ] but I am also when I've stepped in [ __ ] I'm pretty good at taking responsibility for it and owning up to it. Yeah. And and now it's a quest to, you know, what do I do with this? What, you know, how how how can I write this and and and make sure it doesn't happen again or or just be better.

20:01 Yeah. Be better. Be better. Step up. And um so I was really open to that. I was really open to see what these guys were doing who had their thing and been there for a while. Sure, I was a bit um a bit shy. I'm a I'm I can generally be a bit shy in any kind of situation first. Yeah. But I don't know. I I just remember getting my arms around it pretty quickly and really really really Yeah. became a thing for me. It was really like something I'd look forward to.

20:29 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. That was a very kind of special. It is hard even in like therapy. Even me in therapy who no one cares, but I'm like therapist could care less. But I'm I'm like, should I tell her everything? What if she goes What if she tells somebody something? There's just like there's always that Oh, no. I didn't know. When I jumped into therapy then, I was just blah blah blah and I did this and I did that and da da and I did that.

20:56 Good for you. That's good. Trusting or stupid. Desperate. No. Well, desperate's a good reason. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't come into AA because everything's working out fantastic. No. That's usually not the entry point. It's not the winner's club. Yeah. Most people like, "Your hair has got to be on fire before you go like, "Yeah, I'll go hang with a bunch of dudes and talk about emotions." My feelings. Yeah. My feelings. Yeah. It's not the most appealing offering. Um, I want to know about Missouri.

21:28 Yeah. I think we've bonded over this before and you saying I want more green in my life is something that I constantly think of. It's like I just [ __ ] Lakes is in my DNA. Yeah, you and me both. I hadn't read Shocking. I hadn't read uh um Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer any of that until maybe two months ago. I read both. Amazing. And now I'm reading the Chernow biography on Mark. Yeah, I just got it. I picked it up.

21:54 Yeah. Good. It's awesome. Good. And so it's really good. How close were you to where he grew up? It would have been the same. It's the It's the Ozarks. It's the same. It's a It's a pretty I mean, it's a beautiful country. Yeah. Um but it's also the Mason Dixon line. North and South fought there. It's um birthplace of televangelism. Oh wow. But a lot of meth labs in the you know it can be there's this dichotomy that's kind of always at play. And because it's it's this confluence of Midwestern and southern and it it it I don't know it all kind of flattens out there in a way at least like you know our accents are kind of more like this. We just kind of like talk like this and we just keep on going and just Yeah. Yeah.

22:39 And your dad owned a trucking company at the tail end. He did. He ran a trucking company. He did. Was he himself a truck driver? No, he wasn't. No. But I would I worked there. You did? Yeah. Yeah. on the on the docks loading. No, they didn't let me load. They didn't let you load. They didn't let you near the forklift. Yeah. Yeah. And mom was a counselor. Uh she was a teacher and then was, you know, raised us and then got more into counseling after we left.

23:08 Okay. So, what kind of ch you you have a very confusing when I go through my stereotypes of where I grew up, Michigan. Um, people didn't play tennis and they didn't really they weren't swimmers. Like your sports are I can't really put you in a box. You were an athlete, but you were doing you're golfing and swimming. Never golfed. You didn't golf. That's No, I rebelled against golfing cuz everyone was golfing. Okay. Okay. Well, it was rebelling against it was kind of the sport of the It felt like the sport of the religious right.

23:36 Oh. A little bit to me. Interesting. And so my dad like he did all right and he gave us you know we were middle class. He gave us, you know, certainly much better than what he had, you know, coming. He was out house poor Oklahoma and gave us much better uh uh opportunities, but that one that one, I don't know. I had a bug up my ass about that one. And yet I watch all the I watch all the the Masters the Oh, you do?

23:59 I love them. I find them so relaxing and amazing. And they're great to take a nap to, right? And they're good to doze and come back in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not much is come in and see like, you know, whole 16, 17, 18. That's not really a good selling point. Like it's good to nap, too. You like nap, but it is incredible what these guys do. It's incredible. It's amazing. I had no interest in it. And then I got sucked into Full Swing, which is the same [ __ ] company that did Drive to Survive. Love that one.

24:26 Everything they make, I watch. Yeah, me too. Do you watch the Jockey one? No, I for the Triple Crown. No, but we just did one with him. Oh, you did? I Man, TT. Oh my god. Wait. So, it's Channing with Channing's company. No. And then Channing's going to do a film. Yeah. Oh, baby. You've been then? I've never been. Okay, that's what we'll do together. Have you been? This is This is the most insane race. You're absolutely insane.

24:52 And you want to race in it? No. No. Oh my god. These guys are another breed. I've told you about this race. A couple people die every single race. Yeah, that sounds horrible. Not last year. Last year they got through. But we found Was that the one you were filming at? Cuz that would be good. Yeah. Yeah. You got like even the Moto GP guys go, "Uhuh. Those guys are [ __ ] nuts. It's crazy. Crazy." Okay, great. We're right here. What it enrages in me is you're a coward. You're I'm so afraid to do that. And now, weirdly, I have got to do that cuz I'm a coward if I don't do this. That's what drove me to it.

25:28 He has so much shame. What What What drove you to it? There there is that white trash side of the Ozarks of that component and you know growing up you know getting on a minibike and being at the lake and in bass boats and my dad would give it to us at 12 and we'd take the boat out on ourselves. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and then driving too early and driving on dirt roads, driving in the rain, driving in the ice, you know.

25:53 Did it snow there? Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Four seasons. Four season snow is the funnest thing a young man can do. Except he hit the black ice and Yeah, it'll surprise you. Yeah, the motorcycle thing just you started watching it. No, I had one when I was a kid and then um and then kind of lost it in the '9s and then got back on it. Um I I' I'd kind of watched a little bit, you know, the in the McDan period when he was when he was winning Moto GP.

26:20 Yeah. And uh this that's a crazy story because he had a horrible accident in the early 90s. Horrible accident in the race. They were going to take his leg. He said, "Don't, please don't don't." Mhm. They've revolutionized this thing that's now as common practice where they fused his two legs together to get blood supply. Whoa. And worked, got up, won five championships. What? Yeah. Yeah. And now his son was is doing who was who was driving for Alpine.

26:50 Oh my. That's his son. Yeah. Oh wow. He's a rookie this year. Yeah. Yeah. Oh wow. I had no idea. I just had a flashback. Did you ever go to Demolition Derby? Oh god. Yeah. Okay. So, demolition derby is a bunch of guys getting in a car, any kind of car. Usually the station wagons won cuz it would go in reverse and they just bang the [ __ ] out of each other and last man standing wins.

27:09 Yeah. And sometimes there's a figure eight. But I went to those a lot. So, and then I had an crazy uncle who's a preacher had this kind of Elvis hair do and he raced stock cars. Oh, wow. You know, in the dirt. You just grew up around it. Yeah. How much were you like in search of masculinity? I was deeply I my story is my dad wasn't around so I was like whatever the dude said to do you know ride a wheelie jump your bike whatever the thing was fight I was racing towards it cuz I just I had I had to get some kind of masculine validation.

27:41 Were you in search of that? I never never put that much thought into it. Um my dad was a pretty cool customer and I think I absorb it a lot. I you know I see it in my roles. I either I'm either doing him or I'm rebelling against him in some way. Yeah. Is he with us still? Yes, he's still with us. Okay. And uh 83 going to see him next week. Oh, he's pretty cool. He was pretty cool.

28:03 But, you know, going to the drive-in theater started, you know, all my life, they didn't have a lot of money, so we would pop popcorn. By the time we got there, it was wet. They'd make Kool-Aid and we'd go sit on the, you know, in the front of the the big Buick and watch movies. We had a in our neighborhood. We had a drive-in theater. Yeah. but also of these ideas of masculinity because we would see a lot of Clint Eastwood. We would see Butch and Sundance.

28:29 Yeah. Yeah. Do you have brothers and sisters? I got a younger brother, younger sister. Yeah. Okay. So, you're firstborn. Yeah. That wouldn't have been my guess. Yeah. You don't read as firstborn. Why? You're kind of too nice. What is your thing? Cuz I'm firstborn. We are bossy, I suppose. Um, I think I associate that type of adventure with a middle or youngest. Ah, okay. Yeah, cuz you're trying, that's the other thing. I had an older brother 5 years older than me. So, whatever he was doing, I was trying to do. Yeah. So, he was in a BMX and then I was in a BMX. He was in You're always trying to raise I think feel like you're always trying to like raise the stakes when you're a younger improve. That'd be my brother certainly always getting in trouble. Is he wild?

29:12 He was wild then. now he's uber successful and you know whatever he takes on he he masters it but that was the thing I think when you talk about masculinity I I maybe I put in terms of capability because that was kind of um a big thing with my dad you know you get up and you do it and he had us working you know we mowing the lawn at 8 you know he shouldn't be these blades and things dumping the but all my life I had a you know I had a job okay so maybe that's another another thing I chase and maybe do is competence.

29:43 Competence is so hot. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to agree with you. You talked about all those sports like I was okay at all of them. Yeah. I wasn't great at any of them. Didn't stick with any of them long enough to be great at them, you know. Not that I even could, but to be competent in all of them. Yeah. Did you ever have to beat anyone up to save your brother?

30:06 No. In fact, I remember he got in fights before I did even. Okay. Yeah. [Music] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare. [Music] Yeah. I remember getting in a fight and I grabbed the guy in the balls like, "Oh, it worked." Desperation. Desperation again. It worked. I wonder why it worked though. Was it because it hurt so bad or cuz everyone was such a homophobe back then? Oh, [ __ ] He's going to get away.

30:42 Run away. Was that happening then? Was there like a lot of like you have to be a boy like you know calling a wuss. It's still happening though. We thought it was gone. And then we were talking to Dax's kid the other day and I was like all this. She was like this kid in my class is racist. And she was like telling and I'm like he is racist. Oh yeah. Like crazy racist in LA school.

31:04 Like oh like 10. And I thought it was done. And it's just like maybe it's just human nature to be cruel. It is. I think at that age and and nice. Yeah. Yeah. No, benevolent is the word I was looking for. Yeah. Okay. So, you go to University of Missouri. Yeah. You must have had pretty good grades. That's Yeah. All right. Good enough. Yeah. Capable. And you wanted to do journalism. I wanted to do architecture, but there wasn't an architectural path in at at Missou, but they had the best journalism school. Okay. And then I thought, well, okay, I don't really want to interview people, but I'll design magazines or movie postersh.

31:50 So, I was it was going kind of the design angle. Had you read Fountain Head already? I had not read Fountain Head. Okay, let's talk about Fountain Head for one second. Okay. I'm not a big fan, by the way, of Fountain Head. You're not? No. I 20 years ago read some interview with you. Yeah. I swore it said you like Fountain Head. I'm like, I think I did then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is what I want to talk about.

32:11 Yeah. Cuz I was like, I'm going to check that book out. This is his favorite book. I read it and I was like, oh yeah, Howard Ror. I want to be Howard Ror. Like, I'm right. No matter what happens, it's just proven I'm right. That's a very appealing archetype when you're young. Reddit. What is he like? Our hard work is basically Frank Lloyd Wright. Right. That's the kind of model. That's the idea is model on. Yeah.

32:32 Einran modeled it off Frank Lloyd. Right. Yeah. So he would design things for people, but he wasn't really interested in what they wanted. He he was a genius and he would come in and he would build something for you. Let me show you what you want. Yes. It's his vision. You know, certainly people would be against it, but when when when it was all over, he would be right. And I think when you're 20, you're like, "True."

32:53 Yeah, man. That's validation. I was right. Yeah, that's all you want. I'm a genius. And there was also this idealism of like, you know, she came from socialism and and this idea of an individual voice and and supporting the individual voice, I think meant a lot to her and I think is the basis behind this. And so as a young person, you read the idealism because spoiler alert, he, you know, he'll burn it all down if you take his thing and corrupt it.

33:22 Aha. Um, yeah. there was no uh um group sport in in it. So in this day and age, blowing up buildings is not really it's not cool. Yeah. Not the cool. It's not the course you want to take. There's other ways to handle it probably. Yeah. Okay. So you already had loved architecture. So yeah, if you already loved architecture and you're in your 20s and you read that book, it's like this thing was written for me.

33:43 Yeah. Then did you read Alice Shrug? Yes. Yeah. And James, what is it? Uh G. G. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I read it and I just thought and then I went Yeah. It fell apart for me reading that. I know. I know. I I I know so many people love this book, but for me it was like we're special and we're going to keep our specialness to us. And I don't know. It just didn't Yeah. Similar theme, I guess. Like it was all about individualism, but it was also this um this entitlement to just that our opinion is right and we're best and we're going to keep it to ourselves because you don't deserve us.

34:18 You know, this kind of I I don't know. Compromise would be a very ugly word for Yes. her or any of those books. Yeah. Now, is this true that you left college a week before graduation? No, I actually went through graduation. Oh, I just didn't finish my last week of classes and actually graduate, but my parents were already coming. Oh, you went to the ceremony, but you didn't graduate. [ __ ] walked the line. Hat and all cap.

34:43 You wanted to be able to throw your hat. Well, sure. It's very miss. That's a crazy [ __ ] decision. No, because I decided I'm coming to LA. Uhhuh. You only had one week left. I had one week left. But what's the Spike Jones movie adaptation? Remember when Chris um Cooper goes he talks about he's into what is the the flowers? Yeah. The Lotus. Uh yeah. Yes. Lotuses. No, it wasn't lotus. Orchids. Orchids. Yeah. Yeah. And he talked about his former Jones was about was about fish or some kind of fish breeding. She said she I think it was Mel asking what happens and he says done with fish.

