Dr. Drew Did The First Research On Celebrity Narcissism | Clips | Dad Saves America

0:00 - Well, let me tell you in this book, well, we did research, right? We have the only research on celebrities. No one could get access to enough celebrities to do research. I had someone come in the radio studio every night. So we would just, we would do these narcissistic inventories on them - And can I stop you and just ask, narcissistic inventory? - It's an, - What is that? - It's an old test. It's a forced choice, yes, no kind of question.

0:23 Or pick one of these two, and you're forced to pick one. There's like 30 questions or 35 questions, and how you answer it has high predictive value in terms of your probability of having narcissistic traits. - And it holds up? It's valid? - It is time, It's used for, this is 15 years ago, they're still using it. And it is a, it's not way of diagnosing a disorder, but it categorically is very good at, at showing traits and trends in narcissism.

0:50 - A movie star comes into the show, and you're like, before we start the conversation, please fill out this form? - Well, and sign a release or whatever. And they would all go, oh my God, this is great. I know I'm (silenced) up. I can't wait to be a part of this and tell me what I, what happens. Tell me what you find out, 'cause I know I'm a mess. Every single person said that. They were all interested in knowing why they're such a mess.

1:09 Now here's what we found, to your point about not having a skillset and being in media. - The Tila Tequila Explosions. - We found there. - This is now old news for like, my son probably doesn't even know who Tila Tequila is. - He has no idea, trust me. - Some Gen X stuff going on. - Yes, that's Gen X stuff. They found that people who went on reality shows, which was a new thing. It was just, you know, season two of Survivor when we were doing this.

1:37 But we met a lot of these people and tested a lot of them. And people that went on these reality shows had the, by far the highest probability of narcissistic issues, particularly the women. I dunno if that'll hold up today, but back then it was female. - So Omarosa on the Apprentice is worse than the biggest starlet in Hollywood? - Well, the real differentiation was, as opposed to people who had a skill set that maybe drove them to media and there was sort of narcissism in that.

2:06 But having a skillset like, I'm a journalist, I'm a news broadcaster, I'm a cellist, I'm a violinist. Those people had the lowest narcissism as compared to the reality show participants who were coming on because, hey, it's me. Of course you're gonna wanna watch me. It's me. And think about it back then, that's all reality was, right. People who were kind of, you know, having been involved with these shows since, they were selecting for that and they continue to do so by the way.

2:30 They select for personality disorders 'cause they are dramatic. I mean, what is human drama? What is human drama? What was Shakespeare? What was, what were the Greeks looking at? Sick people acting sick. Healthy people are not very interesting. What is it, Tolstoy that said that? Healthy families are all the same, and sick families are all different their way. And it's true. We don't, we're not interested in healthy people. We're interested in sick people I'm, that's why I spent all these years in psychiatric hospital.

2:54 I am fascinated by the human experience when it goes off the rails. - I'm gonna ask you an uncomfortable question. Did you take the test yourself and how did it score? - I had the exact same reaction that Howard Stern did. I scored rather low, but I thought, but that was after 10 years of therapy. I bet I would've scored quite a bit higher. Howard said the exact same thing. He said, if I hadn't had therapy, would not have been the same score.

3:15 And I think that's right.