35:18 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kind It felt like that for me. It just like wow done. I don't want to do this. I talked to a friend. They had It never occurred to me I could like I was kind of lamented that movies weren't an option. I'd always loved movies. I met this um friend whose dad had a condo in Burbank and said I could stay there for one month. And I went green light. I'm going to it.

35:44 I'm going and he moved to Beverly. Wow. What car did you drive out for that? Datson 200 SX. Oh, wow. With the bumper hanging off. Okay. Wasn't in great shape. You still have it? No. Oh, sometimes it's fun to have those old original. Do you fantasize about getting any of the stupid cars you have? Cuz I had a 91 Honda Civic DX for a decade here and I want to get one and make it [ __ ] fast.

36:09 I was just looking My dad had a 74 Monte Carlo and I was just looking that up. You gotta get it. It's just looking it up. You gotta get it. Just for fun. Just a little tribute. How often are you scrolling those cars? Be honest. Yeah. Just bring a trailer. As often as I'm scrolling Zillow. Yeah, I know. Zillow will really I love I love house porn. House porn. Car porn. Bike porn. Well, you've been in this situation for a long time, but it's for so long it was just I dreamt about it and then I could do it and then I did it. I bought too much stuff and I saw the toys out there.

36:43 fun. This is me. This is me now like constrained. So I have these like rules I have to have in place like I have to look at the car like 10 times and I got to want it still in four months, you know? Like I ah So you make sure that you put the time in to make it worth its while. That's right. I I I cuz I'm dangerous. I get on bring a trailer and I'm like, "Oh my [ __ ] god, I need that thing so bad." Okay, so you drove out in a Dodson. I did hear a funny story about you um wanting to get your SAG card and and interjecting. I got shut down so hard.

37:15 You told me shut down. I was doing extra work for about a year and a half before I even got into got to do something real. I was do I was an extra and I was thrilled. I loved it. I couldn't believe I you'd be on set. Yeah. And I started that I mean when I landed in Burbank I got the paper. I went to McDonald's. I had $275 left in my name. There were three extra agencies. You could pay him 25 bucks and you were in.

37:40 I found it in the paper and I got in. The next day I'm going I'm rolling. I'm doing an industrial industrial like video by the end of the week. Yeah. And and I get this um I get this gig. I'm already inflating what what happened. I'm an extra in this movie. I land this role. I land this job as extra. the funny that when I started I put them on like a resume like they were real and it still haunts me.

38:08 Oh, sure. It's still like on my Anyways, that's great. I'm like an jackass. And um it's it's a restaurant scene and it's the main characters Charlie Sheen and DB Sweeney and then and a bunch of other actors that I wasn't necessarily aware of. And I am the waiter. I supposed to bring up champagne and pour champagne. They show me how to do it. You got to pour. You spin. You wipe the thing. I said great. More than an extra.

38:32 I come in. Well, it was a chosen extra. I got ch I was chosen. I got put forward. Oh my gosh. And the whole game was how do you get your SAG card because you can't get a job if you don't have your SAG card. But you can't get your SAG card unless you've had a job. So it was this catch 22 specifically. You need to speak. Yeah. You got to speak. That was the that was the barrier to entry.

38:52 Yes. And like a jackass. They're having the scene. They're doing the scene. And I get to the last the last um actor and she seemed lower on the totem pole like like I thought maybe and literally the scene is going on. I pour her champagne and I go, "Would you like anything else?" I want the dailies from that. Listen to this. Listen to this. It was It was First AD runs over. You do that again, you're out of here.

39:24 Oh my god. It was just shame for the rest of the night. That's so cool. Took a shot. Yeah. Yeah. Look, it was These are the best stories. Favro has one shot. Favro is an extra. I think it's like a Hoffman Hoffer or something. Something's shooting in Chicago when he lives there. He's an extra and he's in a van and he's driving through the background of a scene and it occurs to him, "They're not going to be able to see me. There's not enough light in here."

39:53 No. So he decides, I'm going to turn on the interior lights and I'm going to drop the visor and turn that light on. And so like take three, someone finally knows like what's going on with the [ __ ] extra lit in the way. You can't light yourself. Oh my god. Industrious. Yeah. Yeah. We're desperate at that time. So endearing. It's so hard. It is sweet. So, um, how long before you were like I guess when's the Louise? How how long before we get that?

40:28 They would say what? 5 years. If you're not working in 5 years, like go home. And I got that at year four. We just need to honorably mention Monica and I shared favorite movie is seven. Yeah. It's actually hard for me to with you sitting there think it's you. Yeah. Cuz we've watched it. So, it's that thing. We've watched it so many times. Such a good It holds up. It does hold. Oh, good. That's David Fincher. That's Andy Kevin Walker. Yeah.

41:02 But the two of you also like Yeah. Yeah. What about working with Morgan? I interviewed Morgan this year with the gun down David. Yeah. No, he's the voice of God. Really? Um, but I that was a like I had hit a point I had oh man 94 when 94 was such a bugged out year. That's Cobain. That's OJ the whole summer. Wow. Yeah. And I had Oh my I had had not such great experiences coming off a couple of jobs and I just wasn't really sure.

41:36 I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure what I was doing. I had the weirdest summer. I had this girlfriend who was into reptiles. We bought 40 chameleons. I was living in Errol Flynn's old like bachelor pad, glass windows, and they were filled with terrar. Our house was like a terrarium. Girlfriend who was into reptiles specific, not five or 10. I know. I know. Were you showing off like we'll take them all? I would get up. It was the most unhealthy time. I just needed to check out. And I was I was I would wake up with a I would get a bong load. I would have four Coca-Cas on ice, no food, like like this particular summer and I've watched the OJ trial and it's just a and trying to figure out what do I do next?

42:21 What do I do next? And then I read this script. My my dear friend and manager and basically my sister now Cynthia sends this over. She says, "You got to read this." I read the first seven pages. I call her up. I go, "Are you kidding me?" Like the cliche. The old cop wants out. The young cop comes in. He's looking at his trophies, his high school football trophies on the She goes, "Just finish it." Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

42:48 And then I go meet Finch and he's just been like he was just talking about films like I'd never heard anyone speak about film and and Yeah. What had he made already? Wow. Just Alien 3 and he had had a crap experience on that. Okay. And got fired off it three times. Oh wow. Wow. Oh my god. And I just got the Jones back and and finding that thing kind of Uh, it just reinvigorated what I wanted out of this thing. What what what's possible?

43:17 Can I argue there's a humility to that performance that I'm wondering is that was that new because you're coming off of California. Like I watch California and that's kind of the dream role I would want to play growing up. Like that's who I want to play. Hey Dale, put your titty back in your shirt. Hey Dale, put your titty back up. Back up again. Yeah. Like that's who I want to be. I want to drink the [ __ ] beer and be a badass and all that stuff. And so to go play, you're kind of a putt in seven.

43:43 Yeah. But it's that thing about, you know, when you it's that naive or even the hubris. Yeah. That you think you know the world. And that's what I liked about the Mills character. Um you know, you you think you grow up in this vacuum. You you see the world as your own backyard and you do not appreciate that there are people who think differently than you. Yeah. Have ulterior motives. um other beauties believe different beliefs and that was always I don't know that's always been a kind of a theme for me this idea of your own hubris um is the only time anytime I've ever gotten knocked down it's been because of hubris it's been because I think I know what going on I think I know the score yeah but you got to like you got to go in there and say lines like uh no he's [ __ ] dancing around his grandma's underpants or whatever the hell that Like there's no vanity in there.

44:39 Yeah. No, he thinks he understands there's good and there's bad. There's black and there's white and that's the world and bad guys got to go. It's that kind of stupidity. Was it already the situation where it's like a bazillion takes? Was that at all? Cuz I entered this with a lot of insecurity like I'm not sure I belong here and if that would have triggered for me like I suck that like tons of takes. I think that's a misperception of I mean I don't think it's completely fair.

45:03 Okay, for my friend David Fincher. I don't I really don't cuz I think he's brilliant and he knows what he wants. The only time I ever did that where I had that was on Fight Club and it was a big big um steady cam shot outside in the parking lot coming into the bar going down starting the fight club. Yeah, that one I remember that was like 40 takes but that's just so technical and so usually there's a technical aspect of it or if he needs to beat the acting out of the actor which is the Kubric way and that's the only time I've ever seen it flare up in that way. It never triggered your insecurities.

45:36 He is not shy to do it. No, in fact, I was more insecure the first three takes, four takes. I'm trying to find my way. Okay. So, I actually won a lot. I feel at that time I'd feel safer. Now, in like two takes, please. I got to get a half stitch together. Yeah. I didn't do the first one. Yeah. Take that and you can edit in. I guess it's true. If you're doing that many, you feel safe that one one has worked.

46:02 I did, but it was so important to me. It was really important. How much insecurity were you working with at that period? I've always Yeah. I've I always that first half of the career I think was Yeah. A lot of insecurities. Yeah. It's scary. Never and always in doubting. You know, you get in there, you get the ring in the ring and you have this amount of time and that that that's comproise that goes into cement and that's it. You're also It's not like you necessarily had some long period where you're working with okay actors. You're also pretty immediately working with some [ __ ] G like I don't know Legends of the Fall, you're you're you're with Anthony Hopkins right out of the gates.

46:35 Yeah, it was cool. Yeah. I I feel like my learning has really been on film. Yeah. It's also it came from just a love of movies and love of performance and wanting to make sure make sure I got it right. Make sure like there's this idea right and what you learn to understand is it's just being truthful and if it's truthful it's it's going to play. What's the first time you felt that? Oh, that's a good question, Monty.

46:59 It is a good question because it because Oh, man. I just know the best moments I started figuring out in the '9s were things I hadn't planned for. Mhm. They were being in the moment and then it flows. I'm not sure when I'm good and not. Like, there's times I thought I was great and I'm just okay. I think I suck and I'm kind of good. That's the early stuff. Yeah. [ __ ] rock that one. you look at it, you go, "Oh my god."

47:29 I do have some moments. I I one of the first one was in this um was in this like teen horror film. It's one of my very first jobs and uh for some reason I know I was thinking I was Sean Penn. I walk I run into high school. I see a dead teacher and I go no. You know, like like I don't even know this guy. You wish you had a fall on and slide down your street car moment.

47:57 Exactly. I'm afraid to ask you this one, but here we go. Have you ever heard this this Carrie Grant quote? Everyone wants to be Carrie Grant. Even I want to be Carrie Grant. Yeah. You've heard that? Yeah. Yeah. Do you relate to that at all? Uh maybe in the earlier years. I don't know. I don't even think much about perception anymore. Yeah. Um, but yeah, certainly people look at you this way and I don't feel that good and they're looking at me like this. Other people look at me like I'm an [ __ ] and I go, I feel a little better than that, though.

48:29 And yeah, you run into that. Um, but in the I don't know, I'm I'm I don't think that I don't think about perception much anymore. I believe in what I'm doing. I think I can I I understand my craft. Um, I feel like I elevate the jobs I'm in and I make sure I do and I put the work in. I work hard. Yeah. When were you able to drop that? I made a big switch. I remember going in the '9s going, you could plug any one of us into this role, this kind of movie, this leading man kind of thing. It's all going to be the same.

49:00 Mhm. So, that's boring. And then, and it's really about chasing an image. And and then somewhere I made a switch in the early as where I said I'm just going to I know the movies I've enjoyed such this far and why and I'm just going to take things that I really really I'm not taking anything because someone tells me I should or it's good or someone else going to get if I don't. I did a couple of those and always didn't work.

49:27 Yeah. and I just made this switch and and really I enjoy what I, you know, I I enjoy what I do now. And I'm going to admit that this is really Malcolm Gladwell's question cuz I admire him so much and we're pals and I called him. I was like, I'm interviewing Pit and I'm nervous and I want it to be great and I'm wondering if we have the same curiosity like what is your great curiosity about him? and he said, "I guess I'm most curious the gap between the public Brad Pitt and the real Brad Pitt if that gap has shrank or gotten broader." Wow.

50:08 And I thought that's a cool question and I guess I'm curious about that too. Yeah. You know, I I I don't break a lot of this down. That's a hard I don't know if I put it in either way because I go in and I go in hard. I work hard and then I always need to disappear and step out. I just need to refill. I'm not that guy that's really can be moving to movie out and about in the public and people and I always I've always um enjoyed my solitude. Not my loneliness, not those periods, but the solitude.

50:40 And that can even be with loved ones and friends or family, but the solitude. And I really need it. Like I'm getting ready to start now this big press gauntlet juggernaut for this film that deserves to go worldwide and I got to go do that and I I get up for it. Yeah. As I need to do. I don't feel like I'm very good at it. I've always been a little embarrassed that side of it, this side of it. And and I still have that that that feeling each time.

51:08 And it takes a lot I got to get myself up for it. And it takes a lot out of me. So then I need to step back and really disappear. And it's that's worked well for me. So, has it gotten bigger or smaller? Um, I think it's gotten smaller in my relationship with it. The gap's gotten smaller. Is the embarrassment because it it feels like there's some kind of lack of humility in that part of the job.

51:31 Yeah. You know, we we broke where we grew up and especially that era, you know, you're a you're a braggger if you talk about yourself. You are um you're conceited. your and I got accused of that I think a lot as a kid even just being quiet or get accused of being conceited or something and and I didn't I didn't understand that and and then there's just the I think the fear I'll always have just putting my foot in my mouth or stepping in a pile of [ __ ] and live with it. You know what I mean? I've never considered this my specialty. You know, I'd rather make things, whether that's a chair or a shirt or a movie, and let it speak for itself and move on and get to the next.

52:12 But, you know, we got to we got to support our it's this is a group sport and we got to support it. My arc, which is I'm embarrassed to even try to compare it to yours, but my arc was I wanted it so bad. It happened. It was so fun for a minute. Then I was at a uh what was the hamburger restaurant I love down in Austin. I was making idiocracy and I was and I was in Fuders and I was like, "Oh, that table of people staring at me. Oh, that that table's also staring at me."

52:42 And I remember calling leaving the restaurant, calling my girlfriend and like almost in tears going like I feel so um out of control. Like I feel like the whole I have no control over my environment anymore. And it felt very claustrophobic. Then then I then I hated it and then I came to accept it and then even more profound in therapy I few years back the dude really figured out or helped me figure it out. I feel very fraudulent receiving that attention. I don't feel worthy of that.

53:16 Yeah. Yeah. That's fair enough. But when you say worthy because the importance isn't there that that that it's looked at from afar like it's important in some way. And I have a I have a similar version of that. I mean, the way I was able to get my arms around it was um um I just remember the kid when I f when I saw my first celebrity I first saw I moved here in a week. I saw John Cusac at a perfect at a Fishbone concert. I embarrassed the person with me because I was like they were like shut she turned her back on me.

53:47 Yeah, this is not cool here. And uh yeah, that's not cool. But I just remember what it meant to me. I remember I met the Harlem Globe Trotters when I was a kid. I got pulled out on the court. No. Yeah. First metal arc and and and all of that. Remember with the bucket? Yeah. All of that. The curly and Yeah. But those the guys the the original. Yeah. Yeah. And um and what it meant to me. And so I when you when you look at it that way that you can brighten someone's day.

54:17 Yeah. you know, like their mundane day and it could be like a highlight in some way like those days were for me. That's how I found my way around it at least. Yeah. I was reading an interview with Owen Wilson years ago and I thought he summed it up the best. He goes, you know, it's kind of cool if you think about the fact that you can just make someone's day and I was like, well, that is a cool power.

54:39 It is. It is. Yeah. It's a lovely thing. It really is. But you you need to like accept it. It's like I I it's it's easy to get caught in fighting it. Yeah. Yeah. And you can ruin your life, I think, because too there's no uh you know there's no um guide book like tells you that part of it. I just I love movies. I didn't really understand fame. Yeah. That part of it and what you lose, what the trade-off is, but we got to talk about Punk cuz Punk was like Punk was pretty revolutionary.

55:08 Jackass and then into Pun. Yeah. That was pretty revolutionary at a time when we're coming off this time where we got to be tough guys. We don't show weakness to this turn of this punk rock kind of effect again, you know, approach like, no, no, no, not only that, we're going to we're going to embarrass ourselves the most we can. And there was a real freedom in that switch that happened. I don't think I can appreciate that, but but I put I rank Pun up there as as something kind of revolutionary. Really?

55:38 No, I mean this. I mean this. Thank you. Yeah, jackass as well. Those guys. Well, okay, great. So, that's one of my questions. Okay, great. Great. Thank you for the comment. Like you, I want nothing. Well, I got to speak for you. I want nothing but approval and then when I get it, I'm like, I don't I don't trust it. All I want is approval and yet I I can't think of someone who needs approval at all.

56:00 Do you? I think you do. It's It's I I wouldn't put it that way either. I I I know if I like the work I'm putting out there, um if I like the stories that it's going to speak to someone. Not going to speak to everyone, but I know it's going to speak to someone else, too. And I have I have total confidence and faith in in that. I have a comfort in that. Yeah. So, it's a different than approval when I think of what movies meant to me as a kid. Again, living in a kind of a Christian vacuum.

56:30 Um, that was, you know, you saw different ways to handle things and you saw different cultures and things around the world and you saw John Travolta swearing ass dad for messing up his hair and like, you know, I record on my hair that kind of [ __ ] and like it just I was just like enraptured with it. Yeah. And movies for me were was that kind of other teaching. You as Brad, do you need like we Dax and I need We're bottomless pits of approval.

57:01 Approval from, let's be really honest, like people who we think are high status. High status. It's the gross way of saying it, but my grossest quality people I admire. Exactly. Or that's fair. Yes. Yes. And by the way, I still feel like that kid in Missouri who's, you know, Oklahoma, Missouri, Ozarks, who's just like, you know, still like groping his way through this whole thing. So, still kind of can't believe you're here. No, I No, I take total responsibility for being here. Um, and uh it's But to me, it's just another craft.

57:36 Yeah. It's just a like anyone who works hard at what they do and and um and has confidence in what they do. Now, Jackass. Yeah. The person I admire the most is Will Frell. Yeah. Will I'm at a basketball game. I will not miss a Will Ferrell movie. More what I love is his like um his art installations as a human. So, I'm at a Lakers game one time and I'm with Chris and I go, "That security guard looks like Will Frell." You know, the Lakers, the guys with the red jackets.

58:06 My god, it really looks like Will Frell. I'm like, "That's Will Frell." Well, Fre's sitting there as a security guard next to the other security guard. Oh my god. I interviewed him. I'm like, "What was I saw you at the lake?" He goes, "Oh, I have this bit with Adam where on our birthdays we give each other outfits and then you have to go use the outfit wherever." And so Adam gave him the full security and he smuggled it into the staple center and he went into the bathroom and put the outfit on, you know, and I'm like I just admire so much. I'm almost like mad at myself. I haven't thought of that. But I love the sabotage of it and the good fun like the the underground fun. You got to you got to have with this thing. We'll do that with interviews and like or you going down press lines, you know, you got to say remember like on the on oceans like like go over to Matt and you got there's like 50 of them we got to go. You have to use God willing in every single interview or give him some word or something.

58:59 Yeah. But what I've I've I've really liked this about you is like I'm watching Jackass one time which I loved and all of a sudden you're on the show and they kidnap you. Celebrity kidnapping. Yes. It was great. What? And I'm like, "Oh, God bless him. He He likes Jackass and he had to Did you reach out to them?" I'm not sure how it happened. I knew Spike through Fincher. Okay. And they were shooting um Bing John Malkovich right next to us when we while we were shooting. We'd visit the 17th and a half floor, whatever it was, you know, duck like this.

59:35 And uh I don't know how it happened. I knew Spike from that. I love Jackass. I loved what they were doing. And uh again, I thought it was revolutionary. And I think I maybe with Spike I said, "You ever need I'm in." And then they called up. Yeah. Knoxville called up. And how did you end up on Dave? There's another thing I'm watching Dave, you're on. And I go, "Oh my god." And then I And then again, I I reverse engineer. I go like, "Brad loves Dave.

60:00 What? How rad. He loves I love Dave. It's so good." I tell you, my favorite humor is the most irreverent humor. Maybe because I'm like so worried stepping [ __ ] People who say the wrong thing or do like like I will do this at times say things that are so like wrong. Yeah. And it just makes me laugh. It makes me laugh. And when people people do that anyway, I just find it the funniest just and so I thought his show I don't maybe he got word that I really liked his show and he wrote me said, "Hey, you want to do something?" And I just said, "I'm trying, but I can't find a reason not to." So, I guess I have to.

60:38 Oh, that's great answer. That's good karma. Yeah, I agree. It's good karma to go participate in the things you love in my Genius Show. Yeah, he's incredible. That shows I mean what what wit. And I so admire that wit because I don't feel like I necessarily have that. Not that really quick. [Music] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare. [Music] Isn't it funny who people like admire?

61:11 Like I was watching the you and uh and Adam Sandler, you did the actor on actor thing. Oh, right. And I was like, "Yeah, drama dudes love comedians. Comedians love drama dudes. I love comedians. I love comedians. Love musicians." Yeah. God, we all just want to be the thing we're not. It's wild. How could you not? Um, okay. So, I saw Once Upon a Time when it came out. I liked it a lot. Then 5 years went by and I'm on a plane a year and a half ago and it's there. So, I start watching it and then I'm like, "This movie is way better than I remember." And then I we get off the plane and now I got to finish it. So now I'm in a hotel room watching on my iPad. Then I'm like, I got to watch it in my theater. I come home, I got to watch I watch it in the theater. Then I'm like, I got to watch it with my friend Nate in the theater. He's got to rewatch it again. And I've watched it now sincerely probably eight times in the last 18 months. That movie, I'm so obsessed with that movie. I It's I think it's second best to only Pulp Fiction.

62:08 Huh. It's so good. And I was started thinking the one bummer about being in a Tarantino movie is do you rob yourself of the experience of getting to watch the Tarantino movie? There's It makes up for There's no bummer about being in a Tarantino movie. Okay. That dialogue is just like like come on. Yeah. I encourage you to watch it eight times in the next 18 months. That will never happen. If you need to watch it with me in my theater, you're invited.

62:38 Watching your own [ __ ] Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Could rob you of the experience. Can we talk about Leonardo in it for one second? Come on. He's great. Okay. In my obsession with this movie and the more and more I watch it, the more and more I'm blown away with his performance. Me, too. I haven't watched it eight times, but he's playing like six layers. It's like he's got to go in. He's an actor.

63:00 Yeah. He's not as good as Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor. Yeah. But he's got to have the scene of his life. Yeah. But it can't be as good as a Leonardo DiCaprio scene. Yeah. H like J. I don't think people understand the math of what he's doing in that [ __ ] movie. No, it's always that's the thing that's least understood is the degree of difficulty and even we'll get credit for a great director or great writing but perfect song choice.

63:24 Yes, absolutely. Great editing. Yeah, I mean we need all these, you know, recruitments to help us out, but no, he was doing multiple layers in there and that star tantrum cracks me up. That's it, buddy. I'm a hasben. That's it, buddy. my husband. He's crying as he leaves the place. Um, I'm not going to ask you to rank your co-stars, but just where does he fall in that? What do you do? Do Do you love acting with him?

63:50 Yeah. Yeah, he works hard, too. He works really, really hard. I mean, you I watch someone like him or Margot works so hard. I I can go through phases where I'm getting a little bit little approaching it little easy. I'm wondering if maybe I don't have the fire anymore. maybe not offering. Then I find something else or I see performances like that and then I go, "Oo, got to up my game." That's it. Got to my game. I want to be like that.

64:16 Yeah. Look at all the cast in that that that Quinton um I mean these were all upandcomers, new kids. Think about you got Austin Butler, Margaret Qualy, Sydney Sweeney. I know. Uh Mikey Matson, Ethan Hawk's daughter. Like it's like pretty incredible now. They're all doing their own things. And it is. That was part of my joy of going back and watching it over and over again. I was like, "Oh, all I know all these people now."

64:42 Yeah. That's really fun to see. Yeah. That's part of his genius is being able to scout talent and then help them blow up. Your resume is annoying because we're not going to get to talk about any of like is one of my favorites of all time. Money. I came into this show talked about Moneyball for like 3 months straight. We just had Michael Lewis on. Oh, really? What a [ __ ] dude. What a what a brain, huh?

65:05 Oh my god, he's so charismatic and charming. I'm like, [ __ ] dude. This guy's eloquent. Yes. Genius, but chill like that. I would want him to, you know, like me. Me, too. Approval. I wanted him desperately. Okay. The only thing I want to ask about once upon a time and then we'll move on is um I was getting Duffy vibes. Is he at all in the mix? And we we owe Duffy an explanation of who he is.

65:29 That's funny. That's really funny. I thought I was watching Duffy. I see my dad. You see your dad? Yeah. But I understand what the Yeah, Duffy's got some of my dad in him. But I That's That's not a That's not a bad call. Our mutual friend Duffy Y was a Navy Seal. Yep. He's the toughest human being on planet Earth. Yep. Solid. Rock solid. Rock solid. He's gorgeous. Okay. If you can't see that, you need [ __ ] glass.

65:55 He's the only 60-y old man I see like 30year-olds [ __ ] buying and drinks and [ __ ] There's one scene I always love to point people out to is GI Jane. He's a trainer. Thank you. He's a trainer. He's He was How long has he been? I met him on Troy. You met him on Troy? Yeah. Okay. So, I trained him on Troy and a few of them probably the next decade. In GI Jane, they needed real Navy Seals in the movie. And he's in the movie. Is that right? Well, oh, I got back.

66:22 Please watch it because there's one moment where they need someone to do the ultimate Navy Seal thing, which is they're in a Zodiac boat and they're flying. Someone's got to hang out of the side of the Zodiac with a [ __ ] inner tube and the guy in the water grabs it and then Duffy rips the human being out of the water. The lats are like that wide. Yeah, that's him. And you're like, how'd that dude just rip a guy out of the water on a Zodiac 25 miles an hour? Those guys, Navy Seals, Rangers, Delta Force, I mean, their baseline is discomfort is where we would tap out.

66:54 Yeah. That's where they begin. So, if that character is your dad, you said they're either your dad or you're rebelling against your dad. What are the characters that are not your like that you are actively rebelling against? Really? My upbringing. When I say my dad, probably my upbringing like Fight Club and things in, you know, in that that are more irreverent. Uhhuh. Yeah. Maybe even being flashy in Oceans. Being flashy. You're very flashy. You're similar. Yeah. Yeah. You're embracing the Flash.

67:23 Well, I think I feel like we lost her way after the first one or at least my my guy cuz he was kind of the the the Deval Castigliary kind of guy to to George's Danny. And I I'd like that much more. And then they kind of, you know, like when you watch um um like CSI or something and every they're trying to give a speech, but they got to give each actor one line. So they're just like they just pick up in each line and just equal distribution of everyone delivery. Yes. And I I think we kind of we kind of Yeah. went that way.

67:54 One last question then F1. Uh you've worked in four different decades now. 90s, 2000s, 2000s 10 to 20. Now you're now in your fourth decade. Yeah. Do you have a favorite of those decades of working? No. No. No. Then I don't have a follow-up question. Oh, okay. Is there a sweet spot you get nostalgic about? It's more like periods. So, certainly seven and then going into then then losing my way a bit with choices and then landing back with Fight Club and Snatch.

68:27 Snatch. This area felt good. How did you learn that accent? Get a kid. Can you still talk like a panic? Uh, I don't know. Uh, uh, she's terribly partial to the periwinkle blue boy. Something like that. Periwinkle blue vice. Oh my god. I don't know. Terribly partial. Something. I don't know. Take a bit. Be so scared to take that. Let me take a bit. I was too. I'm sure. Yeah. Okay. So, motorsports. We talked about how why you're into motorsports. Oh, wait. Before we started, I brought you a I brought you a gift. Oh, you did? I brought you a Apex GP souvenir.

69:03 I cannot wait. I didn't bring you one. That's okay. You're going to understand why. I don't even know what like 100 bucks or something. Oh my gosh. This is exciting. An unboxing. I wasn't anticipating. Yeah. Looks bag and all. Oh, I'm on this team. Okay. Look at the front. Yeah. First of all, you don't know this about me. Black and gold's my scheme. Jam. Bam. It is. Maybe I did know. So, we got a blast. These were This is day one. This is the pit crew shirts and we have real crew, you know, proper proper car guys. And uh they bring the shirts out all for the guys. It's day one. We're in Silverstone. We're shooting. The crowd's there. It's race weekend.

69:46 And uh they start getting [ __ ] from the other teams cuz look what's on the back. The action factory. Action factory. But they put it on [ __ ] stamp. Oh, that's a [ __ ] stamp. And they we started getting so much [ __ ] from the real guys. I mean, from the other crews. We were between Mercedes and Ferrari. And they're laughing their ass off at our team. That is fantastic. So, they switch out all the shirts.

70:10 Change them. But I Oh, yeah. Changed all the shirts, but I say someone went, "Can you get one from wardrobe?" Oh my god, Dax. That's so special. It's very special. You got the [ __ ] stamp one. Maybe by the end of um knowing you, I'll have a full wardrobe of clothes you've given me. Two items. I'm gonna work on waist down now. Okay. So, I had it wrong and I've I've wrongly taken a little bit of credit for this. Um again, I'm I'm an approval junkie, but my telling of it is I text you at one point and I said, "Are you watching Drive to Survive? If not, text me when you've finished it. I bet it'll be in 18 hours." Something along those lines.

70:48 Yes. Yes, I remember this. And you you did you texted me like 18 hours later and you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] I watched them all." Probably nine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you fell in love with it like I did from that, right? Well, I've been watching a little because, you know, Moto GP races, there just not enough of them. No, there there's not. So, then you start dipping into F1 a little bit. Yeah. Now there's not enough F1 races. So, I started dipping into Indie. You watching Indie?

71:13 No, I Oh, I love it. I've even I've even as a tourist, I've stepped into NASCAR a little bit. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. I've done a little dabbling in NASCAR, too. I really recommend the Night Race at Bristol. Wow. That's a vibe. Wow. Yeah. That's like oldfashioned. You feel like Oh, yeah. There's bootleggers out here, right? Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Just real quick, Valentino Rosie. Oh, come on. We still miss him. Number we miss him. Number one god. Don't you?

71:42 I don't even want to talk about it. I miss him so much. No, we love I had to say the number one god on planet Earth. I think it's Valentino Ross. Yeah, it's Valentino Ross. He's so [ __ ] charming. Yeah. Have you ever seen that thing with Lewis and Valentino? Oh, I've been told. I keep meaning to go look it up. So, Lewis gets on his bike. Mhm. And Valley gets in his car. That's right. And they go out on the track and they've both put down times.

72:04 Yeah. And Val's [ __ ] fast. I'm sure he is. And Louis is awesome on the bike. Yeah, he's going to be. Yeah, he's [ __ ] great on the bike. Yeah, he's going to be. Yeah. You see him? There's some video he's put out where he went to a gun range. No. Oh my god. He's just like boom boom. Yeah. I guess he's a great surfer. He's [ __ ] He can do everything and Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you you kind of fall extra in love with it though through Drive to Survive, I'm imagining.

72:33 Yeah. I mean, I dip I've been dipping in I I guess a little in the you know, in the shoe market period. I wasn't in like the religion that it is now. I think the show really I think it did a lot especially for America bringing in new fans but it I mean people have their driver and it's like their whole life the success or or the struggle of this driver is emblematic of their life and it's it is the emotional roller coaster we've been on by being really good friends with Ricardo is almost too much for us.

73:04 It is too much. It's heartbreaking. We love him so much. I know there's a uh another generation, second generation of his like where he's going to go in the sport doing something. Absolutely. You know, like the gods are with you. The gods are you know, everyone has their own path and it's in the confidence that like how tenuous your grasp on the confidence is. Yeah. Even Lewis talks about that, you know, his win last year in Silverstone in a inferior car.

73:32 Yeah. Like he talked about even he was having doubts. Do you still have it? Can you still be there? And we're talking about I know fractions of a second. I know. Literally such a mind sometimes one or two hundreds of a second for pole. The the idea that 20 guys can go around four mile track, three and a half mile track and be within a second of each other. It's crazy. And the guys on the back end are are are considered slow.

73:59 Yeah. Yes. Like a um So you don't initiate this. You get approached. I get a call from Joe. Yeah. Okay. The director Joe Kazinski. He's got this idea to do what he what the technology that he this mapping technology that he discovered on on Top Gun Maverick mapping in the planes. Mhm. Um that he's he has this idea he can do this with the cars, you know, on the track, Formula 1 cars. So very wisely he said we're outsiders.

74:31 I'm gonna need, you know, I I gotta have the tap on the shoulder from someone on the inside. And he goes to seventime world champion Lewis Hamilton. Let's go with the greatest driver. Yeah. And you got to understand, I've been trying to get a racing movie made for 20 years. I mean, in cars, in different classes, and bikes, uh, man even. But, and for whatever reason, it just never came to fruition. They're kind of high risk. They're hard to do really well.

74:58 They are hard to do really well. In fact, that was when we talk about this one, the most difficult thing of it was threading this needle between a faction of fans that again that revered this sport as the greatest thing on this earth and people who don't understand how the sport works but is going to enjoy the movie. So this thing that we're constantly trying to negotiate like Moneyball the analytics of it all we only use the surface analytics of you know like the easy things that we could understand of you know don't steal you know go for walks and those guys that the analytic analytics that they were doing were I mean like so much deeper so much more complex.

75:42 Yeah. Yeah. So, how to tell the story that's going to that's going to keep everyone it's not going to piss off the fans and you're not dumbing down for the fans, but it's not going to be over the head of a tiny needle to thread. Took us two years. I mean, really three developing the script. Wow. Yeah. From nothing. And I think Lewis was an incredibly smart move because here's the unbelievable triumph of the movie is I think it's closest comp and I say this in the best way cuz I [ __ ] love the movie is Days of Thunder. First of all I write him what' you think and he goes it's titties. Oh I said [ __ ] titties. So titties I guess that's a good I mean we all like titties the best. But then he said it wasn't a butt but but Kristen loved it. I said more importantly. Oh, more importantly. Okay. More importantly, that's like, you know, after a screening where you were like, you couldn't quite like get it and you go, "Man, the music was awesome."

76:39 Yeah. You got to say something. You know, when you're in one of those screens and you're literally going like, "God, I got to pick something. I got to pick something." But I can say believably. Oh, no. Yeah. Boy, that shot with the crane was was incredible. That must have been really hard. How many feet was that crane? 100. Diversion. Diversion. No. [ __ ] titties is my ultimate compliment. All right, great. Cuz cities are the best thing in the world.

77:02 They kind They kind of are. Yeah, they kind of are. They've been around for 10,000 years. Men and women would agree. But the the genius of having I think Lewis is um it's really hard to make a movie about F1 that is that could exist actually within the world of F1. I think that's a really tall order. Dude, this is unprecedented. Unprecedented. Yes. The fact that they're involved is like crazy. That's a coup that we're infused into the racing season. What I don't know what other sport you could really do that with. I think having Lewis there is all of the mechanisms and devices that were driving the plot could really happen and they're so intricate and they are true to Formula 1. We all know the reality of it. As you say, it's it's by a tenth of a second. If you're not on the right team, that's that.

77:52 There's so many things that are anothetical to a great movie. There's you can't have a magic device in this. It has to all be real. And there's so many clever things you do, your character does that are totally believable that are so fun and they're very days of thundery. We're last place team. So the idea of you got to play with what you got. So how do you win with what you got? Which is a money ball.

78:16 Yeah. There's good teams, there's bad teams, and there's 50 ft of crap. Then there's us. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the gap in real in real life is you have Mercedes and Red Bull spending $500 million a year. Yeah. And then you have name the team Hos doing it on 100 million. That's really significant. So, how on earth are we going to build any stakes where anything can really happen in reality and and it all really works? When I'm saying days of Thunder, the reason that I think that's a compliment is that took something that not everyone was into and it made it so widely appealing. Fair enough. Everyone loved Days of Thunder. You did not have to be into cars.

78:53 Like Kristen came with me cuz she had to. I'm like, "Come on, we're going to go see this movie." And it ended and she's like, "Fuck, that's one of the best [ __ ] action movies I've ever seen. That's incredible." And I was like, "What? That's Days of Think as [ __ ] I think this Yeah. is fun as shit." Did I wasn't able to go where? But you did get an invite. She got an invite. I did get an invite. She didn't cut you out.

79:15 No, no, no, no. I I get myself in places. It almost made me question who Monica was because uh she was going to ride with us and she goes, "I'm not coming." And I was like, "What has happened?" I have a show. Look, I have an operation to run here and I had to do it. You had to edit. And the Dax made a good point. Sometimes it's good for me not to have seen the movie in case things get very esoteric.

79:37 I also edit the show so if I'm like, "No one's going to understand anything." I wondered if this was going to be an hour and a half just talking about wheels. Oh, it was the danger of us sitting down here. I know. That's why I'm You did really well to hold it off, by the way. Thank you. I have a lot of practice. Anytime someone arrives in a cool car, she's like, "We're fucked." He can read my face where I'm like, "Ready ready to move on from this part."

80:01 Really specific look that says you're in the weeds on this and no one gives a [ __ ] but you and the guest. But the driving is a huge part of this. I can't imagine you want to do this movie unless you're going to drive. I'm so grateful the others didn't work out that I got that came along with this one with this opportunity that we got. They put us in the cars. They put us in the [ __ ] cars. Yes.

80:22 Like during the race? During the race weekends. Okay. That was my first shot though. It was the race weekend. I mean, it was the whole crew's first shot. So, it's race weekend. You're driving. It's race weekend and the first thing we're going to do is put us out on it was quality day and it is such a military precision, you know, designed machine that whole day to the second. So, we're going to get 15 minutes to go out in front of the crowd of how many 100,000 people are at Silverstone.

80:50 Silverstone's Wimbledon to put it in perspective. It's a cathedral. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is the UK track. And F1's British. That's their track. Yeah. It's the start of the beginning of the official F1 in the '50s was came started on this track. Oh, cool. And it's hallowed. Yeah. And they put me they strapped me in the car a half hour early. I'm sweating my balls off. It's really hot. And you know they screw in the horse collar and you're really think you're sitting Hans helmet.

81:15 It's really sensory deprivation at that point because you have you have earphones and you got the fire retardant gear underneath. Then you got your suit and you got the helmet and you're in like this and you're sitting in a like a bathtub like you would in a bathtub that's too short to stretch out and they they screw in the horse collar right here and you have this kind of gap and you're there and you can only turn your head about this far with the lens on and they put us in a half hour early just because we couldn't miss our window. We had to prove ourselves like if this weekend went bad if it went tits up Yeah.

81:45 this movie isn't happening. See how come tits up is used in a bad that's it's used in a bad on your back. On your back. Okay. Let's say let's say if we [ __ ] it up. Yeah, I like that better. Okay. We [ __ ] it up and uh if it goes pear-shaped as we say over there. So, we go out and I had practice. I know. Uh it's a whole another thing, you know, to have all these fans there and you know, I'm I'm not going to be hitting the speeds that those guys are hitting. You see them go around cops flat out. Dude, it is so breathtaking. It is.

82:18 Wow. I I stood at the base of O Rouge. This is the a story track in Belgium. Okay. Spa. It's It's probably for me it was the greatest track we got to drive. But I stood at the bass with my back at the bottom and they go up this blind S up. Lewis talks about how you get the G's are first it compacts your spine into the ground. Then you get up to the top it's blind. You lift up you have this.

82:44 He said it's the only track where you have down and upward G's. Anyway, it's amazing. But these car, you stand right next to the wall like this. The cars are right here. They go, they're flat out. It takes the air out of your lung. Out of your lungs. It is so staggering. It is so awesome. Yeah, it is. It's like It kind of warps. It warps space and time. It does. Yeah, it feels like if you could if we could Yeah, if we could Chris Nol in that moment.

83:12 Yeah. Okay. So, it's race weekend. So the first thing I had practiced in my mind go, you know, driving the track. This is stressful. I can't I don't want to spin out because if we spin out, we we we go off the track and I'd taken a few adventures, misadventures. So I don't want to lose the car and it's the fan. So I'd practice in my mind people in the stands and just hitting my breaking points, you know, just it just just I I just practice practice practice practice. And so when we got there and I just told myself the last minute, just have fun. Just have fun. And it was such a joy.

83:49 Was it? Yeah. But I'm, you know, I'm going to break 10 yards earlier just to make sure. I'm not going to get on it hard coming out because again, this is our first attempt. Yeah. And then the next day we're shooting with on on the grid national anthem. We're off to the side. Wow. The main feed cuts us out. You just see the drivers, but it's me, Damson, Max, and Wow. You know, uh, who was it? It was Czecho, and then and then I thinklair, and anyway, you know, and I'm almost embarrassed because I have such reverence for these guys, the sport and here's this jackass a like he knows what he's doing.

84:28 Yeah. So, I just had to swallow that. I'm like, we got to do it. And there's this real energy because we have 10 minutes to get back to our cars and then um have a little scene there with Javier Bardm and Tobias and uh and then we got to get in the car now from there. So we do that two takes. We get off the grid and they're lining up for the start of the race for the warm-up lap. Yeah. And then our cars are one's going to go and it's already it's already choreographed where he's going to peel off.

85:00 Uhhuh. And we had two great drivers with us who just we couldn't have done it without him. Lucha Bachetta, he had won. He was F2 champion. And then Craig Dolby. And so they're they're in the cars. We're not doing this part. And one of our cars does not start. The one that's supposed to take off. But they had already had plans for that. If it didn't, guys came running out. They push it off the track. Our car and everything went and so then we were in and running. But then we went on strike the next day. I was going to say, yeah, you you have this triumphant, [ __ ] this movie is going to work.

85:33 Oh, no. We got it. We're in. And then we went on strike on the Monday. [ __ ] It was such a It was such a Let it was just like bumping into walls. It was just like it was such a high. And you had to do a unique thing on this, which is, you know, for a movie has the movie has to be insured. If something goes wrong, there's so much money on the line that someone's got to insure that.

85:55 Yeah. And they've never insured a movie and let the actors drive 180 miles an hour. No, this was Steve McQueen's problem filming Lemon at the at the last week. He was supposed to drive in the race and insurance stepped in at the last said uh we lose you. There's no movie, right? Yeah. Our movie was predicated on us. Wow. They being on the track and driving. Did you personally have to explain to them like what these cars don't work till 180?

86:22 This is a really good point. has happened because we're hitting speeds. You know, we're still we're running with like 100 kg of extra weight because we got camera gear. We got a block camera here. I got a camera here where I can't see brake points, turning points or on here and one over here. Um sometimes they build a big camera up here which would diffuse all your your downforce on the back rear. So you'd be sliding out. I mean, we we had other challenges that and we don't have power steering because we're on an F2 that's been chopped and stretched and arrowed. We're in Abu Dhabi and we've been getting away with a lot and insurance got hipped to it and they came to and they said speed limit 140. You cannot go above 140.

87:05 And it actually in these cars it becomes more dangerous. That's so counterintuitive, but yeah, it's way more dangerous. You don't have heat in the tires. You don't have heat in the brakes and they actually become like undrivable, unstoppable and you don't have down, you're not creating the downforce. No, you don't get the downforce. You don't get the turn. You don't And uh it it literally like we this thing would go off and I would just ignore it and we would go and the guys, especially Luch and and Craig, put together a case for the insurance to show them this is actually more dangerous. It is actually safer to go at 180 and brakes and get the heat in as we need than to then keep us down at 140. So it took it took like three or four weeks of negotiations, but then we got there. I watch F1 and I am deeply humbled by I know that you have to believe this car is creating so much downforce that yes, you can turn right at Silverstone in seventh gear going 190 mph and that's a leap of faith.

88:04 It's shocking. Yeah. So, what was your curve? The first The first time I got in, I just could not believe you could take corners at these speeds and the car would stick. Every impulse is to get off the the gas. But you do that to stabilize and they actually will you'll go wide. Then you'll go off the track. So, you actually need to stay on it. They say if you're not on the gas or you're not on the brake, you're not driving the car and you're you're upsetting the car.

88:33 Um, so it was that I just kept saying, "Trust the car. Trust the car." I like had this mantra going in my head. This is like week one. Trust the car. Trust the car. And then the braking capabilities are shocking. Now what they do, that they kind of defies physics. Yeah. They call it an upside down airplane, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. When you're driving it, are you you don't have like You're not in character. You can't be in character, right? Cuz you have to be so focused on what you're doing. I mean, you are, but how are we do the scenes, but we're also in a helmet like this. So, okay.

89:06 You [ __ ] up the lines, you know. Yeah. So, how are you doing that? And we're getting to drive because and we can actually use our, you know, our side view mirrors and we we're driving. So, that leads to the authenticity of it all. But you asked about downforce. Yes. And I don't know. I can't I don't know how to explain it. Yeah. It is the greatest feeling. It's the greatest feeling I have. It's you want to go roller coaster but no that's not it because you feel the fulcrum under you in a in a roller coaster as you as on corners this thing you are I was in an arerobatic plane once and guy took me for a ride you know all of that and that be the close that'd be the closest thing I think wow it is a feeling it is a high I've never experienced before anywhere else and I can't I just can't wait to to do it some more yeah what's so great is like these cameras are [ __ ] mounted on the car in such a way and um Joe can control them and we're seeing you and you're kind of you're almost blueprinted to think, "Oh yeah, he's on a green screen and we're watching him like this and then it's just a fluid [ __ ] pan and oh no, we're going 180 and there's the other cars and it's it's so intense and novel. It's like it's really a technological kind of accomplishment."

90:20 Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, it's so impressive. It's really visceral. Yeah, it's interesting to to hear that it was tech first almost like that was what this whole thing. Wow. Tell me about your first the first time you go out to a track. I think you're at a Porsche training center and there's a GT3 and you get to go out for a bit and Lewis is there and then he takes you for a ride. This is after the controversial 21 finish.

90:46 Right. Right. Where you where this is our only this is the only time I felt some um stress between you and I. Yeah. like I've been undeniably so damn good. Undeniably. Especially this year in a [ __ ] car. Oh my god. Oh my god. Like he's he's he's incredible. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I I've been in a few arguments over that one. Yeah. But uh so this is the first time he's been in on a track since that that controversial end where he loses the title.

91:17 Yes. and he uh like I just feel like an idiot like he's getting in the car with me like so I'm not even gonna even try to push I know lines from being you know from the being on the bike and on the track and understand trail braing and when to get back on the fuel the throttle and all that and and so that felt good but I was just oh I was feeling like oh I just feel like yeah not even but then I got in with him and it's this this bit on the track where it's just a straight way and then it's at this what do they call it the carousel and it's just one of these banked things like this and it's walled.

91:52 Yeah. And the guy says uh he says take it easy going out for he's telling Lewis he's giving Louis instructions. Take it easy. There's a bump. It can it can really unsettle you. And oh godam just takes off. We hit the bump here. We're going going. We hit this corkcrew. He comes sliding up around and and the and the back end kicks out and I am right here and we're now we're in the gravel and it inches from a wall and he comes out and he's just laughing his ass off. He loves it. He's laughing. These guys have such control of this this car. It's at the max, too. They're at the very max and they have control.

92:25 You know, he came in to see uh we're about we're getting close to the final cut. And came in to see and he is so detailed. He would he would come in and go, "No, no, no. That's the wrong gear. You're you're turned 11. You need to be in fifth." Interesting. By sound. Yes. By sound. Yes. Cuz we're in an F2 car, so we got to redo the sound for it to sound an F1. Sound like an F1 car.

92:52 Do you understand? You would go uh Yeah. Down the straight there's this reverb that comes off the left wall. You need to add that in. I mean, wow. Yeah. What knowledge? What knowledge? Have you ever seen these videos where they they just put headphones on the drivers and they play the uh audio from the car and these guys within about 30 seconds will go spa. Have you seen them do that? No. No. There's many videos of them doing this.

93:19 They can tell just from the audio. Oh, it was third gear, then fourth, then third real quick. Oh, this is They'll name the track. Wow. Did you get to do all the tracks? No. No. We We drove Spa. We drove Kota. We drove Vegas. That was weird and sketchy and wet and cold and slippery. Just sketchy. Just [ __ ] sketchy. And we got no rehearsal on it. Oh, no. None. And we just had to go out and we had our 1 15minute window. 10, I think, even. Sketchy.

93:48 Yeah. Sketchy. Slippery, right? Oh, and not only that, there are points in it where you're breaking on a on a on a curb coming into which is not it's just odd technical. I went uh on a on a Wait, wait, wait. I want to brag some more. Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi. Oh, yes. Cuz this is where the GQ guy was at. Silverstone. What about Abu Dhabi? Cuz you're it's night, right? You got to Amazing. Goes from, you know, day, dusk, night.

94:16 Yeah. Wow. I'm so [ __ ] jealous. Yeah. The fact that for your job you have to go drive all these tracks. You You should be You should be You hate me. No, this one I will I will I will rub in. Do you have a hard time I mean I can see how lit up you are about this. This is so fun to see like both of you. I'm hard as a rock for the listener.

94:35 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know over here we we have so many actors in here and they're artsy for the most part. You know that's why that's why they got into it. Do you do you sometimes feel like an outsider amongst all these like artsy actors? Because you're you're their peers, but you're also this guy. Am I not artsy? You're you are artsy. Right after I went right into a a man and a dog survival story out in the wilderness of New Zealand.

95:06 Okay. So, I'm trying to mix it up. We're doing both. I'm trying to mix it up a bit. But this conversation, this part of the conversation is the happiest you've been in the whole conversation. Let's be real. No doubt. And we could go on for another few hours, you know. We'll wrap this thing up and we'll still be at it. I know you will. Um, I I want to add some There's so many rad things about the movie. The fact that all the real teams are there is like such a f Is that insane?

95:30 Yeah. I mean, I don't want to give any I mean, but like you're in shots with Charleslair. You're in shot. You like we could not do it without them. And we had to go into the driver's meeting and make our case. And of course, they're going to be suspect of us. What are we going to do? How Hollywood is it going to be? Who are you going to make the bad guys? Like oh yeah like Ferrari or Red Bull like you going to cuz cuz you have Lewis are you going to make us the you know like there was just like didn't know what this thing was going to be and little by little we made our pitch and I think they understood how much our respect and told him like hey you know we're going to be here in the race weekends wherever you're away tell us to [ __ ] off.

96:07 I have no problem [ __ ] off. We know how to do that. Quite good at [ __ ] off. You know what I mean? and uh and we'll go and the you know that first that first certainly weekend you know I felt like a like a tourist who had no right to be there by the end of it I mean we'd been so integrated into the old uh ecosystem of it all. Yeah. I was it was just having laughs with the guys. You'd pass them. You'd see and and and we could not have done it without their participation without the teams.

96:39 Toto's in it. Fred's in it. Like all the team bosses are in it. I mean this production value you couldn't I mean there were $30 million cars and their entire teams for the whole pit lane for and they gave us an hour. They pulled out their cars. They all came in worked on it. I mean it was unbelievable. The whole F1 Stephano and his team. I mean we just like it was I think once they we proved ourselves they were pumped up to some of these dudes.

97:09 They're pumped. accommodating and they're all in it. They're all in it. Yeah. The the only there's only a single completely unbelievable part of the whole movie. And it's when Toto offers the kid a ride on Mercedes and he says, "No thanks." I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] everyone wants to drive a Mercedes." Had to get Toto in. We love Toto. We had so much fun. I've never encouraged you to watch anything that I've done, but I did like I text you like, "You got to watch Toto on the He's so playful." So playful.

97:39 Yeah, he's charming. He's really charming. I didn't watch it, by the way. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I'll get there. You're smart. You know, not you know I'm an approval chunky, so you withhold enough to keep me on the hook. We used to get through eight viewings of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The only thing we've done a bad job at is the premise of the movie, which is fantastic. We meet you and you are driving in an endurance race. You're one of the drivers and the other drivers Daytona.

98:02 Daytona 24 hours of Daytona in a Porsche GT3. and you come out and you [ __ ] you've gotten the lead before, then the other drivers lose the lead. You come up, you get them back in the lead, you get out of the car and you're like, "Don't [ __ ] lose this lead." So, oh, this is great. This guy's like a [ __ ] has been, but he's a genius. Like, he's still incredible. Yeah. It's very Yeah. So, you you are this dude who's like, we don't know.

98:27 You're you're obviously an insanely good driver, but you're kind of a [ __ ] renegade and a vagabond, and then you get approached by Javar Bardam. Yeah. Who's the great Javier Bard? Oh my god. One. Can that man wear a suit? Dear Lord. All right. He might be my He'll be my number two. Okay. That's a good pick. Yeah. He's so good and such a beautiful guy and he Penelope his whole family just so they're just beautiful people and so good. You know when you watch a movie you know this one scene makes the cut or you know some kind of amalgamation of one scene makes the cut.

99:03 Yeah. But this guy, I mean, take after take just doing different things and does something and any one of them you could you could throw up there. Oh, and it was so fun to watch. That's the other side of, you know, being behind the the making. These Spaniards too, they have like an art of living like were you attracted to his like whole thing? I think Europeans more certainly more than Americans. Certainly they carve out more time for enjoyment of life than than we do.

99:29 Yeah. They know how to get into that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. So, he approaches you. He He is the owner of this terrible team in F1 and he's in this situation where he has to win a single race or he's going to lose control of the team. Yeah. And he's got this incredible rookie driver. Yeah. Damson is is a rookie and he's got crazy potential but he's, you know, he's just got to get reeled in a bit.

99:53 This is great. This is Bull Durham. Yep. Yep. Bull Durham is probably the closest connection. Yeah. where two guys have to work together or who are at odds through the whole movie. Yes. And that's the fun we have. Yeah. It's a great great relationship. He's a gem, man. He's Is he He cracks me up. Snowfall. That's where he's from. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's cocky. Yeah. Yeah. I like cocky. Yeah. Not only that, he enjoys this whole like this whole parade like in a way I never knew how. Really?

100:21 Yeah. He's really He's really um I I admire that about him, but he's also, you know, on the on the court. He's in on the joke. He doesn't mind being the brunt. He'll like or or he'll give it back, you know. He's he's he's um he's really wellrounded. Well, okay. It's spectacular. You guys did it. You made the probably the most realistic racing movie that's ever been made. You're [ __ ] radical. Okay. I'm going to end on this. You said, "No, I met you before the meeting." and you did and I'm going to tell you when you wouldn't remember, but I don't think you know the punchline to the story and I think you'll get a kick out of it. So, we're at the Academy Awards, Kristen and I. I've never been. And I go to take a squirt and I'm coming back and she knows you're my number one.

101:11 And I'm I'm coming back to the seat. You're like three rows ahead of us. We're coming back to the seat and as I'm getting close to her, she's she's mouthing something to me. And I'm like, what? And I hear, "He's talking to you." And I go, "What do I remember? He's talking to you." And I'm like, "What? Brad Pitt's talking to me." And I [ __ ] turn around and you're standing up and you go, "We loved your movie, right?"

101:41 And you're talking about hit and run, but I kind of lo I lose my [ __ ] I don't really remember that I've directed a movie at that point. I'm just like, "Oh, thank you." And you're like, "Yeah, we loved it. It was so nice." You know, you see people up on screen, you still recognize your people, you know what I mean? And I'm doing 100% of the driving in that movie. And you know, as someone who does these things, like I'm in shots you can't be in unless you're sideways.

102:06 Also, just a down home more country vibe that you just recognize your people in Ireland, New Zealand, on screen. So, you're standing up at the Academy Awards shouting to me, "We loved your movie." So, then I sit down and this is the punch line you don't know about. The second after you said that, the very next thing that happened was they started the immemoriam portion of the Awards, right? Oh, no. And I'm sitting down and I'm like this.

102:36 I'm so happy. I'm so happy that Kristen goes, "Honey, stop [ __ ] smiling. It's the immemor part. I was and I couldn't not like talk about things I also want the outtakes of. Like if there's any camera on me during that immemoriam, you almost got him cancelled. I could have been escorted out of the business. I've never been happier watching this group of dead people be celebrated. So that was the um punch line that you missed from that [ __ ] I love that [ __ ] I love I love the the big fails. I love it.

103:11 Yeah. Um, I'm I'm so grateful that you did this. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it, dude. I I so appreciate what you guys do. And I'm This is the one I got to I got to I didn't have a choice, did I? You did not. No. I mean, we've been talking about wheels since I mean, I think it enters every conversation we ever had. That's awesome. Something about wheels. It's inexhaustible. F1 is out June 27th.

103:35 Don't listen to me cuz I wouldn't trust me. I love everything with engines that you put gas in. But um Kristen, listen to Kristen. Kristen [ __ ] loved it. And and it's [ __ ] titties. It's [ __ ] titties. Put it on the poster. You can quote me. It can be on the poster. It's [ __ ] titties. Dak Shepard. All right, brother. See you soon. All right. Thank you both. Love you. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank god Monica's here. She's going to let him have the facts.

104:07 We had a fun run in this weekend. Yeah, we did. Delta and Aaron and I went over to Mustard Seed Cafe. That's a cafe nearby, which I've recently become all renewed obsessed with. Yep. Cuz they got a they got a dish for me in there that is it couldn't be more perfect. Describe broccoli, egg whites. I add capers. Oh. So, broccoli, egg whites with capers scramble. Yeah. Okay. Turkey patty on the side. This is all one dish, you know, one plate, right? But is isn't is the egg on top of the patty separate?

104:41 Everything's separated on one plate. And I get this Romelad sauce, which I don't know if I'm saying that correctly, but I have a whole history with this, which is I thought they made just a special sauce at that place that was their signature proprietary sauce and I was obsessed with it. And then I was there recently and she said, "Oh, we just ran the like somehow she said like the bottle just ran out." And I was like, "Oh, they're buying it." So then I went home and I searched. That's a popular Cajun sauce. Do you know about rumalad?

105:08 Remulad. Yeah, they have one at Houston's. Oh, it's got horseradish in it. Some kind of stuff that I think is fishy, but I I don't focus on that. Sure. Probably anchovi. I think tartar sauce. Tart or Yeah, there's just maybe some cocktail type sauce vibes. Does cocktail sauce have fish in it or just you combine it with fish so often that I've associated it with? combine it. But it does have horseradish often, but no fish in it.

105:36 It might have anchovi. A lot of things that are tasty have anchovi. You wouldn't know it, though. Earmark that. Ian McGregor on his motorcycle show, he eats so much fish paste, and I'm just like, he's so much He's so much more manly than me. I can't eat fish paste. I want you to try it. I Nothing sounds worse to me than fish. I already don't like fish in it original form. That's what you think. Remember we talked about this on a previous episode where you've been to a restaurant and you were like, I don't like any of these things and then you like it.

106:08 Yeah. Yeah. French laundry. If if the French Laundry had a fish paste, I would try it. But they're getting it at a gas station in a tube and they're gobbling it up. Anyways, Ramlot sauce. Ordered it. It was great. I'm there getting that wonderful breakfast. I think it's called the lean plate there. Mhm. And um I see you and your tall gentleman friend Jess stroll by. You passed through frame. Yeah. I'm facing the window. Okay. You were inside.

106:36 Yeah. Eating. And I said, "Delt money just walked by." And so she ran out and flagged you down. Ran out. It was such a fun pop out. By then I was past I was at Maru. I was tempted to also run out, but then I had this thing where it's like it was we had already eaten. I I really felt like it was gonna look like we were running out of the check. Dine and Dash. Dine and Dash. Uh there's another couple good terms for it. But of course that they wouldn't have thought that because I'm a regular customer there and they know I'm a nice person. But anyways, that that stopped me. But then you guys were in route to the protest.

107:11 Yeah, we went to the rally in Los Felis on Saturday. No kings rally. No kings. But definitely short kings. We'll get to that. No, not if they're trying to be monarchs. No, just I like all the boys that have been getting short king love. So you guys are still good. Um not Napoleon. See, yeah, he took it too far. Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't just getting some dates. He wanted to take over the world. So then I said, "Where did they say they were at? Let's go look."

107:41 And then in route to there, we saw you guys. We shouted at you. You were probably already on edge because you were going to a protest and you thought the cops were there. Yeah, we had a very fun run in and you guys looked so excited and Yeah, we were excited. It all happened very fast. Okay, tell me. I told I think also on the last fact check maybe or a couple fact checks ago, I was saying that I've been pretty overwhelmed by social media.

108:08 Yeah. So, I was I kind of wasn't paying much attention to it. Um, and so I didn't know I didn't know there was like a bit a day where the country was protesting Trump's birthday. Yeah. You would only find out on social media, right? I would I mean I don't I also didn't you don't watch the news. Exactly. Yeah. So, um, Jess texted me in the morning or he texted me and he said there's a no kings rally happening in Los Filas right now.

108:37 And I was like, we should go. And I was already on my walk. Oh, okay. Great. So it worked out per he was like, "Okay, let me just like finish a couple things." And then next thing he knew, two minutes later, I was at his door. Knock knock knock. And he said, "Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I guess we're where we are going." Yes. And so he put on his sunscreen and his tall socks. Uhhuh. Yeah. And off we went. And we walked there and we ran into you and it was a lovely run in. And it was so It was so so fun to Can you pause for one second, right? Yeah.

109:13 So, it's almost as if I planned that. Planned the whole rally? No, just now you had to step out because there was a dog barking a lot. Yes. It is almost as if I planned that cuz I I have a I want to talk about something about dogs. Oh, okay. Okay. But first, let's finish up the rally. So, I thought maybe like farted while I was gone or something. No, it feels like a great place to meet a lover.

109:36 I mean, sure, like-minded people. I I could see that, but that really wasn't on our mind. had a good party vibe. Like I drove through it. It had It was Yeah. It felt very much like a parade kind of a vibe. It did. And that was one thing about it that I will comment on. It was very um heartwarming. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it felt like. As we were driving through, there's also so much to look at. There's so many signs.

110:00 Everyone's got to put a spin on there. I know. There's some fun ones. There was really fun ones there. It was really There were some we disagreed with. Okay. What did you disagree with? Well, we said one of them it was this man had done a very a beautiful oil painting of Trump and it said this man has never had a friend. Oh. And I said, "Well, that's that's he's assuming quite a bit. He seems to know a lot about that." And then we were then we were making up signs the three of us of stuff like you couldn't really know like he stubbed his toe in second grade on the way to the pool. Well, that was your your claim that you knew.

110:40 Yeah. Um I And then there was really clever. There was So there were really really funny ones. A lot of plays on the word ice, which I found very very fun. I did really like the one that was that said, "You were worried about the cost of eggs, but what about the cost of ice?" Oo. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. There were some great ones. a lot of dictator but d i c k. Oh, sure. That's a fun one.

111:08 That's fun. Yeah. Anyway, it everyone got playful. Everyone got really playful and it was a it was a happy environment there. It was a it was em it was kind of emotional like there were some um people, you know, there was this like young boy with this like Mexican flag and it was really sweet. It was very it's like yeah, that's what we're doing this for. And Um anyway, uh it was heartwarming and I'm really really glad that we went.

111:37 Yeah. And what I also like about it is it's not it's not for the per like it's it's to show up and say we don't like what's going on. It's not active in that like it's not a vote, you know, that's what really is going to make a difference, but it it's solidarity and it's like look, you're not alone. Yeah. people are here to support you. Yeah. Whatever. So anyway, it was lovely. We did that and then we went to the Beverly Hills Hotel and had a martini.

112:10 Wonderful. Very, very classy of you. Uh-huh. Um, okay. Now, pivoting. Yes. Dogs. You know, I've taken a break from speaking ill of dogs. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Cuz people don't like it. No, they hate it. And I know. I get it. Like I get that you love your dogs, but I have a I had a I had a resurgence of annoyance for them this weekend and it was a one-two punch. Okay, so I'm so sorry. I just thought of a very funny analogy.

112:44 Oh man, you like Chappelle just couldn't stay away from trans kept just pulling even when he was saying I know it's not going to be about trans and then it is and he knows like this isn't going to go well. Yes. and he just he can't resist. Yeah, that's how I feel. So, I almost texted you Saturday night because I need you to pass along a really important message for me. Okay. To Amy Polar. Okay. Okay. Babers.

113:11 Babers. Aka Babers. Aka Babers. Amy has an awesome podcast, new podcast, newish, uh, called Good Hang. And she had Dakota Johnson on her podcast who you're obsessed with. People should know. I am currently a bit obsessed with Dakota Johnson. I've been going down real rabbit holes. It started because obviously I do watch a lot of not obviously, but I watch a lot of Vogue videos. No, obviously it was the right word.

113:42 Yeah, I watch a lot of Vogue videos and there's a lot of like get ready for this red carpet or get ready for this whatever. Yeah. So, I'm served a lot of that content. So, I was served Dakota Johnson getting ready for can. Okay. And I love her the dress she wore. It's a Gucci dress. Pink fringe, sequined, silk, gorgeous. Okay. Uhhuh. So, I was obsessed with the dress. So, I was like watching that and then once that happened, it's all I'm getting.

114:11 Autoload. Yes. And then I saw a Vanity Fair. Is she Melanie Griffith and Johnson's daughter? Yes. Okay. And she um she notoriously is has kind of wild press Oh. uh tours. Oh, I didn't know this. Yes, she she has some controversial press tours. Political opinions or like Okay, so she was in Madame Web and it was like a whole thing because she was pretty much [ __ ] on it the whole time.

114:47 What's Madame Web? It was some movie. It was a movie. Superhero. Superhero. Okay. And she did a bad job speaking favorably about the product. Correct. And it was a whole thing. And I I will So she's a liability on a press. I will be honest. During the Madam Web thing, I was like I just think if you're in a movie, it's part of your job. You got paid to be in that movie. You got to It's too late. You got Sometimes they turn out good, sometimes they turn out bad.

115:13 You kind of got to stand by it. Unless you were like abused or something. Sure. You got to go down with the ship. Yeah. So anyway, so I had this idea about her based on Madam Web and Callie loves Dakota Johnson. Okay, great. And Dakota is her kind of girl crush. Yeah. And and I was always like, I don't really get it. And now I get it. Now I totally get it. Okay. And I have been wanting to get her on this show because of my new obsession with her.

115:43 Yeah. Also because I saw a Vanity Fair lie detector test she did and she doesn't know a lot like she that I found interesting. Like she didn't they slid a picture of Alex Earl and also Alex Cooper. Ding ding ding. Alex Cooper's episode came out today. Great episode. Uh great conversation. Anyway um she didn't know who they were but she was like oh for Alex Earl she was like oh is it call her daddy. Okay. And they were like, "No." And then they showed that picture and she was like, "This is a different person." Like she didn't she doesn't know a lot about pop culture. Great. I find all this kind of interesting.

116:23 Yes. And it feels authentic to you. Yeah. It does feel authentic to me. Um and anyh who, so I've been sort of obsessed with her and I've been I've been trying to get her on. It can't happen. And all of a sudden, I see her pop up on Good Hang. Oh, okay. So, I have mixed feelings about this, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be honest. I was like, "Fuck." Yeah, sure. I wanted her. Yeah. But I love Amy, so of course, next best thing.

116:50 Yeah. And I I turn it on and um Dakota has her dog with her Tokyo. Very very cute dog. Yeah. But this interview is happening. Oh, and I will say she Dakota said she has never done a podcast. That was her first podcast ever. She doesn't she's kind of never heard of a podcast until that point. Afraid of them and she felt she'd be safe with neighbors. Yeah. Anyway, the dog was really taking up a lot of the conversation for the first chunk and I could feel talking about the dog or the dog was being rambunctious and they were having to corral he or she.

117:31 Mainly talking about the dog. talking about the dog, but the dog was like drinking water out of the cup and then they had to address that the dog was drinking water out of the cup. You know, it was just very dog centered. Yes. Yes. And Amy said, you know, she has a no dogs at work policy. Oh, she does. That must be very controversial. And I have I mean, I I didn't think I could love her more, but my god, did I feel so seen and and loved. I felt love.

118:03 Wow. Okay, great. And I want you to tell her that. I'll tell her that. Please um pass along the message that I felt stressed on her behalf that the dog was and it wasn't anyone's fault. Especially not the dog's fault. Yeah. He's not supposed to be at a podcast. He's supposed to be in the woods. Correct. He was really cute actually. Yeah. He won me over. Whatever it Tokyo was commandeering the conversation and I could feel like if that was us I would be a little like you'd lose it.

118:36 We need this dog to get out of here. Yeah, cuz you get there. There's Tokyo. Oh, wonderful. Tokyo looks like a puppy. Like if she also she brought a puppy. I think and actually to be fair Tokyo was very well behaved. Tokyo just fell asleep in her lap pretty quickly after that sipping of the water. Wow. Anywh who, so I uh I just really respect Amy's policy. Oh. And um and then God, I'm going to get in trouble for this.

119:06 That's okay. From my friend, so I feel bad, but I I have to say it morally. You feel obligated. I do. I'm watching this on Sunday. I feel like Amy's a hero for handling Tokyo so well, but also stating her boundary, but not sticking by her boundary. It's mixed. Yeah. And she gets a C on that part. I go to Anna's house and Anna has a dog who we love, Mona. Mona, we love Mona.

119:37 Just saying this morning, I wish Mona was my dog. Mona is a great dog. Mhm. And Jess and I went over there to see she got a new apartment. We were going to see her new apartment and we were going to go on a walk. And as we were getting ready to go, I was like, "Is Mona coming?" Because I could sense that Mona was going to come with us. Okay. And um last time we went out, she also came.

120:01 Uhhuh. And I I I'm very hyper aware when we're out at a restaurant and we have Mona. Also, Mona's huge. Mona's gigantic. Yeah. Yeah. She's a And she's in people's biz. Yeah. She's like a puppy. She thinks she's a puppy. Yeah. But she's a big girl. Like a horse. Look, we are in LA. A lot of people are like totally fine standard. People are fine with it. But I'm like, Mona is in that person's lap and they're trying to eat and they're strangers. So, I already had this last week and then here we are again with the dark. Well, I think it is Mona, by the way. I think the same offender.

120:37 It is. Yeah. That was barking. It is. Yeah. Cuz Anna brings Mona to work. Yeah, I know. Okay. So, so then we're But I love Mona. I love cuz Anna was really nervous that to bring Mona to work cuz I cuz of me and it took me telling her like a thousand times like I love Mona. I don't mind. I know. You've been very kind. I keep thinking like what if someone has an allergy and then at one point Mona got on the seat. Even if you're not allergic, you might not want to step over a dog. you might not want to sit on dog hair. And she did get up on the furniture and then someone did come over and say like we can't have her on the furniture. And I I you know as someone who is a rule follower in general and I think maybe that's play I don't want attention.

121:28 That's really what it all is. It's all about attention. I don't want attention for something that I fundamentally feel like we're getting in pe we are in people's way. I conveniencing people. Yeah, I really don't like inconveniencing people. It feels selfish. Well, it's very tricky for the dog owner because a huge percentage of the city loves it. They genuinely love it. Kristen's happier when she runs into a dog at a restaurant or she's got to step over one. Like, it improves her day.

121:58 But she doesn't bring her dogs out. Nope. Ours are [ __ ] so they would bite people. But, uh, we used to bring Lola around. Lola was cool to take to a restaurant and stuff if we were going to sit outside at like ding ding ding mustard seed. She ate there a lot. For the dog owner, they're running into tons of people that are so excited to meet their dog. And then the people who aren't don't enjoy it are not saying anything, nor should they.

122:24 Why? See, this is what's unfair. Well, I'll tell you why. Because it's small. you have the choice and overall you should go things giving this group of people a lot of joy. I don't like it. I can live with it. I think I think it's definitely the aspirational version is to just let it be without it bothering you. I think Buddhism I can't get you but maybe Buddhism it feels unfair to me. So I recognize they they might not be fully aware of how much people but but but I would urge the people you have to acknowledge you're bringing an animal somewhere like the the restaurants and our transport they were designed for humans.

123:11 You throw a there's not like parking for dogs at restaurants under the table. Exactly. Yeah. Or on podcasts and stuff or at work if you're aiming. Although we got to be honest, we loved having Nico. I know, but Nico, that's a different thing. Nico service dog. No, Rob. No, this is also It's like everyone's just calling them service dogs. That's crazy. You know what my service need is? No barking.

123:43 No dogs and barking. And funny. Listen. Yes. at the aforementioned thing. These two So, one person with a freaking boxer, another with a pitbull, and they're they're both insisting the dogs are nice. They're not nice. They get into a fight in the doorway. They're all barking and causing a scene and making people sort of trip and like I don't I don't I'm fine with it, I guess. I mean, I'm not, but I am. I have to be in this world. But I want some instead of me being the enemy, I'd love some acknowledgement that like people who don't like dogs are constantly just dealing with dogs.

124:20 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the time in LA for sure. And they don't get to say anything or they're bad. I don't know what it's like other places. I feel like LA would would trend towards the liberal. Definitely. Maybe crazies used to be like Portland, like where you I imagine. Yeah. They're like up on the counter. Yeah. Yeah. Like they you they get seated and everyone's got their Well, you said that you went to a pet. Peter.

124:50 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I picked up food and delivered to a dog recently. Yeah. For my other job. Oh, this is outrageous. You want to hear about Father's Day? Yeah. you know, um the tradition at this house is on Mother's Day, moms get to have a spa day and the dads take the kids away. So, you're pretty much in our house, I think in our pod, if it's your father's day or your mother's day, you get an indulgent day.

125:17 Yes. Right. Yep. So, mine was we had just had a guest on. It's one of my funniest favorite moments we've had. back to me loving being embarrassed. It's a male guest and myself. We come upon the topic of the Godfather and then we start the male guest and I start talking about Godfather and now we're starting to explain to you some things about Godfather and it hit me all at once. I was like, "Oh my god, we're Ken from Barbie."

125:49 Yeah. Oh my god, was that funny? It was so We already have been made fun of about it. I know. And we still did it. You couldn't stop yourself. Oh my god, I think that's so funny. Very funny. So then um I decided, oh, I am in the mood to watch Godfather. I haven't in 15 or 20 years. Yeah. We made a group plan to watch it with this guest who doesn't live in this city, so it's going to take some real planning.

126:16 Yes. Um and but you couldn't wait, so you had to watch it on Father's Day. Well, and I would watch it again next week for sure if everyone wants to get together. Uh but yes, I had um two other fathers over and we I ordered a ton of Italian food. Oh, nice. Really good Italian food. And uh watch Godfather and it was a blast. Both. No, no, that was the goal. Can't be done. It It's like 3 hours long. And we were pausing to go make plates and we were making a lot of jokes. It was very fun.

126:46 Good. Um but then it was kind of early on the earlier side. It's five. I still have a bunch of leverage. They're basically like, "What do you want to do, Dad?" And I said, "Well, um, if if everyone's up for it, I I would want everyone to be up for it. I would love to watch a movie together as a family." Let's grab something from the kids list. I keep a list in my phone. Kids movies, Romancing the Stone, these movies that I I know they'll like.

127:15 Yeah. Oh. Oh, Pirates of the Caribbean. That was recently. And so I said to the family, "So yeah, something off the kids list." So I was thinking either um Rocky or Smokey and the Bandit. And Chris goes, "When did Rocky get on the kids movie list?" Uhhuh. And I was like, "Oh, I added it." Sure. Because we were watching Friday Night Lights and I was like, "Oh yeah, these sports stories are really simple. You know what the goal is and you know the stakes." Yeah.

127:43 And Rocky was either one best pitcher. It was certainly nominated for best pitcher. It's like an incredible movie. Do we all watch Rocky? It is a great movie. Yeah. Great. Yeah. There's so much cool stuff about it. The fact that he You know the whole story behind Rocky? Um Yeah. He paid for the movie. No, he he he had been on He was completely penniles. He wanted to play Rocky and he turned down a million dollars in 1974 for a screenplay.

128:09 And do you know why I know that? A boy. Goodwill Hunting. Oh, they reference that. Oh, they do. So, you're watching this guy that really gambled it all and it worked out and it worked out like as big as could work out. He was the biggest star for 15 or 20 years. Uh but anyways, I felt like I really I was facetiming with my father-in-law and when I told him what the day was, Godfather, and now we're watching um Rocky, he just started laughing so hard and I said, "My powers are so strong today, aren't they? I've convinced everyone to watch Rocky. Good Father's Day.

128:49 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did the kids like it? They They did. They loved it. Yeah. They really really loved it. Um there's weird stuff. There's really compelling stuff you have to talk about as a family, which I loved because Have you ever seen it? I don't think so. He's not smart. This is one of the things I like about it. Like he wrote himself this role and it's so not vain. Like Rocky is a simple guy. He has to carry his combination to his locker that he's had for six years in his hat written on a piece of paper. Like he's very simple.

129:17 Yeah. And Adrian works at a pet shop and she's like morbidly shy. Okay. And and Rocky knows her brother and he keeps trying to date her. He keeps going to the the uh pet store and she's just too shy to deal with it. And um he eventually goes on a date with her and then they they have this date and then he's they're at his house and he's like, "Come and sly." And she's like, "No, I don't want to come inside, Rocky." He's like, "Come on, come inside. Come inside. You're going to like it." And it she says no like six times, right?

129:49 Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. So, you're watching this with your kids and you're like, "Wow, well that this wouldn't be a scene today. Just start there." Yep. And so, she says no, she says no, she says no. Then she says yes. Then she comes in and then she wants to leave and he doesn't want her to leave. And at this point, we we now pause to talk about this. Mhm. And I said, "So, number one, a woman should never go into a place she doesn't want to go into. She should not have to. Number two, any guy who would not listen to a woman say no three times and keep pushing her to come in is off the table." Is a no no.

130:25 Great. Three, she is morbidly shy. She's not going to get to this point ever if some uh super assertive man doesn't come in and invite her to cross her fear. Mhm. And in her total life, that's also maybe what she needed for her life. Isn't that complex? What do we do with that reality? Mhm. It's complex, but it is it's an invisible line, but it there is a line. And I think you gutturally know it.

131:04 It's just interesting because I said, you know, the analogy I gave them is like um Jackie did not Jackie was in love with our dog Glenn. We needed to get rid of Glenn. She was in love with him and would not take him because she had such commitment anxiety. Mhm. And I literally at one point had to shove him in her hands and I shut the door and locked it and said, "You're taking him home for the night."

131:27 I made this story complicated actually. And it's the love of her life. She thanked me a bunch of times for forcing her to take it. And I knew what would happen the second she got the dog home. That's the part It's the part I knew that is complicated. Yeah. And because you hope you're a good judge know, you know what I mean? You you were in that case, right? Yeah. But there is no knowing about what a person will or won't. So do you do you risk never helping the nine people that are that that you're right about to prevent the one person you're wrong about?

132:07 I actually think yeah. Personally, I think if Jackie is going to let the commitment issue derail her life, it's not really on you to change it. It's not. But we're we're we are we're attracted innately to people that we think can get us someplace that can benefit us. Uh sure. Like you know like a lot of betas are they're super attracted to alphaness because that they desire someone who doesn't have decision anxiety.

132:39 Yeah. But that's different from fromcing you to make a decision. You might you can be attracted to someone's self assuredness and confidence and their ability to make decisions and that is attractive if you aren't good at that. I don't think I I think. Um, but that then then it crossing over on to you is where that is different to me because I think if you're attracted to that, what ends up happening is you sort of take some of it on by osmosis like you like it.

133:07 You're seeing it modeled and it looks cool. It looks good. You start, you know, you start trying those pieces on. Yeah. But the forcing is where things get muddy for me. Right. And then you're talking about the like the nuance between forcing and pushing. Yeah. There's like there there's a difference in my mind between forcing and pushing. Like people do some people want to be pushed.

133:40 Yeah. They want to be helped and pushed in a direction. Do they want to be forced? They don't have a decision. No, I don't think so. But I do think people seek out people they know will push them. Some people love coaches. Like I'm not this type of person, but there are people that love being coached, love being pushed and yelled at and the whole nine. That's not me. Yeah. I think it God though it's so dependent on the person.

134:05 Well, it's dependent on the outcome because like for Adrian, she undoubtedly would if you asked her, she would go, "Thank God he made me come inside and thank God he didn't let me leave." Cuz it worked out because Yeah. She would have never ever come out of her her shell unless someone drugg her out. And then she's she was so happy and love Rocky so much. That's comp that's wonderfully complicated. Very complicated. Yes. I love it. Like what a fun thing to hear their opinions about.

134:35 Yeah. Yeah. So it delivered in a lot of ways. Great. That's fun. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you had a good Father's Day. Oh, thank you. Me, too. Fathers are fun. Yeah, they can be. talked to my dad on Father's Day. Doing good. Was he spoiling himself? No, he he had exercised when I called him. He exercises every day. Oh, good. He's very disciplined. Yeah, extremely disciplined. What's his chosen exercise? What do you think?

135:05 Naps. He doesn't nap. I've never seen him nap in my entire life. What do I think? Knowing me, jogging. Walking. Walking. Yeah. He goes on long walks. Plotter. PL outside and on the treadmill. Mhm. Well, I like dads. Yeah, me too. Uh, you want to do some facts? Sure. Let's do it. [Music] Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare.

135:35 [Music] Wow. Wow. Brad Pitt facts. Who would have thought that sentence could possibly come out of my mouth? I'm a little scared for us. Like we'll die. Yeah. Just like it's too good. Yeah. Life's too good. This is some suspiciously good. There's some real suspicious stuff because that day, the day we recorded Brad, we also recorded an episode super suspicious that it happened to be on that day. The subject matter. And I'm not going to say what it is yet, but when that comes out, you're going to protect.

136:15 Okay, fine. It's on the simulation. It's on the sim. Guys, what are the odds that the day that we have the sim then BP walks in? Your dad's getting playful. I don't know if he's getting playful or if we are going to die and he's like, "Let's give him a lot of good stuff before they die. Let's go out big. Let's throw pit their way. Let's throw a talking about this. I'm getting scared talking about it." What a dream. What a dream.

136:37 I said it to you. I've said it a couple times. I want to say it in public. I appreciated you so much in that interview. You were you did the perfect job. Um I was just really really grateful for the way you just handled the whole 2hour Bachnalia. Thank you. There were moments where you could feel that I probably value being on his good side enough that maybe there's like a next emotional question I would normally follow up with that I was incapable of at times.

137:11 Yeah. And right as I was thinking like, "Oh, I should ask that. I can't I'm afraid to ask that." Then you would come It was It was It was every time I ever thought that, you immediately kind of were there to do that. Oh, that's nice. And that was awesome. you also were like um you knew it was a big day for me. I could see the generosity in your spirit and then also you would click out of it and go like no time to make the donuts and you'd make the donuts and you'd hang back and then and then beyond actually all that stuff that was for me selfishly I was filled with such joy sincerely that the little girl that was afraid to talk in front of Mike Shure was sitting across from Brad Pitt and letting it rip.

137:57 Yeah. I just felt so proud of you and happy for you. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. We've come a really long way. We really have. You were so confident. I just was really happy for how confident you were. Well, BTS, um, you had [ __ ] yourself three or four times. Yeah. I had already unloaded. Um, no, I had a whole morning, you know, where I had to talk to myself, you know, steady yourself. Yes. about expectations and knowing it was him and knowing that there was a chance that I really wasn't going to it's hard to that I I might not be able to say much. I could feel myself when I would think about that getting upset.

138:48 Yeah. Like I should be able to say stuff and I am going to I'm big enough. Yeah. And I'm going to do it. Um, but also I'm not like he I doubt there's going to be space and how will I how you know and it was starting to happen and then I had to really like take a second and and and say like this is a big this is such a big deal for us, not just you, for us as a show. And it's kind of like the thing. It's kind of like before Matt Damon when me and you were in a fight and you said, "Don't let this fight [ __ ] up your big day get in the way of this moment."

139:30 Yeah. Yeah. And you need to be present for this moment. Yeah. And I I've sort of circled back to that like this is just a big day for us and it is a big marker of the show and it's something to be proud of regardless of what I singularly do. M um so and just enjoy it and be excited and and also because I guess you know making not having space was highly possible because this is your dream guest.

140:07 This is what you've sort of been looking forward to for seven and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys h also have a short hand. You know each other. Mhm. Um kind of it would have made kind of kind of. So anyway, I was then very very grateful that it did not feel like that at all. It felt like there was plenty of space for me. It did not feel like you were like if I spoke you were like messing up.

140:34 Yeah. We're off story. I have a whole arc plan. Yeah. Well, I was having my own ruminations in the morning as one would have and I Yeah. My thing was like uh you got to prioritize the audience and not you. Cuz recently I did prioritize me hanging with a guest and we left and I was like I could have I could have gotten a lot more out of that person. That would have been more rewarding for the audience but I was definitely I have prioritized my own experience.

141:08 I was like so we can't do that today. Dax Dax Shepard. Yeah. Yeah, I had a whole laundry list. I had at that point I'd watched enough interviews with him. I saw him and Adam Sandler talking for an hour and a half and what I saw immediately is like he is so [ __ ] allergic to you saying he's good and stuff like he just doesn't like it. Yep. Oh, I got to get through two hours with this guy and not fawn over him. Like that's a deal breaker cuz I had a lot of deal breakers going in.

141:34 Sure. Yeah. Well, it went but and I'll I'll just I'll credit and thank him. He showed up like so cash, feeling good and he he put us at ease nicely. Yeah, he really did. He's such a nice guy. He is. And it was great. And we all had fun. We had a ton of fun. That's all we can ask. Yeah. I wanted him to stay forever, but he had to carry on and promote him way past the amount of time we were supposed to. And yeah, that was another thing I was I was like I was juggling in my head. I'm like 90 minutes. I don't know. I'm going to have to read him and see if he's cool going over. Boy, did we blow by that 90.

142:13 We didn't look back. Kept on going. Um, okay. The one thing that I So, before he came, we were getting kind of worked up into a lather. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like really feeling Well, and well, this will remain a mystery. So, I text him like 14 minutes before he was to arrive. Hey, this is the gate code if you want to just pull right in. Yeah. And then he wrote like bueno. Yeah. And then he wrote, "Oh, is that today?"

142:44 And I wrote, "Haha." But then I'm like, "I don't know if that's haha." I know. We don't know. We don't know. Yep. But suffice to say, we did have 10 minutes while we were waiting for him to get here where we were just sitting Yeah. waiting to do the thing we've been thinking about all day long. And for me, 3 weeks maybe. Yeah. Our whole lives. Yes. Yes. But so then when he walked in, you you went out and you got him and then you guys walked in and I, you know, I get up to go introduce myself and this part's embarrassing. I was going to cut it, but I left it so people can see it if they want to. Um, I like stuck my hand out to shake his hand and he his hands were like full.

143:28 I missed that part. So he like had to like kind of put down his coffee and he had and he was like, "Oh, my hands are wet." And so I but I just had my hand out straight. You weren't moving it for the whole time all this was happening. And I thought, "Put your hand." But then you'll have to put it back up. So just leave it. Oh yeah. This is the stress. And then I yelled at you for not hugging him.

143:53 You did? I think that's in there. I didn't even hear that. No, that was with another Another heart throb. But then you hugged him at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then you hugged Brad at the end, too. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so that was bad. That was the worst part, the handout. Rough start. Yep. But then it then was fine. Yeah. Benny was just a regular old boy. What did you say though? You said something. Then you go, "Oh, this is off the wrong on the wrong foot."

144:22 But you came hot. You came hot. What was it? No, I said I said I stepped in it already. Yeah. Do you remember what it was about? Yes, I do. And actually, it leads into my first fact. Okay. So, the first fact is you asked if he was wearing a waffle. Oh, waffle shirt. He's wearing his brand, God's True Cashmere, which you're also wearing. And I actively did not wear I have the shorts. They're so cute.

144:47 Um, and I actively did not wear that. But, uh, that's like when I was with Gwennneth and like I didn't wear Goop on purpose. Um, it's that move. Yeah, your famous move. It's like one of my moves. So, he's wearing I'm pretty sure. So, I'm on the site right now and I think he's wearing the Cerulean milange cashmere shirt. It is not a ruffle a ruffle. It's not a waffle. Okay, I think that's the one. It's either that one or the azour cashmere shirt.

145:28 Now, no one's going to like this. Both of those are sold out. Ah, yeah. Anyway, if you want to look like me, my shorts are the I love the origin story of God's true cashmere. Emerald dot cashmere surf short is what I have and it is so cute. What happened is he was telling the explanation of God's true cashmere and I said you said oh I thought like I think the assumption is it's you that you're the god.

145:59 He was like what he did not like that. No I was like well I know he hates compliments if he gets told he's god but it was but it was I thought it was sweet because his shock and horror that he would do something like that that anyone would think that was actually very endearing. I agree. So, it was worth it. And I did think that. And I just had to be honest. I appreciate your honesty. I did not think that.

146:25 Well, for whatever reason, you were right for once. Um he mentioned um that maybe Robert Downey Jr. was wearing a zoot suit. Mhm. And because you said weird science. Yeah. But actually the term zoots suit is primarily associated with Robert Downey Senior's film Greaser's Palace about zootsuit guys I guess. Do you know about zoot suits? It says he didn't wear a zoot suit in weird science.

146:57 Do you know what a zoot suit is? Yeah. Okay. Right. And like LA gangsters wore zoot suits. Yeah. We learned about them. I don't know why in college. The suits were first associated with African-Americans in communities such as Harlem, Chicago, and Detroit in the 30s, but were made popular nationwide by jazz and jump blues musicians in the 40s. Okay. In the movie adaptation, the ghost orchid. The ghost orchid is the flower. It says the film uses the idea of finding your flower, your soulmate or passion as a metaphor for life's journey.

147:32 That's an incredible movie. I don't know when the last time you watched that is. I don't know if I've ever seen it. It's exceptional. But what's so great is in the same way I love Fall Guy, it's like acknowledging the meta reality that they're in a movie, making a movie, trying to figure out the story of the movie. It's just so satisfying. Yes. And he is reading this very famous writing book, How to called Story. The most famous screenwriting book there is. It's like the Bible. Oh, is it like Save the Cat?

148:05 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, he is struggling to write a script about this orchid hunter and the movie is about him trying to figure out how to write this script. And he has a twin brother who's like a hack and he goes to a story book convention. Oh. And he's like, "Oh, it's so easy to write." And he's like getting stuff sold. Oh. And it's like it's it's talking about all the rules in story as it's breaking the rules in story which is really fun.

148:36 That is great. Yeah. It's very very meta in the most satisfying way. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Okay. Um the Harlem Globe Trotters. The original Harlem Globe Trotters founded in 1926. Best I guess he didn't meet the original. Exactly. That's what I'm unfortunately. He needs he needs to know. Although he mentioned Curly and Curly's in this mix and he's from 1942, born in 1942. I think I mentioned Curly and I think the characters recycled. I think new basketball players came in, but these roles that the Harlem Globe Trotters had, I think they might have recycled.

149:13 What? No, his name is Curly Neil. Yeah. And I when I was a kid, there was a Curly as well that was in the Harlem Globe Trotters. I'm pretty sure it said the first lineup included players like Walter Tootses Wright, Bri Byron Fat Long, Willis Kid Oliver, Andy Washington, and Al Runt Pollins. There's nothing in there about the character. Curly Neil. Yeah, I think there was only one. Okay, it's weird. I knew that one. Played for 22 seasons.

149:45 Sweet Lou Dunbar. Well, I think I know Sweet Lou. I think he maybe mentioned Sweet Lou. Mainly Curly and Sweet Lou and a bunch of others. They were kind of gone by the time you were on the scene. I've heard of them. Yeah. There would be ads all over when they came to your city. Be a big deal. They sell They did like tricks and stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. And they'd always played the same team and it's like big time wrestling but with basketball.

150:10 Yeah. Yeah. That's fun. Um that's it. That's everything. So Brad Pitt done. No. Wy. Not done yet. Not done yet. But hopefully Nick Cage still out there. Yeah, we have There's still We still got some We still got good old Tay. Yeah, she's always going to be on the hook. Jay-Z. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Thanks to all those people. Yeah. Thanks for keeping us going. Um, all right. Love you. Love you.